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it does have one huge built in advantage, people have no choice and more people need it as they lose what they have

costs have skyrocketed for most, if it's not free and if you don't have a preexisting condition, so there are a few winners

at the end of the day, I can never be optimistic that a massive government bureaucratic program will ever work, think they're batting .000
 
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it does have one huge built in advantage, people have no choice and more people need it as they lose what they have

costs have skyrocketed for most, if it's not free and if you don't have a preexisting condition, so there are a few winners

at the end of the day, I can never be optimistic that a massive government bureaucratic program will ever work, think they're batting .000

Sky rocketed? I am sure some have, I know most people who have to pay more, mostly families. My question is this? With the way health care costs have skyrocketed across the board let's say past 20 years, Was health insurance too cheap before? Are we getting back to where we should be? I mean if there is a very large percentage of people not buying insurance let's say people under 40, then if the costs are super high where was the money coming from before the ACA? Health Care was a big mess before this, raising rates maybe the best way to lower expanding costs because there should be less bills stiffed in theory. The article says that health care provider costs or inflation are at it's lowest in 50 years. It makes sense to me that if there is 100% participation that costs would keep down, again i say in theory cause I don't trust anyone cause I think the industry (all those involved) will just find ways to get a bigger slice of the pie. This policy should focus on keeping the inflation low, then maybe in a year or two premiums will go down but like I said I don't trust any of them
 
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http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-...s-accomplishing-this-one-thing-165445642.html

Some interesting perceptions and points, I will do a little more research but there are some positives and little more tweaking and growing and who knows. I am optimistic

I am in the ACA is here to stay, let's make the best of it group. That said, I am young and healthy. ACA is not a good deal for me. I am now responsible for carrying a much greater portion of the burden of healthcare costs in this country. As long as you are okay with shifting the burden to young, healthy Americans, then, yes, this law will be a success. Now, before all of the ACA is a great crowd jumps down my throat, I'm not bitching just stating a fact that young, healthy Americans(especially males) are losers here.
 
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I am in the ACA is here to stay, let's make the best of it group. That said, I am young and healthy. ACA is not a good deal for me. I am now responsible for carrying a much greater portion of the burden of healthcare costs in this country. As long as you are okay with shifting the burden to young, healthy Americans, then, yes, this law will be a success. Now, before all of the ACA is a great crowd jumps down my throat, I'm not bitching just stating a fact that young, healthy Americans(especially males) are losers here.

I agree but I consider you are just banking it, a very very high percentage of us are going to consume high medical costs at some point in our lives. Now that I think of it, I don't know what young people have to pay in a lower bracket than me. I am a registered Nurse with one full time job and another easy side job I work one day a week at so you can figure about how much I make. If I were to use the exchange, my lowest premium would be $268 highest $414 or close to that but the coverage I would want would be $330, a little more than what my employer covers so for me it would of been affordable but if people are making 30 grand per year have to pay that then that would be too much, so i don't know.
 
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I agree but I consider you are just banking it, a very very high percentage of us are going to consume high medical costs at some point in our lives. Now that I think of it, I don't know what young people have to pay in a lower bracket than me. I am a registered Nurse with one full time job and another easy side job I work one day a week at so you can figure about how much I make. If I were to use the exchange, my lowest premium would be $268 highest $414 or close to that but the coverage I would want would be $330, a little more than what my employer covers so for me it would of been affordable but if people are making 30 grand per year have to pay that then that would be too much, so i don't know.

Yeah, I mean they've subsidized the cost of health care by forcing young people to buy unnecessary coverage through the essential benefits. I can't really complain, I'm fortunate enough to have solid healthcare through my employer and that isn't going to change.
 
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The one thing I don't understand on the Republican side, why aren't they happier that President Obama didn't go for a single payer? I heard all throughout the 2008 election that single payer was coming, but it didn't. I would think that should be a moderate win in their minds.
 
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The one thing I don't understand on the Republican side, why aren't they happier that President Obama didn't go for a single payer? I heard all throughout the 2008 election that single payer was coming, but it didn't. I would think that should be a moderate win in their minds.

I have come to realize that there are no wins.
 

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Sky rocketed? I am sure some have, I know most people who have to pay more, mostly families. My question is this? With the way health care costs have skyrocketed across the board let's say past 20 years, Was health insurance too cheap before? Are we getting back to where we should be? I mean if there is a very large percentage of people not buying insurance let's say people under 40, then if the costs are super high where was the money coming from before the ACA? Health Care was a big mess before this, raising rates maybe the best way to lower expanding costs because there should be less bills stiffed in theory. The article says that health care provider costs or inflation are at it's lowest in 50 years. It makes sense to me that if there is 100% participation that costs would keep down, again i say in theory cause I don't trust anyone cause I think the industry (all those involved) will just find ways to get a bigger slice of the pie. This policy should focus on keeping the inflation low, then maybe in a year or two premiums will go down but like I said I don't trust any of them

What I’m waiting for is someone, anyone, to prove they’ve saved $2500 with there new policy.
 

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I have come to realize that there are no wins.


:) kudos. Be like water .

Sounds like the ACA ain't going anywhere ? Amend , make changes as necessary . The angry folks? Just smile. They have choices . Make a difference , whine and bitch, move to Ukraine ...,,endless
 
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The President, who remember knows nothing about how insurance actually works, claiming it is "working" is meaningless. So I'm not sure why you posted that link.

Again I am glad you don't. I thought it had some interesting tidbits such as the president saying the republican party is basically resorting to anger much like this forum and I thought the info about health care inflation at an all time low of late was also interesting. Plus there were credible sources who provided info that the right seems to dispute.
 

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Fuvkin hilarious !!
 

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Note that the President, who again does not understand how insurance works, is actually implying that "health care spending has risen more slowly than at any other time in the past 50 years" has anything to do with the ACA and that means the "ACA is working"

And we have someone here who is suggesting that there are "credible sources" on this.

Or something.
 

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