johnnie 2 times - I can understand your lack of respect for people from other countries and I know it's hard not to hate people like Grantt and Lander but they don't know anyone on these boards just like we don't know anyone on these boards. The fact is if we all set down together we'd probably find out that we are not that different. It sounds like Grantt, and Lander hate all Americans. I don't know why. I'm not sure what the US has done to them personally. I would like to know but I have a feeling that they won't come up with anything.
I am still trying to figure out this whole racism thing. I don't see much purpose for it. It's like saying I hate all people with mustache's because Hitler had a mustache.
It doesn't make sense to me but I guess it does for some people.
All America does is try to help underprivileged people and nations who ask for our help and we get ripped. ??????
Oh well, what can you do. Some people will be racist and there is nothing you can do about it.
KMAN
I am still trying to figure out this whole racism thing. I don't see much purpose for it. It's like saying I hate all people with mustache's because Hitler had a mustache.
All America does is try to help underprivileged people and nations who ask for our help and we get ripped. ??????
Oh well, what can you do. Some people will be racist and there is nothing you can do about it.
KMAN
K-MAN that is correct, America helps underprivieged people and nations.But it is time to turn it UPSIDE down.
Forget that and help our own needs and wants.
Why the fvck should I really care what happens to Iran,Syria,Lybia,and all the other garbage like these countries?
Do these breeds of countries put more money in my pocket,pay my bills,go to work for me,make MY country a safer place,or make mw want to take a vacation in their piss hole?
I don't think so. So if I don't think so, I believe let all these no-good bastard countries croke!
Forget that and help our own needs and wants.
Why the fvck should I really care what happens to Iran,Syria,Lybia,and all the other garbage like these countries?
Do these breeds of countries put more money in my pocket,pay my bills,go to work for me,make MY country a safer place,or make mw want to take a vacation in their piss hole?
I don't think so. So if I don't think so, I believe let all these no-good bastard countries croke!
Nice Brazilian flag there ex, let's not even start on your country, if it is indeed Brazil. Because I'm loaded with facts and figures about this thieve-ridden, corrupted country that allows it's own people to starve to death while the politicians have penthouses in first world countries. Go ahead, talk shit about America, when your own country, if it is indeed Brazil, has a vested interest in not educating the population so they can keep them ignorant and continue to pay them the minimum wage here which is currently $80 per month. At least America does take care of their own, or makes a damn good effort. Please respond to this, cause I can say things about this country that will just make people shake their heads, and any Brazilian ashamed.
America helps the underprivileged?
I wouldn't say that lander hates americans...I wouldn't say that anyone on the left hates americans.
Despising your government because they do horrific things to people we'll never see or meet is one thing; a govt. that always puts profits before people.
I wouldn't say that lander hates americans...I wouldn't say that anyone on the left hates americans.
Despising your government because they do horrific things to people we'll never see or meet is one thing; a govt. that always puts profits before people.
I'll third that one.
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All America does is try to help underprivileged people and nations who ask for our help and we get ripped. ??????
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This is what America does to poor countries.
It's good business, but it gets you no respect.
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Originally posted by KMAN:
All America does is try to help underprivileged people and nations who ask for our help and we get ripped. ??????
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This is what America does to poor countries.
It's good business, but it gets you no respect.
hey ralph, brazil has had many problems in the past including corruption and continues to do so and of course i won't deny that. but maybe we should start with some root causes to some of those problems. let's not forget about the nearly 25 year military dictatorship started in 1964 sponsored by YOUR COUNTRY that overthrew a left-wing democratically elected govt in return for nearly 25 years of a regime that imprisoned and killed people for speaking against the status quo. That happened in many countries in South America, worse being in Chile where 30,000. Maybe if your country truly believed in democracy it would encourage, not deny it and don't give me this bullsh*t about communism.
If you knew anything about Brazil now you'd know that for the first time in a long time the president is actually trying to tackle those issues, including hunger, education and poverty. so give him a chance.
Lastly, all I have to say is that if Brazil were a superpower, they would certainly not support Israel, they would certainly not support a corrupt Saudi regime which I would say was nearly as bad as Hussein's in that it had little respect for human rights.
AND WE HAVE MORE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN
If you knew anything about Brazil now you'd know that for the first time in a long time the president is actually trying to tackle those issues, including hunger, education and poverty. so give him a chance.
Lastly, all I have to say is that if Brazil were a superpower, they would certainly not support Israel, they would certainly not support a corrupt Saudi regime which I would say was nearly as bad as Hussein's in that it had little respect for human rights.
AND WE HAVE MORE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by A2345exxx:
hey ralph, brazil has had many problems in the past including corruption and continues to do so and of course i won't deny that. but maybe we should start with some root causes to some of those problems. let's not forget about the nearly 25 year military dictatorship started in 1964 sponsored by YOUR COUNTRY that overthrew a left-wing democratically elected govt in return for nearly 25 years of a regime that imprisoned and killed people for speaking against the status quo. That happened in many countries in South America, worse being in Chile where 30,000. Maybe if your country truly believed in democracy it would encourage, not deny it and don't give me this bullsh*t about communism.
If you knew anything about Brazil now you'd know that for the first time in a long time the president is actually trying to tackle those issues, including hunger, education and poverty. so give him a chance.
Lastly, all I have to say is that if Brazil were a superpower, they would certainly not support Israel, they would certainly not support a corrupt Saudi regime which I would say was nearly as bad as Hussein's in that it had little respect for human rights.
AND WE HAVE MORE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
OK, first of all, you see I bolded the word sponsered. Sponsered? Do you think if a country sponsered some form of gov't. Americans didn't like we would stand for it? Of course we wouldn't! The problem with Brazil and Brazilians is they absolutely have NO, NADA, NEHUM sentiment of patriotism. And why should they? They're own gov't. has been screwing their own population for so long that they accept it. They think there's nothing they can do about it. Jesus christ man, organize, revolt, protest, and be willing to safrifice everything to change your country if you have to. Quit pointing your fingers at others and do something about your own problems and situations. I've lived here long enough to be very well informed about Brazil and it's history. I'm "in" with several politicians here in this country. Mayors, senators, and local politicians. Very well informed on Brazil and their actions, past and present. Had an American buddy that lived here about a year and a half ago, for a year, over a period of about 6 months we asked one question to approximately 100 Brazilians at the pub we frequented, the question? "If you had to, would you die for your country?". You already know the answer to the number of "yes's" we got don't ya? That's right, NONE, NADA, NEHUM. People with that kind of sentiment and ideology deserve everything they get. If you're not willing to stand up and fight for the betterment of your country, your rights, the rights and betterment of your children, you absolutely deserve everything you get, and IMO, have no right to bitch about it. The biggest difference between the U.S. and many other countries is that the people have the power in the U.S. And for anyone that doesn't think that's true, try living in a third-world country for a year or so, you'll see.
As far as Lula, Brazil's new president and "saviour". You obviously don't understand. The people here are beginning to see now. He's not doing anything new. He talks about it, but he's not changing a damn thing. Do you know why he can't? The System my friend. If he, or anyone for that matter, tries to actually do something and change the "system" here, which is completely and totally entrenched in corruption, he/they would be killed immediately. Corruption here is so engrained into the society and system here that when anyone tries to make a change or expose people involved they mysteriously disappear. It is in every facet of government, from district attorneys, judges, city councilmen, mayors, senators, and the president. Do you really believe that Lula is not involved in corruption and allowing it to exist? If you think he's not, you're the naive one my friend. There's only ONE way for Brazil to change their current system, and that's revolution. But it will never happen, the brazilians with education mostly make a comfortable living and don't want to sacrifice their sons and husbands for the betterment of future generations. And the uneducated?? Well they just have no idea what the hell is going on.
And Brazil being a superpower?? You know, they could be, because this country is one of if not the richest in the world in natural resources. But it will NEVER happen. Why? Once again, the system, the politicians here have a vested interest in keeping the people ignorant. And they do a damn good job! They want to continue to have 80% of the population ignorant so they can continue to work them like slaves and pay them $80 per month. Slavery exists in Brazil today, you guys just call them "empragadas", back in the 1800's in the southern U.S., we called them "slaves". "Analfabeto"(illiterate) my friend, and that's exactly the way they want it! Lula, your own president is illiterate, I mean come on, nice example. The president of the largest and richest country in Latin America illiterate?? It's true. You think Brazil is a democracy now?? Why do you think the main reason is that they keep the people illiterate here? To buy elections!! They go to these "favela's"(slums) where the people don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of and literally buy their votes. I've seen it with my own eyes! Politicians here in Brazil spend more money to get elected than any american politician, there's not even a comparison. A friend, who is the mayor of the city where I live, population of around 600,000 people, spent approximately $4,000,000 to get elected 2 years ago. Now ask youself this question. Why would a person spend $4,000,000 of his OWN money to get elected to a position that pays $50,000 per year?? Maybe he's just interested in the betterment of his own people huh? Just a real generous guy that doesn't care about money? LMAO.
Human rights?? Try giving your own people some first before you start worrying about their support of other countries with or without.
You are right about one thing though, Brazil's greatest asset?? Braziladas!! Brazilian women are the most beautiful in the world! Why do you think I'm here?!
[This message was edited by RalphJ on August 03, 2003 at 10:30 AM.]
hey ralph, brazil has had many problems in the past including corruption and continues to do so and of course i won't deny that. but maybe we should start with some root causes to some of those problems. let's not forget about the nearly 25 year military dictatorship started in 1964 sponsored by YOUR COUNTRY that overthrew a left-wing democratically elected govt in return for nearly 25 years of a regime that imprisoned and killed people for speaking against the status quo. That happened in many countries in South America, worse being in Chile where 30,000. Maybe if your country truly believed in democracy it would encourage, not deny it and don't give me this bullsh*t about communism.
If you knew anything about Brazil now you'd know that for the first time in a long time the president is actually trying to tackle those issues, including hunger, education and poverty. so give him a chance.
Lastly, all I have to say is that if Brazil were a superpower, they would certainly not support Israel, they would certainly not support a corrupt Saudi regime which I would say was nearly as bad as Hussein's in that it had little respect for human rights.
AND WE HAVE MORE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
OK, first of all, you see I bolded the word sponsered. Sponsered? Do you think if a country sponsered some form of gov't. Americans didn't like we would stand for it? Of course we wouldn't! The problem with Brazil and Brazilians is they absolutely have NO, NADA, NEHUM sentiment of patriotism. And why should they? They're own gov't. has been screwing their own population for so long that they accept it. They think there's nothing they can do about it. Jesus christ man, organize, revolt, protest, and be willing to safrifice everything to change your country if you have to. Quit pointing your fingers at others and do something about your own problems and situations. I've lived here long enough to be very well informed about Brazil and it's history. I'm "in" with several politicians here in this country. Mayors, senators, and local politicians. Very well informed on Brazil and their actions, past and present. Had an American buddy that lived here about a year and a half ago, for a year, over a period of about 6 months we asked one question to approximately 100 Brazilians at the pub we frequented, the question? "If you had to, would you die for your country?". You already know the answer to the number of "yes's" we got don't ya? That's right, NONE, NADA, NEHUM. People with that kind of sentiment and ideology deserve everything they get. If you're not willing to stand up and fight for the betterment of your country, your rights, the rights and betterment of your children, you absolutely deserve everything you get, and IMO, have no right to bitch about it. The biggest difference between the U.S. and many other countries is that the people have the power in the U.S. And for anyone that doesn't think that's true, try living in a third-world country for a year or so, you'll see.
As far as Lula, Brazil's new president and "saviour". You obviously don't understand. The people here are beginning to see now. He's not doing anything new. He talks about it, but he's not changing a damn thing. Do you know why he can't? The System my friend. If he, or anyone for that matter, tries to actually do something and change the "system" here, which is completely and totally entrenched in corruption, he/they would be killed immediately. Corruption here is so engrained into the society and system here that when anyone tries to make a change or expose people involved they mysteriously disappear. It is in every facet of government, from district attorneys, judges, city councilmen, mayors, senators, and the president. Do you really believe that Lula is not involved in corruption and allowing it to exist? If you think he's not, you're the naive one my friend. There's only ONE way for Brazil to change their current system, and that's revolution. But it will never happen, the brazilians with education mostly make a comfortable living and don't want to sacrifice their sons and husbands for the betterment of future generations. And the uneducated?? Well they just have no idea what the hell is going on.
And Brazil being a superpower?? You know, they could be, because this country is one of if not the richest in the world in natural resources. But it will NEVER happen. Why? Once again, the system, the politicians here have a vested interest in keeping the people ignorant. And they do a damn good job! They want to continue to have 80% of the population ignorant so they can continue to work them like slaves and pay them $80 per month. Slavery exists in Brazil today, you guys just call them "empragadas", back in the 1800's in the southern U.S., we called them "slaves". "Analfabeto"(illiterate) my friend, and that's exactly the way they want it! Lula, your own president is illiterate, I mean come on, nice example. The president of the largest and richest country in Latin America illiterate?? It's true. You think Brazil is a democracy now?? Why do you think the main reason is that they keep the people illiterate here? To buy elections!! They go to these "favela's"(slums) where the people don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of and literally buy their votes. I've seen it with my own eyes! Politicians here in Brazil spend more money to get elected than any american politician, there's not even a comparison. A friend, who is the mayor of the city where I live, population of around 600,000 people, spent approximately $4,000,000 to get elected 2 years ago. Now ask youself this question. Why would a person spend $4,000,000 of his OWN money to get elected to a position that pays $50,000 per year?? Maybe he's just interested in the betterment of his own people huh? Just a real generous guy that doesn't care about money? LMAO.
Human rights?? Try giving your own people some first before you start worrying about their support of other countries with or without.
You are right about one thing though, Brazil's greatest asset?? Braziladas!! Brazilian women are the most beautiful in the world! Why do you think I'm here?!
[This message was edited by RalphJ on August 03, 2003 at 10:30 AM.]
You made interesting points there. But first of all, Lula is NOT illiterate. Either he is and your right or he memorized a 60 minute speech during his innaguration. He was born poor and without many opportunities but he suceeded. Its an example of social mobility in a country that has little of it. As for literacy, Brazil has also increased its literacy considerably during the past 10 years, although there's a long ways to go. I dont think there's a conspiracy to the extent u describe it because then progress wouldn't be made. As for Lula not making a difference, change will be slow and gradual, he has barely been in office for 8 months and has a huge financial deficit to work with, so that limits him in many ways. Also, the currency is not as strong as it used to be although it has shown signs of improvement against the Dollar. He has nominated great people for his cabinet. I expect him to have more independence in his second turn a few years from now. One thing about Brazilians is that however bad a situation may be people tend to always be optimistic, i think its a good thing.
I agree with you in that Brazil is one of the most unequal places on the planet but i doubt a revolution is what is needed. I wonder what kind of revolution would be suitable and I hope its not going back to the military dicatorship of the past. What Brazil turly needs is to tackle corruption and educate the masses but that runs the risk of giving them 'ideas', as you described and the 'borgeoisie' doesn't like that. As for earning $80 a month, its horrible but $80 in Brazil has the potential to go a long ways since (but not far enough) things are cheaper in relation to the US.
I certainly wouldn't fight for my country but the reason why is not so much a lack of patriotism but more of a lack of need but there are exceptions. You see, South America is the continent that has seen the least state to state warfare (with exception of Australia) ever and because of it being almost all Catholic, speaking the same or similar language and united against imperialism (so unlikely they would engage it themselves). If Brazil were to get into a war, it would probably be unjustified since there are no territorial disputes between Brazil and any other South American country. And Brazil certainly wouldn't send troops overseas to help the Americans/British because A) Can't afford it, B) The Brazilian meantality is too left wing. So that would basically leaves an unprovoked attack by let's say Argentina, however unlikely. Then i'd probably fight (although I have not gone to the 1 year mandatory army training) but Argentina would get fvcked since Brazil would just open up some of its dams flooding a large part of Argentina.
In relation to patriotism, Brazil tends to show it in other ways then warfare and conquest, ways that Americans may have difficulty in expressing. Through culture, people feel proud to be Brazilian, however rich or poor. As you probably know, Brazilian music and dance, in my opinion, is one of the best in the world (though im biased). I don't know about you but if I were American, I would never be proud of the trash thats coming out of your country. Football is another way people feel proud.
Going back to my point about optimism, its unfair to say Brazil will never become a superpower since it has all the best things, in my opinion, to look forward to. The US and Europe, on the other hand, have their best days behind them.
Hey Ralph, where are you living now? It's a shame to hear stories like that.
The best way I can describe Brazil's progress is 2 steps forward, 1 step back but always making progess, however slow.
Good day to you
I agree with you in that Brazil is one of the most unequal places on the planet but i doubt a revolution is what is needed. I wonder what kind of revolution would be suitable and I hope its not going back to the military dicatorship of the past. What Brazil turly needs is to tackle corruption and educate the masses but that runs the risk of giving them 'ideas', as you described and the 'borgeoisie' doesn't like that. As for earning $80 a month, its horrible but $80 in Brazil has the potential to go a long ways since (but not far enough) things are cheaper in relation to the US.
I certainly wouldn't fight for my country but the reason why is not so much a lack of patriotism but more of a lack of need but there are exceptions. You see, South America is the continent that has seen the least state to state warfare (with exception of Australia) ever and because of it being almost all Catholic, speaking the same or similar language and united against imperialism (so unlikely they would engage it themselves). If Brazil were to get into a war, it would probably be unjustified since there are no territorial disputes between Brazil and any other South American country. And Brazil certainly wouldn't send troops overseas to help the Americans/British because A) Can't afford it, B) The Brazilian meantality is too left wing. So that would basically leaves an unprovoked attack by let's say Argentina, however unlikely. Then i'd probably fight (although I have not gone to the 1 year mandatory army training) but Argentina would get fvcked since Brazil would just open up some of its dams flooding a large part of Argentina.
In relation to patriotism, Brazil tends to show it in other ways then warfare and conquest, ways that Americans may have difficulty in expressing. Through culture, people feel proud to be Brazilian, however rich or poor. As you probably know, Brazilian music and dance, in my opinion, is one of the best in the world (though im biased). I don't know about you but if I were American, I would never be proud of the trash thats coming out of your country. Football is another way people feel proud.
Going back to my point about optimism, its unfair to say Brazil will never become a superpower since it has all the best things, in my opinion, to look forward to. The US and Europe, on the other hand, have their best days behind them.
Hey Ralph, where are you living now? It's a shame to hear stories like that.
The best way I can describe Brazil's progress is 2 steps forward, 1 step back but always making progess, however slow.
Good day to you
