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[ It's a good thing this scum-fuck campaigned on an anti-war platform, and his dumb-fuck low information voters pranced gleefully singing "hope and change." Dumb fucks ]

Syria Becomes the 7th Predominantly Muslim Country Bombed by 2009 Nobel Peace Laureate

By Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald
Tuesday at 8:17 AM


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The U.S. today began bombing targets inside Syria, in concert with its lovely and inspiring group of five allied regimes: Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, and Jordan.
That means that Syria becomes the 7th predominantly Muslim country bombed by 2009 Nobel Peace Laureate Barack Obama—after Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Iraq.
The utter lack of interest in what possible legal authority Obama has to bomb Syria is telling indeed: Empires bomb who they want, when they want, for whatever reason (indeed, recall that Obama bombed Libya even after Congress explicitly voted against authorization to use force, and very few people seemed to mind that abject act of lawlessness; constitutional constraints are not for warriors and emperors).
It was just over a year ago that Obama officials were insisting that bombing and attacking Assad was a moral and strategic imperative. Instead, Obama is now bombing Assad’s enemies while politely informing his regime of its targets in advance. It seems irrelevant on whom the U.S. wages war; what matters it that it be at war, always and forever.
Six weeks of bombing hasn’t budged ISIS in Iraq, but it has caused ISIS recruitment to soar. That’s all predictable: the U.S. has known for years that what fuels and strengthens anti-American sentiment (and thus anti-American extremism) is exactly what they keep doing: aggression in that region. If you know that, then they know that. At this point, it’s more rational to say they do all of this not despite triggering those outcomes, but because of it. Continuously creating and strengthening enemies is a feature, not a bug. It is what justifies the ongoing greasing of the profitable and power-vesting machine of Endless War.
If there is anyone who actually believes that the point of all of this is a moral crusade to vanquish the evil-doers of ISIS (as the U.S. fights alongside its close Saudi friends), please read Professor As’ad AbuKhalil’s explanation today of how Syria is a multi-tiered proxy war. As the disastrous Libya “intervention” should conclusively and permanently demonstrate, the U.S. does not bomb countries for humanitarian objectives. Humanitarianism is the pretense, not the purpose.
 
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[h=1]Countries bombed by the U.S. under the Obama administration[/h] By Kevin Liptak, CNN
updated 9:38 PM EDT, Tue September 23, 2014

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STORY HIGHLIGHTS

  • President Obama has ordered airstrikes in seven different countries
  • Obama was close to ordering airstrikes in Syria in 2013
  • Obama is the fourth president in a row to order airstrikes in Iraq



New York (CNN) -- He's the war-ending President who, as of Tuesday, has ordered airstrikes in seven different countries (that we know of).
President Barack Obama has always acknowledged there are times when military force is necessary. Even when he accepted his Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, he said there could be instances when war is "morally justified."
But though he campaigned for the presidency on ending U.S.-led wars, Obama's administration has certainly been willing to use force when it sees fit.
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President Obama's 'War on Terror 2.0'
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U.S. launches airstrikes on ISIS targets
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Pentagon details anti-ISIS airstrikes
Here are seven places where the Obama administration is known to have ordered airstrikes:
Afghanistan
America's longest war became Obama's responsibility when he took office in 2009, and like his predecessor he has ordered airstrikes against suspected militant targets in the country. The air campaign -- which has utilized both manned aircraft and unmanned drones -- has been a major sticking point between the U.S. and the local government, which has decried the high civilian death toll.
In May Obama announced a plan to withdraw most American forces from Afghanistan by the end of this year, leaving behind a force of about 10,000 to maintain security and train Afghan forces. With a new Afghan president finally confirmed, U.S. officials expect the long-awaited Bilateral Security Agreement to be signed soon, permitting the residual U.S. force.
Pakistan
Like in Afghanistan, militants have been targeted by U.S. drones flying over Pakistan, causing similar uproar when they strike civilians rather than suspected Taliban outposts. Obama acknowledged that concern during a major speech at the National Defense University in 2013, saying that U.S. strikes that kill civilians could have the effect of spurring radicalization.
Libya
In March 2011, Obama announced the U.S. would join allied nations to launch air strikes on Libya. The move came after a U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing use of force to protect Libyan civilians, and though regime change wasn't Obama's stated goal at the beginning of the campaign, the airstrikes ended with the death of longtime Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.
Since then the security situation in Libya has deteriorated. In 2012, four Americans were killed during an attack on the U.S. compound in Benghazi, and in July of this year, the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli was evacuated.
Yemen
Facing threats from al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Obama administration significantly ramped-up the use of armed drones. Nearly 100 attacks have occurred since 2009, according to estimates from the New American Foundation, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of militants, but also many civilians.
Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen has been a nexus of threats against the U.S., including the so called "underwear bomber" who tried to ignite explosives on a U.S.-bound airliner in 2009.
Somalia
U.S. drones have targeted militants associated with al Shabaab, a terrorist network that perpetrated a high-profile attack last year at a mall in Kenya. Earlier this month, the U.S. targeted the group's leader Ahmed Godane using commandos aided by drones, killing him in an area south of Mogadishu.
Iraq
Citing a humanitarian crisis and potential threats to American interests, Obama ordered airstrikes to begin in Iraq in August, becoming the fourth president in a row to order airstrikes there. The Iraqi government, outmatched by ISIS fighters taking over broad swaths of land, welcomed the strikes.
The campaign broadened in September, when Obama announced he would begin targeting ISIS specifically. Instead of seeking specific authorization from lawmakers, Obama said he would rely on a Congressional authorization from 2011 that allowed the President to go after al Qaeda.
Syria
Obama's latest front for airstrikes has been gripped by civil war for more than three years. Obama came to the brink of ordering airstrikes there in 2013, after Syrian President Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons on civilians. But after Congress balked, Obama backed away, brokering instead a deal to rid al-Assad of his chemical stockpiles.
How Obama came to launch strikes in Syria
A year later, facing a different threat in Syria in the form of ISIS and the al Qaeda offshoot Khorasan, Obama authorized airstrikes on terrorist targets alongside a coalition of other Arab states. Officials say the mission to defeat those groups won't be won in day. Instead they're predicting a sustained effort that will surely be left for the next commander in chief to carry forward.
 

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Seriously Zit, Glenn Greenwald the cock-craving flotilla supporting far lefty? That's whose words you're quoting.
Did you even read the article or did Barman hack your account?

"The U.S. has known for years that what fuels and strengthens anti-American sentiment (and thus anti-American extremism) is exactly what they keep doing: aggression in that region."


Dumbest guesserism I've ever read, ad nauseum on this site. And patently false!
 

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Anyway Zit let me reword it. Forget the author. What point are YOU trying to make? That Obama is a hypocrite? Or that he's wrong to take a different course after realizing he was misguided? Should we not be destroying ISIS oil fields and blowing these Fuckers up in their beds?

Dislike Obama all you want, and I do although not nearly as much as many of you. But I'll say this. I'm not sure about his plan but he's wide awake now. He gave one Hell of a speech yesterday. In part of it he called on the entire Muslim World to cleanse itself. Even Bush never went that far.
 
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Anyway Zit let me reword it. Forget the author. What point are YOU trying to make? That Obama is a hypocrite? Or that he's wrong to take a different course after realizing he was misguided? Should we not be destroying ISIS oil fields and blowing these Fuckers up in their beds?

Dislike Obama all you want, and I do although not nearly as much as many of you. But I'll say this. I'm not sure about his plan but he's wide awake now. He gave one Hell of a speech yesterday. In part of it he called on the entire Muslim World to cleanse itself. Even Bush never went that far.

I'm pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of all those who voted for Obama, and still support him - while they're constantly bitching about how big-bad-Bush was such a war-monger. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the mindless shit-stains that gave and supported Obama getting a "peace" prize.

Part of me also thinks that we should leave all those fuckers over there alone so they can just kill one another off.

Look at this video from Glenn Beck, and tell me what you think about the Syrian Rebels we are now "supporting."

 

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Obama, noted Constitutional Law Lecturer, is also dropping bombs without congressional authorization.

I guess he's the decider, now.
 

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Anyway Zit let me reword it. Forget the author. What point are YOU trying to make? That Obama is a hypocrite? Or that he's wrong to take a different course after realizing he was misguided? Should we not be destroying ISIS oil fields and blowing these Fuckers up in their beds?

Dislike Obama all you want, and I do although not nearly as much as many of you. But I'll say this. I'm not sure about his plan but he's wide awake now. He gave one Hell of a speech yesterday. In part of it he called on the entire Muslim World to cleanse itself. Even Bush never went that far.
Really? I will admit I loath Obama more than you do but what I heard yesterday was the same tired mumbo jumbo that he repeats ad nauseam.

“Ladies and gentlemen, we come together at a crossroads between war and peace, between disorder and integration, between fear and hope.”

There has been nothing but war in that region of the world for centauries.

“It’s time for a broader negotiation in the region in which major powers address their differences directly, honestly, and peacefully across the table from one another, rather than through gun-wielding proxies.”

That would be great if were Canada and U.S. sitting at the table but it’s terrorists we’re dealing with not Mother Teresa and Buddhist monks.

“The United States is not and never will be at war with Islam. Islam teaches peace. Muslims the world over aspire to live with dignity and a sense of justice. And when it comes to America and Islam, there is no us and them, there is only us.”

The Koran is the Muslim holy book, is it not? Does it not call for the extermination of all who do not follow Islam, does it not demand that followers kill anyone who leaves the religion? For the record, the Koran contains more than 100 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers.

“No external power can bring about a transformation of hearts and minds,” “The only solution in this multicultural world is sharing our true feelings honestly with those who not only fundamentally disagree with us, but vow to do us harm.”

Obama’s the world as it is and the world as it should be is a wet dream and as soon as he accepts that he can’t change the world with hope, the better off we’ll all be.

And here’s the one that made my jaw drop…

“I realize that America’s critics will be quick to point out that at times we too have failed to live up to our ideals; that America has plenty of problems within our own borders. This is true. In a summer marked by instability in the Middle East and Eastern Europe, I know the world also took notice of the small American city of Ferguson, Missouri – where a young man was killed, and a community was divided. So yes, we have our own racial and ethnic tensions. And like every country, we continually wrestle with how to reconcile the vast changes wrought by globalization and greater diversity with the traditions that we hold dear.

He just had to apologize one more time. Comparing Ferguson, Missouri to mass murderers and beheadings is slap in the face to all Americans. Comparing the uncivilized to the civilized is convoluted.

You call it one hell of a speech, I call it inexperienced and unsophisticated.
 

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Ace what do you want Obama to do, wait for congress to have a POLITICALLY MOTIVATED debate while ISIS and other terror groups plot attacks on America and its interests?
 

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Scott,

let's ask candidate Obama:

“History has shown us time and again . . . that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch,” candidate Barack Obama told the Boston Globe in 2007. “It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.”

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I'm pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of all those who voted for Obama, and still support him - while they're constantly bitching about how big-bad-Bush was such a war-monger. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the mindless shit-stains that gave and supported Obama getting a "peace" prize.

Part of me also thinks that we should leave all those fuckers over there alone so they can just kill one another off.

Look at this video from Glenn Beck, and tell me what you think about the Syrian Rebels we are now "supporting."


That video is 15 months old now. There was also a rumor (disproven now) that McCain met with ISIS. There are many factions in Syria. There are many factions in Syria, and I am as unsure as you are how we vet them. Yet we know there are anti-American terrorist groups there. We have just taken out some or all of Khorasan was in the advanced stages of planning a 9/11 type attack on US soil. Another group we were tracking has "gone dark."

So Obama supporters are hypocrites and the world is full of mindless shitstains? What else is new?

"Part of me also thinks that we should leave all those fuckers over there alone so they can just kill one another off."

You're way brighter than that Zit. Come on. Jihad never stays where you leave it. Especially those with global aspirations. Even Obama has finally come to recognize this. He's not all in yet, but he's in. And I guarantee you if airstrikes and Arab boots don't succeed, US troops under the next president will be going back.

We are in a generational struggle with a poisonous ideology. It doesn't matter who our president is. If planes hit our buildings again, bridges blow up, jihadi snipers attack a mall, a subway train derails .... these are 4 likely events, we will forcefully respond. Obama has finally realized after many years that the best way to increase our odds is to take the fight to them over there. This thread is about criticizing him for just that. I will laud him for making this decision while many here will criticize him no matter what.
 

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Scott,

let's ask candidate Obama:

“History has shown us time and again . . . that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch,” candidate Barack Obama told the Boston Globe in 2007. “It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.”

:nohead:

It's 7 years later. So what is your little doggie snickering about. Is he frozen in time?

By the way you didn't answer my question. Do you want Obama to wait for politicians concerned about their reelections to quibble for 2 months while Obama does nothing as terrorists plot to kill us?
Show me the law Obama is violating?
 

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Dave you're right on some aspects of your post. It was IDIOTIC to bring up Ferguson.

But then he skewered Putin.

And then this. This is the STRONG part. And no, I don't agree with everything in it, but overall it reflects his realization that we are in the fight. The president's number one job is to protect us from attack, and I believe he now recognizes that. I don't want our congress to play politics with it. Nor do I myself want to play politics with it.
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Of course, terrorism is not new. Speaking before this Assembly, President Kennedy put it well: “Terror is not a new weapon,” he said. “Throughout history it has been used by those who could not prevail, either by persuasion or example.” In the 20th century, terror was used by all manner of groups who failed to come to power through public support. But in this century, we have faced a more lethal and ideological brand of terrorists who have perverted one of the world’s great religions. With access to technology that allows small groups to do great harm, they have embraced a nightmarish vision that would divide the world into adherents and infidels – killing as many innocent civilians as possible; and employing the most brutal methods to intimidate people within their communities.


I have made it clear that America will not base our entire foreign policy on reacting to terrorism. Rather, we have waged a focused campaign against al Qaeda and its associated forces – taking out their leaders, and denying them the safe-havens they rely upon. At the same time, we have reaffirmed that the United States is not and never will be at war with Islam. Islam teaches peace. Muslims the world over aspire to live with dignity and a sense of justice. And when it comes to America and Islam, there is no us and them – there is only us, because millions of Muslim Americans are part of the fabric of our country.


So we reject any suggestion of a clash of civilizations. Belief in permanent religious war is the misguided refuge of extremists who cannot build or create anything, and therefore peddle only fanaticism and hate. And it is no exaggeration to say that humanity’s future depends on us uniting against those who would divide us along fault lines of tribe or sect; race or religion.


This is not simply a matter of words. Collectively, we must take concrete steps to address the danger posed by religiously motivated fanatics, and the trends that fuel their recruitment. Moreover, this campaign against extremism goes beyond a narrow security challenge. For while we have methodically degraded core al Qaeda and supported a transition to a sovereign Afghan government, extremist ideology has shifted to other places – particularly in the Middle East and North Africa, where a quarter of young people have no job; food and water could grow scarce; corruption is rampant; and sectarian conflicts have become increasingly hard to contain.


As an international community, we must meet this challenge with a focus on four areas. First, the terrorist group known as ISIL must be degraded, and ultimately destroyed.


This group has terrorized all who they come across in Iraq and Syria. Mothers, sisters and daughters have been subjected to rape as a weapon of war. Innocent children have been gunned down. Bodies have been dumped in mass graves. Religious minorities have been starved to death. In the most horrific crimes imaginable, innocent human beings have been beheaded, with videos of the atrocity distributed to shock the conscience of the world.


No God condones this terror. No grievance justifies these actions. There can be no reasoning – no negotiation – with this brand of evil. The only language understood by killers like this is the language of force. So the United States of America will work with a broad coalition to dismantle this network of death.


In this effort, we do not act alone. Nor do we intend to send U.S. troops to occupy foreign lands. Instead, we will support Iraqis and Syrians fighting to reclaim their communities. We will use our military might in a campaign of air strikes to roll back ISIL. We will train and equip forces fighting against these terrorists on the ground. We will work to cut off their financing, and to stop the flow of fighters into and out of the region. Already, over 40 nations have offered to join this coalition. Today, I ask the world to join in this effort. Those who have joined ISIL should leave the battlefield while they can. Those who continue to fight for a hateful cause will find they are increasingly alone. For we will not succumb to threats; and we will demonstrate that the future belongs to those who build – not those who destroy.


Second, it is time for the world – especially Muslim communities – to explicitly, forcefully, and consistently reject the ideology of al Qaeda and ISIL.


It is the task of all great religions to accommodate devout faith with a modern, multicultural world. No children – anywhere – should be educated to hate other people. There should be no more tolerance of so-called clerics who call upon people to harm innocents because they are Jewish, Christian or Muslim. It is time for a new compact among the civilized peoples of this world to eradicate war at its most fundamental source: the corruption of young minds by violent ideology.


That means cutting off the funding that fuels this hate. It’s time to end the hypocrisy of those who accumulate wealth through the global economy, and then siphon funds to those who teach children to tear it down.


That means contesting the space that terrorists occupy – including the Internet and social media. Their propaganda has coerced young people to travel abroad to fight their wars, and turned students into suicide bombers. We must offer an alternative vision.


That means bringing people of different faiths together. All religions have been attacked by extremists from within at some point, and all people of faith have a responsibility to lift up the value at the heart of all religion: do unto thy neighbor as you would have done unto you.


The ideology of ISIL or al Qaeda or Boko Haram will wilt and die if it is consistently exposed, confronted, and refuted in the light of day. Look at the new Forum for Promoting Peace in Muslim Societies – Sheikh bin Bayyah described its purpose: “We must declare war on war, so the outcome will be peace upon peace.” Look at the young British Muslims, who responded to terrorist propaganda by starting the “notinmyname” campaign, declaring – “ISIS is hiding behind a false Islam.” Look at the Christian and Muslim leaders who came together in the Central African Republic to reject violence – listen to the Imam who said, “Politics try to divide the religious in our country, but religion shouldn’t be a cause of hate, war, or strife.”


Later today, the Security Council will adopt a resolution that underscores the responsibility of states to counter violent extremism. But resolutions must be followed by tangible commitments, so we’re accountable when we fall short. Next year, we should all be prepared to announce the concrete steps that we have taken to counter extremist ideologies – by getting intolerance out of schools, stopping radicalization before it spreads, and promoting institutions and programs that build new bridges of understanding.


Third, we must address the cycle of conflict – especially sectarian conflict – that creates the conditions that terrorists prey upon.


There is nothing new about wars within religions. Christianity endured centuries of vicious sectarian conflict. Today, it is violence within Muslim communities that has become the source of so much human misery. It is time to acknowledge the destruction wrought by proxy wars and terror campaigns between Sunni and Shia across the Middle East. And it is time that political, civic and religious leaders reject sectarian strife. Let’s be clear: this is a fight that no one is winning. A brutal civil war in Syria has already killed nearly 200,000 people and displaced millions. Iraq has come perilously close to plunging back into the abyss. The conflict has created a fertile recruiting ground for terrorists who inevitably export this violence.


Yet, we also see signs that this tide could be reversed – a new, inclusive government in Baghdad; a new Iraqi Prime Minister welcomed by his neighbors; Lebanese factions rejecting those who try to provoke war. These steps must be followed by a broader truce. Nowhere is this more necessary than Syria. Together with our partners, America is training and equipping the Syrian opposition to be a counterweight to the terrorists of ISIL and the brutality of the Assad regime. But the only lasting solution to Syria’s civil war is political – an inclusive political transition that responds to the legitimate aspirations of all Syrian citizens, regardless of ethnicity or creed.


Cynics may argue that such an outcome can never come to pass. But there is no other way for this madness to end – whether one year from now or ten. Indeed, it’s time for a broader negotiation in which major powers address their differences directly, honestly, and peacefully across the table from one another, rather than through gun-wielding proxies. I can promise you America will remain engaged in the region, and we are prepared to engage in that effort.


My fourth and final point is a simple one: the countries of the Arab and Muslim world must focus on the extraordinary potential of their people – especially the youth.


Here I’d like to speak directly to young people across the Muslim world. You come from a great tradition that stands for education, not ignorance; innovation, not destruction; the dignity of life, not murder. Those who call you away from this path are betraying this tradition, not defending it.


You have demonstrated that when young people have the tools to succeed –good schools; education in math and science; an economy that nurtures creativity and entrepreneurship – then societies will flourish. So America will partner with those who promote that vision.
Where women are full participants in a country’s politics or economy, societies are more likely to succeed. That’s why we support the participation of women in parliaments and in peace processes; in schools and the economy.


If young people live in places where the only option is between the dictates of a state, or the lure of an extremist underground – no counter-terrorism strategy can succeed. But where a genuine civil society is allowed to flourish – where people can express their views, and organize peacefully for a better life – then you dramatically expand the alternatives to terror.


Such positive change need not come at the expense of tradition and faith. We see this in Iraq, where a young man started a library for his peers. “We link Iraq’s heritage to their hearts,” he said, and “give them a reason to stay.” We see it in Tunisia, where secular and Islamist parties worked together through a political process to produce a new constitution. We see it in Senegal, where civil society thrives alongside a strong, democratic government. We see it in Malaysia, where vibrant entrepreneurship is propelling a former colony into the ranks of advanced economies. And we see it in Indonesia, where what began as a violent transition has evolved into a genuine democracy.


Ultimately, the task of rejecting sectarianism and extremism is a generational task – a task for the people of the Middle East themselves. No external power can bring about a transformation of hearts and minds. But America will be a respectful and constructive partner. We will neither tolerate terrorist safe-havens, nor act as an occupying power. Instead, we will take action against threats to our security – and our allies – while building an architecture of counter-terrorism cooperation. We will increase efforts to lift up those who counter extremist ideology, and seek to resolve sectarian conflict. And we will expand our programs to support entrepreneurship, civil society, education and youth – because, ultimately, these investments are the best antidote to violence.


Leadership will also be necessary to address the conflict between Palestinians and Israelis. As bleak as the landscape appears, America will never give up the pursuit of peace. The situation in Iraq, Syria and Libya should cure anyone of the illusion that this conflict is the main source of problems in the region; for far too long, it has been used in part as a way to distract people from problems at home. And the violence engulfing the region today has made too many Israelis ready to abandon the hard work of peace. But let’s be clear: the status quo in the West Bank and Gaza is not sustainable. We cannot afford to turn away from this effort – not when rockets are fired at innocent Israelis, or the lives of so many Palestinian children are taken from us in Gaza. So long as I am President, we will stand up for the principle that Israelis, Palestinians, the region, and the world will be more just with two states living side by side, in peace and security.


This is what America is prepared to do – taking action against immediate threats, while pursuing a world in which the need for such action is diminished. The United States will never shy away from defending our interests, but nor will we shrink from the promise of this institution and its Universal Declaration of Human Rights – the notion that peace is not merely the absence of war, but the presence of a better life.
I realize that America’s critics will be quick to point out that at times we too have failed to live up to our ideals; that America has plenty of problems within our own borders. This is true. In a summer marked by instability in the Middle East and Eastern Europe, I know the world also took notice of the small American city of Ferguson, Missouri – where a young man was killed, and a community was divided. So yes, we have our own racial and ethnic tensions. And like every country, we continually wrestle with how to reconcile the vast changes wrought by globalization and greater diversity with the traditions that we hold dear.


But we welcome the scrutiny of the world – because what you see in America is a country that has steadily worked to address our problems and make our union more perfect. America is not the same as it was 100 years ago, 50 years ago, or even a decade ago. Because we fight for our ideals, and are willing to criticize ourselves when we fall short. Because we hold our leaders accountable, and insist on a free press and independent judiciary. Because we address our differences in the open space of democracy – with respect for the rule of law; with a place for people of every race and religion; and with an unyielding belief in the ability of individual men and women to change their communities and countries for the better.


After nearly six years as President, I believe that this promise can help light the world. Because I’ve seen a longing for positive change – for peace and freedom and opportunity – in the eyes of young people I’ve met around the globe. They remind me that no matter who you are, or where you come from, or what you look like, or what God you pray to, or who you love, there is something fundamental that we all share. Eleanor Roosevelt, a champion of the UN and America’s role in it, once asked, “Where, after all, do universal human rights begin? In small places,” she said, “close to home – so close and so small that they cannot be seen on any maps of the world. Yet they are the world of the individual person; the neighborhood he lives in; the school or college he attends; the factory, farm or office where he works.”


The people of the world look to us, here, to be as decent, as dignified, and as courageous as they are in their daily lives. And at this crossroads, I can promise you that the United States of America will not be distracted or deterred from what must be done. We are heirs to a proud legacy of freedom, and we are prepared to do what is necessary to secure that legacy for generations to come. Join us in this common mission, for today’s children and tomorrow’s.
 

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Scott,

let's ask candidate Obama:

“History has shown us time and again . . . that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch,” candidate Barack Obama told the Boston Globe in 2007. “It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.”

:nohead:

Now and Then: Obama Channels Bush in U.N. Address on Terror Threat.

Video…

http://dailysignal.com/2014/09/25/now-obama-channels-bush-un-address-terror-threat/

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That video is 15 months old now. There was also a rumor (disproven now) that McCain met with ISIS. There are many factions in Syria. There are many factions in Syria, and I am as unsure as you are how we vet them. Yet we know there are anti-American terrorist groups there. We have just taken out some or all of Khorasan was in the advanced stages of planning a 9/11 type attack on US soil. Another group we were tracking has "gone dark."

So Obama supporters are hypocrites and the world is full of mindless shitstains? What else is new?

"Part of me also thinks that we should leave all those fuckers over there alone so they can just kill one another off."

You're way brighter than that Zit. Come on. Jihad never stays where you leave it. Especially those with global aspirations. Even Obama has finally come to recognize this. He's not all in yet, but he's in. And I guarantee you if airstrikes and Arab boots don't succeed, US troops under the next president will be going back.

We are in a generational struggle with a poisonous ideology. It doesn't matter who our president is. If planes hit our buildings again, bridges blow up, jihadi snipers attack a mall, a subway train derails .... these are 4 likely events, we will forcefully respond. Obama has finally realized after many years that the best way to increase our odds is to take the fight to them over there. This thread is about criticizing him for just that. I will laud him for making this decision while many here will criticize him no matter what.

You make some good and valid points. I can't argue with what you said here...
 

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Just like he did with healthcare and economy at home, Obama completely FUBARED the middle east abroad.

If he had supported the Iranian uprising early in his presidency, left Libya contained in its box (remember, thanks to the leadership of Bush and Blair, Gaddafi surrendered his WMDs and severed its ties with terrorists), and kept stabilizing forces in Iraq and Afghanistan instead of pandering to far anti-war nut jobs, this thread wouldn't exist. No ISIS (at least, nothing more than "jv team") and no embarrassing (and emboldening) debacle in Benghazi.

The Kenyan created this mess (some would argue by design) strengthening and emboldening the greater evil - radical Islam.

Its too late to roll back the clock now, but suffice it to say more American blood WILL be lost in the future (more terror attacks at home, more military blood spilled abroad) because too many fools drank the Kool-Aid and elected this ineligible, incompetent buffoon.

Vaporizing the rodents from the air won't work, so the next POTUS is going to have their work cut out for them.
 

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