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[h=2]Obama Admin Denies New Jersey Quick Access to Rock Salt[/h]Administration refuses to grant waiver for 1920 law to speed transport of salt for icy roads





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BY: Mary Lou Byrd
February 17, 2014 10:00 am
The Obama Administration has not approved a waiver that would allow New Jersey quick access to tons of salt for ice-covered roads at a port in Maine despite the state being at dangerously low levels.
Townsquare Media reported that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) denied the state’s request for a waiver of the Jones Act, a 1920 law requiring that all cargo and passengers moving between points in the United States be transported on American vessels.
A waiver would have allowed New Jersey to get the salt within days from a foreign transport in Searsport, Maine.
New Jersey Department of Transportation Spokesman Joe Dee told the Washington Free Beacon that a waiver from the Jones Act appears “unlikely.”
“We were pursuing a waiver, but we’ve been advised we wouldn’t get one,” Dee said. “It seems unlikely we will get it.”
DHS did not respond to multiple requests for comment.
The numerous winter storms this year have left New Jersey low on salt to treat their roads.
“The recent series of winter storms in New Jersey have reduced the supply of rock salt to critically low levels,” New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R.) wrote in an executive order prior to the latest Nor’easter that hit the state last week.
“Rock salt is an essential to maintaining safe travel on state, county, local, and interstate roads as a result of the dangerous and icy conditions during these winter storms,” Christie wrote.
The state is now scrambling to access rock salt.
“The supplies are tight. We have enough for another storm or two,” Dee said Friday night.
Another storm hit the state on Saturday, dumping several inches of snow during the day and night, leaving roadways slick and icy.
Dee said plans now include making multiple trips—as many as four—to transport the salt from Maine to New Jersey. He acknowledged, it will “take us a longer time.” With a waiver the state would have made only one trip to get the 40,000 tons of salt in Maine.
Municipalities in the past were able to access the state’s stockpile of salt if needed, but the shortage has made such sharing impossible.
“If a county ran out in the past, we would share salt. Unfortunately, we are not in that position,” said Dee. “That’s not an option.”
The salt silos in Jersey City were empty. Towns such as Randolph, Fort Lee, and Englewood reportedly had to leave roads untreated. Salting in South Bergen was also curtailed due to its shortage. Monmouth County also ran out of salt as another storm hit on Saturday. Additionally, Morris County was running low and advised its towns to conserve salt.
Middletown, located in Monmouth County, was also very low on salt, according to Township Committeeman and former Mayor Gerry Scharfenberger. He said on Saturday the town was much better off than other surrounding municipalities.
Middletown was mixing its salt with brine. It also resorted to using sand on it roadways. “We’re doing all of those things to try to stretch out our supplies,” Scharfenberger said. “It is a little scary the prospect of running out. Plowing can only do so much.”
Neither Sen. Cory Booker (D., N.J.) nor Sen. Bob Menendez (D., N.J.) responded to requests for comment.
The Obama Administration came under fire for not giving a Jones Act waiver in the wake of the Gulf Oil spill. However, they did grant a waiver after Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D., N.Y.) requested one to allow fuel supplies to be replenished in the wake of Hurricane Sandy in 2012.
 

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I would say this is much worse than blocking a lane. Booker and Menendez had no comment (both Dem Senators from Mass. I am sure this will get a pass from the same lame stream media that persecuted Christie even before all the facts were in. Same old same old.
 

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I would say this is much worse than blocking a lane. Booker and Menendez had no comment (both Dem Senators from Mass. I am sure this will get a pass from the same lame stream media that persecuted Christie even before all the facts were in. Same old same old.

Senators from Jersey
 

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Obama pulled the same shit with the BP Gulf oil spill.


Yes but bridgegate is a much bigger deal right. Lame stream media just doing it's thing. Apparently the Democratic Senators backed the WH and not Christie, I wonder why. Can you bully a bully.
 

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Obama pulled the same shit with the BP Gulf oil spill.

Of course the Terrorist Supporting POS is lying, but when you rely on the right wing loon media to get your "facts", instead of legit sites that actually care about "facts", you'll find yourself being misinformed pretty often.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/06/oil-spill-foreign-help-and-the-jones-act/

[h=1]Oil Spill, Foreign Help and the Jones Act[/h] [h=4][/h]
  • Posted on June 23, 2010 | Corrected on July 1, 2010
Q: Did Obama turn down foreign offers of assistance in cleaning up the Gulf oil spill? Did he refuse to waive Jones Act restrictions on foreign-flag vessels?
A: No to both questions. So far, offers from six foreign countries or entities have been accepted and only one offer has been rejected. Fifteen foreign-flag vessels are working on the cleanup, and none required a waiver.
FULL QUESTION
Is it true that Obama blocked foreign help with cleaning up the Gulf oil spill because he refused to waive the Jones Act, which requires all boats to be American made and crewed by Americans to work in U.S. waters, even though it has been routinely waived for similar events?
FULL ANSWER
We’ve received several questions about the federal government’s response to the oil spill. This one claims that a provision of the Merchant Marine Act, called the Jones Act, has prohibited foreign vessels from entering U.S. waters and assisting in the cleanup.
Some critics have charged — falsely — that Obama’s refusal to waive the Jones Act has kept foreign vessels from assisting in cleanup efforts. In a June 23 interview on "Fox & Friends," Republican Rep. Charles Djou of Hawaii was asked by show host Gretchen Carlson about the Jones Act and why the administration was refusing foreign assistance. Djou answered:
Djou, June 23: It’s important that we take help from whomever and wherever they’re willing to offer it. … So why are we not waiving the Jones Act to allow international help to come in? … Why we’re not waiving it here … is baffling.
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, both Republicans, have also claimed that the Jones Act, which was temporarily lifted by President Bush after Hurricane Katrina, is now standing in the way of foreign vessels bringing assistance to the United States. They are both incorrect. Palin stated this in an interview with Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren:
Palin, June 11: For one, there needs to be a waiving of the Jones Act so that we could have had many, many days ago, weeks ago, some help with skimmers from elsewhere, besides just U.S. flagships, come over and help in this tragedy. And that order needs to be given to [Coast Guard] Admiral [Thad] Allen right now. It’s amazing to me and to so many others that though President Bush had been able to waive Jones Act provisions for Katrina, President Obama hasn’t thought to do that yet? And yet surely, that has been suggested by those experts around him.
In reality, the Jones Act has yet to be an issue in the response efforts. The Deepwater Horizon response team reported in a June 15 press release that there are 15 foreign flagged ships currently participating in the oil spill cleanup. None of them needed a waiver because the Jones Act does not apply. The Jones Act is a trade and commerce law that was enacted in 1920 as part of a larger Marine Merchant Act. It requires all trade delivered between U.S. ports to be carried in U.S. flagged vessels constructed in the United States and owned by American citizens. The law states its purpose is to develop a merchant marine for national defense and commerce.
Why was the Jones Act waived as part of the Hurricane Katrina response, and why hasn’t it been waived now? Katrina inflicted massive infrastructure damage, which restricted the availability of key resources. According to the Deepwater Horizon response team: "A Jones Act waiver was granted during Hurricane Katrina due to the significant disruption in the production and transportation of petroleum and/or refined petroleum products in the region during that emergency and the impact this had on national defense." The Deepwater Horizon spill has yet to affect infrastructure or oil and gas availability; the damage is environmental, and foreign vessels are approved for delivering resources and conducting offshore skimming. Although the Jones Act is currently not applicable, the federal government has taken steps to expedite the waiver process should the oil spill response require a Jones Act waiver for trade and commerce.
Also, contrary to reports such as the one on "Fox & Friends," international assistance has been accepted. To date, 25 countries and four international organizations have offered support in the form of skimming vessels, containment and fire boom, technical assistance and response solutions, among others. A chart provided by the State Department shows that as of June 23 offers from six foreign countries or entities had been accepted. Fifty more offers were under consideration — including multiple offers from a single country or entity. One offer had been declined: France offered a chemical dispersant that is not approved for use in the United States. President Barack Obama described this process in his May 27 press conference:
Obama, May 27: The job of our response team is to say, okay, if 17 countries have offered equipment and help, let’s evaluate what they’ve offered: How fast can it get here? Is it actually going to be redundant, or will it actually add to the overall effort — because in some cases, more may not actually be better. And decisions have been made based on the best information available that says here’s what we need right now. It may be that a week from now or two weeks from now or a month from now the offers from some of those countries might be more effectively utilized.
Each offer must be compliant not only with the needs outlined by the Unified Command, but also with U.S. safety regulations. The Unified Command provided us with this statement and information:
Unified Command, June 22: Those offers of international assistance that were not accepted, while greatly appreciated, did not meet the operational requirements of the Unified Command. These offers have not been declined because they may be needed in the future as response strategies change. Some challenges in accepting these offers included:

  • Equipment failed to meet US requirements/specifications (i.e. dispersant not on approved list/containment boom made of non-approved material)
  • Contingencies placed on the offers proved logistically impracticable when compared to other sources.
  • In one instance, the offering country’s export laws prohibited delivery of the assistance
  • Contingencies placed on the offers made it difficult for the Unified Command to meet the contingency
Also, all offers, except for a few, come with a serious price tag. The Associated Press compared these offers with recent aid that the U.S. gave to some of these countries. The AP reported:
Associated Press, June 18: U.S. disaster aid is almost always free of charge; other nations expect the U.S. to pay for help.
"These offers are not typically offers of aid," said Lt. Erik Halvorson, a Coast Guard spokesman. "Normally, they are offers to sell resources to BP or the U.S. government."
Reports claiming that the federal government has refused help are not only incorrect — foreign assistance has been utilized — but are also misleading: purchasing resources and expertise is vastly different from accepting "foreign aid."
–Joshua Goldman
Correction, July 1: As of June 23, the U.S. had accepted six offers of assistance from six foreign countries or entities. The original post said five offers were accepted. We have updated the post to include the correct number.
[h=2]Sources[/h] “Admiral Allen Provides Guidance to Ensure Expedited Jones Act Waiver Processing Should It Be Needed.” Press release. Deepwater Horizon Unified Command. 15 Jun 2010.
“Fox & Friends.” Interview with Rep. Charles Djou. Fox News. 23 Jun 2010.
“Jones Act Fact Sheet.” Press release. Deepwater Horizon Unified Command. 18 Jun 2010
Jonsson, Patrick. "Jones Act: Maritime politics strain Gulf oil spill cleanup." Christian Science Monitor. 19 Jun 2010.

Merchant Marine Act. Pub.L. 66-261. 5 Jun 1920.
“On The Record.” Transcript. Fox News. 11 Jun 2010.
Sullivan, Eileen and Matthew Lee. "Foreign help on oil spill comes with a price tag." Associated Press. 18 Jun 2010.
Deepwater Horizon Unified Command. E-mail sent to FactCheck.org. 22 Jun 2010.
U.S. Department of State. Chart on Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill Response: International Offers of Assistance from Governments and International Bodies. 21 Jun 2010.
The White House. Remarks by the President on the Gulf Oil Spill. Office of the Press Secretary. 27 May 2010.
 

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In researching this, I've found only 2 recent situations where the Jones act has been waived. Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Sandy, both extreme emergency situations. Not having enough rock salt for future storms is hardly on the same plane. This has nothing to do with Obama or Christie, who have proven they can co-operate, much to the wingnuts chagrin. It's a matter of law and severity. Funny how those who want Obama to rigidly stick to the aspects of the ACA that people and businesses want relief from, because he must strictly follow the law, want him to waive the law here, when it isn't an emergency situation. :):)
 

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In researching this, I've found only 2 recent situations where the Jones act has been waived. Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Sandy, both extreme emergency situations. Not having enough rock salt for future storms is hardly on the same plane. This has nothing to do with Obama or Christie, who have proven they can co-operate, much to the wingnuts chagrin. It's a matter of law and severity. Funny how those who want Obama to rigidly stick to the aspects of the ACA that people and businesses want relief from, because he must strictly follow the law, want him to waive the law here, when it isn't an emergency situation. :):)

So why no comment from their U.S. Senators. Please explain.
 

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Now Sen Booker and Menendez are assuring the people of NJ that rock salt is coming. I guess they want the accolades and make it obvious that they deserve the credit not Christie. Politics, it is how the dem's roll even when it comes to rock salt.
 

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Now Sen Booker and Menendez are assuring the people of NJ that rock salt is coming. I guess they want the accolades and make it obvious that they deserve the credit not Christie. Politics, it is how the dem's roll even when it comes to rock salt.

Russ, with all due respect, you're a partisan hack, even though you say you're independent. No one is taking credit, this isn't a Dem vs Republican issue, and Christie's whole appeal is based on cutting through party lines. The Jones act still hasn't been waived, alternative delivery methods are being used for now in this non emergency situation.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/02...-snow-removal-as-nj-deals-with-salt-shortage/
 

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Russ, with all due respect, you're a partisan hack, even though you say you're independent. No one is taking credit, this isn't a Dem vs Republican issue, and Christie's whole appeal is based on cutting through party lines. The Jones act still hasn't been waived, alternative delivery methods are being used for now in this non emergency situation.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/02...-snow-removal-as-nj-deals-with-salt-shortage/

Actually it is you who are the hack. I am the one who posted the comments from the Dem's not you. So you think they had no motivation and were not deflecting from Christie. Right. This is a political issue, no where will you read that either one of these Senators were backing Christie's request. They are taking credit on their own independently. I am an independent who leans right what part of that do you not understand. The fact that I am not a registered Republican tells it all. There is nothing that the Dem/Libs bring to the table that I agree on that is for sure but I do not agree with everything the Republicans do either. I am dead on about Obama's agenda which is not in the best interest of this country. What part of that don't you understand. I make up my own mind, read my own sources, and post articles that show Obama and the far left for what they are. Duh. Is being a fiscal conservative that hard for you to grasp.
 

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Actually it is you who are the hack. I am the one who posted the comments from the Dem's not you. So you think they had no motivation and were not deflecting from Christie. Right. This is a political issue, no where will you read that either one of these Senators were backing Christie's request. They are taking credit on their own independently. I am an independent who leans right what part of that do you not understand. The fact that I am not a registered Republican tells it all. There is nothing that the Dem/Libs bring to the table that I agree on that is for sure but I do not agree with everything the Republicans do either. I am dead on about Obama's agenda which is not in the best interest of this country. What part of that don't you understand. I make up my own mind, read my own sources, and post articles that show Obama and the far left for what they are. Duh. Is being a fiscal conservative that hard for you to grasp.

You are connecting those imaginary dots again, and coming up with things you want to believe. No where have you read that either of these Senators are NOT backing Christie's request. The above article said both Senators have sent a letter to DHS, so in connecting dots, why can't you see that perhaps they are echoing Prior requests for waiving of the Jones act? Because you don't want to. You don't like where those dots may lead, so you reject them. Booker even says “It’s not optimal, but right now it seems to be a way,”. This is NOT about Politics, it's about law and whether this is an urgent enough to waive a law that has only been waived twice recently, in extreme hurricane situations. Being a Fiscal Conservative is fine and dandy. Unfortunately your agenda is way beyond that, as you always show, including this post. A guy like Andrew Sullivan could be looked at as a fair minded Fiscal Conservative, not you.
 

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You are connecting those imaginary dots again, and coming up with things you want to believe. No where have you read that either of these Senators are NOT backing Christie's request. The above article said both Senators have sent a letter to DHS, so in connecting dots, why can't you see that perhaps they are echoing Prior requests for waiving of the Jones act? Because you don't want to. You don't like where those dots may lead, so you reject them. Booker even says “It’s not optimal, but right now it seems to be a way,”. This is NOT about Politics, it's about law and whether this is an urgent enough to waive a law that has only been waived twice recently, in extreme hurricane situations. Being a Fiscal Conservative is fine and dandy. Unfortunately your agenda is way beyond that, as you always show, including this post. A guy like Andrew Sullivan could be looked at as a fair minded Fiscal Conservative, not you.

You have to look at what they did not say dumbass. Did they say "we support Gov. Christie in his request for more rock salt". Nope, that is political. Yes I can connect the dots, you sir cannot even see the dots. In fact you don't want to see the dots much less connect them. I am not rejecting anything. You actually think they were echoing Christie's request, right. You said "perhaps", well perhaps not. That is an assumption without any validity. You don't want to accept the obvious in this case. The law in this case is simply something to hide behind. Maybe Obama could cut another executive order. LOL
 

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You have to look at what they did not say dumbass. Did they say "we support Gov. Christie in his request for more rock salt". Nope, that is political. Yes I can connect the dots, you sir cannot even see the dots. In fact you don't want to see the dots much less connect them. I am not rejecting anything. You actually think they were echoing Christie's request, right. You said "perhaps", well perhaps not. That is an assumption without any validity. You don't want to accept the obvious in this case. The law in this case is simply something to hide behind. Maybe Obama could cut another executive order. LOL

Look, DUMBASS, I said perhaps?, which has every bit the validity of your Perhaps not. You NEED to blame Obama for EVERYTHING DUMBASS. The law is the law, DUMBASS, one that has only been waived in EXTREME Hurricane situations, DUMBASS. Guess what DUMBASS, Fox News says New Jersey Democratic Sens. Cory Booker and Bob Menendez have reached out to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the state Department of Transportation to resolve the matter quickly, but have yet to obtain a waiver. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-as-it-waits-for-federal-waiver-to-jones-act/
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Your big government, hard at work:

State officials said they arranged on Feb. 7 to buy the salt and ship it immediately to Port Newark on a vessel that had just unloaded its cargo in Maine and would have delivered the entire load to New Jersey by last weekend.


But then officials learned that the maritime law, which was passed in 1920 and is known as the Jones Act, stipulates that only ships with United States flags and crews can transport goods between American ports.


Officials applied for the waiver on Thursday, but the Department of Homeland Security has not yet ruled.

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In researching this, I've found only 2 recent situations where the Jones act has been waived. Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Sandy, both extreme emergency situations. Not having enough rock salt for future storms is hardly on the same plane. This has nothing to do with Obama or Christie, who have proven they can co-operate, much to the wingnuts chagrin. It's a matter of law and severity. Funny how those who want Obama to rigidly stick to the aspects of the ACA that people and businesses want relief from, because he must strictly follow the law, want him to waive the law here, when it isn't an emergency situation. :):)
Im guessing you are in a warm weather state..........Tell this to the family of somebody that dies on the road as a result of not being able to get enough salt....Its really a life or death situation....
 

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for some of these weeks that have been hovering around zero rock salt is minimally effective anyway. there are better options out there that a few states especially upper midwest are experimenting with (beet juice, cheese brine, magnesium, etc) that are not only more effective but is something you'd prefer to having leaking into your soil and, eventually, your drinking water. I'm guessing a dumb fuck fema-lover like christie who has only learned how to suck the government teet would know there are alternatives than just looking for the next way he can give obama a reach-around. christie is corbett are the worst type of wanna-be conservative governors. fucking disgusting
 

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