No Kyle Shanahan Singlehandedly Lost Superbowl 51 Thread?

[TheFalls]

The play calls were a joke...but the twitter tweets are pretty good


<blockquoteclass="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wow - incredible ending. Kyle Shanahan's play calling with 3 minutes left proves he's ready for the 49ers. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SuperBowl2017?src=hash">#SuperBowl2017</a></p>— Cousin Sal (@TheCousinSal) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheCousinSal/status/828444833542926337">February 6, 2017</a></blockquote> <script asyncsrc="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>




<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The 49ers should fire Kyle Shanahan right now.</p>— Robin Lundberg (@robinlundberg) <a href="https://twitter.com/robinlundberg/status/828445871809380353">February 6, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kyle Shanahan:<br>hey we could run it and just win the super bowl<br>Other Kyle Shanahan: THROW IT <a href="https://t.co/2Le715PgPp">pic.twitter.com/2Le715PgPp</a></p>— Peter Burns (@PeterBurnsESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeterBurnsESPN/status/828436550870507521">February 6, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

http://thefalconswire.usatoday.com/...decisions-during-falcons-super-bowl-collapse/

 

[Willie99]

Kyle didn't have anything to do with Atlanta's defense, which was steam rolled

 

[MantisToboggan]

Kyle didn't have anything to do with Atlanta's defense, which was steam rolled

Sure he did. It's pretty difficult to argue that Atlanta's inability to stay on the field didn't play at least some role in Atlanta's defense getting steam rolled in the 2nd half.

 

[bigwang]

You stick with what got you there and he did. The 1st down run getting stuffed set up the pass and sack on 2nd down which in turn set up 3rd and long.

Falcon backers need to get the sand out of their vaginas and shut the fuck up. You lost to the better team. Move on or go watch the Oprah network.

 

[festeringZit]

Sure he did. It's pretty difficult to argue that Atlanta's inability to stay on the field didn't play at least some role in Atlanta's defense getting steam rolled in the 2nd half.

Yeah, I think if the defense wasn't completely exhausted towards the end of the game, that a couple of those Brady passes would have been picked off... or at least batted away.

 

[PatsFan1283]

They definitely overthought it. I dunno if the moment was too big for him or he thought 40 yards wasn't a chip shot for their K given the pressure or something. Some of it maybe is psychological, you get 66 yards on 2 plays and all of a sudden you have to just run 3x for a 40 yard FG? Can be tough to not get greedy and want to make it more of a chip shot.

You gotta value the 3pts and the clock a little more there because their D was gassed at that point.

Attention to detail difference between winning and losing.

 

[TheFalls]

Not running 3x in a row after the Julio catch is clearly why they lost.
Dunno...freeman was avg 7ish yards a carry.
A quick screen should have been the only passing play considered...but it should have never been considered.

He got cute at the wrong time and it will haunt him till the end.
I was on the Pats fwiw. And I almost feel bad about my tiny wager coming in. Almost.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Not running 3x in a row after the Julio catch is clearly why they lost.
Dunno...freeman was avg 7ish yards a carry.
A quick screen should have been the only passing play considered...but it should have never been considered.

He got cute at the wrong time and it will haunt him till the end.
I was on the Pats fwiw. And I almost feel bad about my tiny wager coming in. Almost.

If you look at their previous 6-7 runs, they weren't getting much on the ground at all before that sequence. That coupled with Mack's injury made them overthink it I think.

A team that pushed to score as many pts as possible just didn't adjust and play conservative when they needed to.

Which is funny, because usually the reason NFL teams fuckup situational football on offense is for the total opposite reason. They play too conservative.

 

[StevieRay]

Matty ice should have checked out of the play

 

[Acebb]

They definitely overthought it. I dunno if the moment was too big for him or he thought 40 yards wasn't a chip shot for their K given the pressure or something.

On the year the ATL kicker was 7-7 between 40-50 and for his career has converted 93% of all 4th Q kicks.

 

[Acebb]

Going up against probably the best coach/QB combo ever, Atlanta had the ball up 16 points facing 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] and 1 at their own 34 yard line with 8:30 left. What do they do?

CALL A PASS PLAY!

I don’t know how Atlanta fans deal with this. I would be inconsolable and maybe still drunk.

 

[vitterd]

Going up against probably the best coach/QB combo ever, Atlanta had the ball up 16 points facing 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] and 1 at their own 34 yard line with 8:30 left. What do they do?

CALL A PASS PLAY!

I don’t know how Atlanta fans deal with this. I would be inconsolable and maybe still drunk.

Yep.....horrible decisions then and later

At that point it's all math and clock. Play the percentage and run it twice more. Kick the fg and go home champions. Shanahan totally choked that game.

Credit Brady and pats for getting the job done when given the chance but I consider this the biggest blundering coach job since Pete threw it on the goal line 2 years ago.

Which bailed out BB for not using time out on defense when he should have. Even the best coaches have a horrible time management

 

[PatsFan1283]

Agree. At that point it's all math and clock. Play the percentage and run it twice more. Kick the fg and go home champions. Shanahan totally choked that game.

Credit Brady and pats for getting the job done when given the chance but I consider the biggest blundering coach job since Pete threw it on the goal line instead 2 years ago

The play he is talking about is on the previous drive. It was 3rd and 1 and Hightower got the sack/fumble.

To say they definitely should've run there is pushing it IMO. That is more just an example of calling a play and the worst possible thing happening. They ran the ball pretty well if you look at the #'s but a lot of that was based on NE gameplan of taking away Julio and making them stay patient and run the ball. They were still up 28-12 at that point in the game, I think you keep playing football and it isn't really situational yet. Sometimes that will include throwing on 3rd and 1, sometimes it will be running.

 

[vitterd]

The play he is talking about is on the previous drive. It was 3rd and 1 and Hightower got the sack/fumble.

To say they definitely should've run there is pushing it IMO. That is more just an example of calling a play and the worst possible thing happening. They ran the ball pretty well if you look at the #'s but a lot of that was based on NE gameplan of taking away Julio and making them stay patient and run the ball. They were still up 28-12 at that point in the game, I think you keep playing football and it isn't really situational yet. Sometimes that will include throwing on 3rd and 1, sometimes it will be running.

Yeah I see that. Great blocking effort by RB there. My goodness

 

[Acebb]

Quinn on the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] & 1 play call that led to the sack/fumble

“Well,” Quinn tried to explain, “we thought we’d have a good look based on the personnel that was in the game for them. We trust our guys, so we thought that was the opportunity to let it rip. When it doesn’t go that way, then it’s easy to question it.

“I don’t second-guess our play calling or wanting to throw it.”

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Quinn on the sequence with under 4 mins left:

“It was a fantastic catch, and so my initial thought, we’re getting closer here,” Quinn said. “But having a chance to go score [a touchdown], we knew how good the other side was too, so we wanted to go attack at every opportunity. So, when it didn’t work out, it’s easy to second guess on that.”

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One other note: after recovering the onside kick attempt by NE, the Falcons did not run the ball. A FG there and you go up 31-9.

 

[vitterd]

Tuck rule, Pete carrol, Kyle Shanahan.

Cant give the greatest chances like these. Greatest qb ever .....very fortunate team as well.

 

[MantisToboggan]

Going up against probably the best coach/QB combo ever, Atlanta had the ball up 16 points facing 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] and 1 at their own 34 yard line with 8:30 left. What do they do?

CALL A PASS PLAY!

I don’t know how Atlanta fans deal with this. I would be inconsolable and maybe still drunk.

Honestly, on some level I can understand throwing the ball, but what I don't understand is calling a slow developing play with a 5 step drop. You need 1 yard. Call something that gets the ball out quickly. Whatever you call, the QB shouldn't be holding the ball long enough for NE to get there.

 

[Acebb]

This is just horrendous. Look at this sequence:

3[SUP]rd[/SUP] Q with Atlanta up 28-9

(2:06) Stephen Gostkowski onside kickoff to the NE46. Onside kick recovered by receiving team by LaRoy Reynolds. Penalty: Illegal Touch on New England (Stephen Gostkowski) 5 yards.

1[SUP]st[/SUP] &10 at NE 41
(1:30) Matt Ryan pass to the left to Austin Hooper for 9 yards to the NE32. Tackled by Duron Harmon. Penalty: Holding on Atlanta (Jake Matthews) -10 yards.

2[SUP]nd[/SUP] &11 at NE 42
(0:59) Atlanta Falcons timeout.

2[SUP]nd[/SUP] &11 at NE 42
(0:59) Matt Ryan incomplete pass to the right intended for Austin Hooper defensed by Patrick Chung.

3[SUP]rd[/SUP] &11 at NE 42
(0:52) Matt Ryan sacked at Atl 49 for a loss of 9 yards by Kyle Van Noy and Trey Flowers.

4[SUP]th[/SUP] & 25 at Atl 44
(15:00) Matt Bosher punts for 42 yards to NE14. Patrick Chung return for a loss of 1 yard to NE13. Tackled by Justin Hardy.

 

[Acebb]

The play he is talking about is on the previous drive. It was 3rd and 1 and Hightower got the sack/fumble.

To say they definitely should've run there is pushing it IMO.

The clock is your ally! I get what you're saying, but you bleed almost a minute there between the 2 plays.

Honestly, on some level I can understand throwing the ball, but what I don't understand is calling a slow developing play with a 5 step drop. You need 1 yard. Call something that gets the ball out quickly. Whatever you call, the QB shouldn't be holding the ball long enough for NE to get there.

I see what you're saying, but your center has a broken leg and the Pats defense was playing much better. All you have to do is take a minute of the clock.

 

[PatsFan1283]

This is just horrendous. Look at this sequence:

3[SUP]rd[/SUP] Q with Atlanta up 28-9

(2:06) Stephen Gostkowski onside kickoff to the NE46. Onside kick recovered by receiving team by LaRoy Reynolds. Penalty: Illegal Touch on New England (Stephen Gostkowski) 5 yards.

1[SUP]st[/SUP] &10 at NE 41
(1:30) Matt Ryan pass to the left to Austin Hooper for 9 yards to the NE32. Tackled by Duron Harmon. Penalty: Holding on Atlanta (Jake Matthews) -10 yards.

2[SUP]nd[/SUP] &11 at NE 42
(0:59) Atlanta Falcons timeout.

2[SUP]nd[/SUP] &11 at NE 42
(0:59) Matt Ryan incomplete pass to the right intended for Austin Hooper defensed by Patrick Chung.

3[SUP]rd[/SUP] &11 at NE 42
(0:52) Matt Ryan sacked at Atl 49 for a loss of 9 yards by Kyle Van Noy and Trey Flowers.

4[SUP]th[/SUP] & 25 at Atl 44
(15:00) Matt Bosher punts for 42 yards to NE14. Patrick Chung return for a loss of 1 yard to NE13. Tackled by Justin Hardy.

That was the drive before. 2nd and 11 up 28-9 a little too early to be killing clock. Tons of time left in the game. Passing and going for the jugular is fine there to me.

They were averaging 12-13 yards a pass, tough to start thinking about the clock that early.

Especially given how wild 4th quarters of superbowls have been recently. I don't mind staying aggressive there.

I think all that stuff is nitpicking compared to the throwing on 2nd and 11 at the 23 on their final drive.