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Toronto Maple Leafs -.5 -135
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Toronto is finally 99% healthy after an entire season of having numerous key injuries that has limited their production and point total. Only Wade Belak remains on the I.R. but even he has been cleared for contact and should be back in less than two weeks. Still with all the adversity this team has gone through they find themselves only two points out of first in the east and home ice advantage throughout the playoffs until the Stanley Cup Final. And if superstars like Owen Nolan, Mats Sundin, Alex Mogilny, Gary Roberts, Darcy Tucker, etc. aren’t enough of a offensive threat all the Maple Leafs do is add a two time Norris Trophy winner, (top defenseman), Brian Leetch. Leetch was traded for basically prospects from Toronto as the Rangers unloaded four top players in the last three days from their roster in an attempt to trim the hefty payroll they have carried all season long. Leetch will add scoring punch to what is already the league’s fifth most proficient scoring offense.

Toronto has Ed Belfour back and the team has responded with two dominant victories over the New Jersey Devils and the Boston Bruins, (don’t let the 3-2 score against the B’s fool you. The game wasn’t as close as the score seems.) In both games the Maple Leafs came out flying and with playoff type of intensity quickly taking the leads in both games and allowing themselves to dictate control of the entire game. From what I’ve seen in those two games THIS is the team everyone better by concerned with. But as goes Ed Belfour, so goes the Leafs. Their cup hopes ride on the health of his back, (both figuratively and literally).

The Islanders battle for the last spot in the playoffs and with a eight point cushion over the Sabres and Panthers making the post season is highly likely. But when you look at their last thirteen games you see a pattern of mediocre play that is the last thing they need coming down the home stretch. In those 13 games only four times have they come away with a win. All four victories are against sub .500 teams. Two of the leagues absolute worst, Phoenix and Pittsburgh and two wins against the Buffalo Sabres.

In the last seven meetings between the two at Toronto the Maple Leafs have gone 6-0-1.



Boston Bruins -.5 -158

I got this game when the numbers first came up on Pinnacle and as soon as I heard about the Brian Leetch deal depleting this Ranger squad of almost all the talent that was left. I’ve noticed that Pinnacle has taken the number “off line” soon after I made the bet and they still haven’t put it back up. (Olympic doesn’t have it listed as well) I have no idea what number they will eventually put up. But if the number does come up any where around -170 or less I’d still recommend the play.

This play is a simple one. The Rangers have dealt away Petr Nedved, goalie Jussi Markkanen, Alexei Kovalev, and Brian Leetch in the last three days. With the loss of these top players and with Eric Lindros, Pavel Bure, Darius Kasparaitis, Vladimir Malakhov, and numerous others on the I.R. you have to wonder what’s left? In a nutshell it leaves three people to worry about. Jagr, Holik, and Messier. And you have to question what their moods will be like with the fire sale going on around them. Even when they had some help around them the Rangers had only won 5 games since the 19th of January and going 5-16.

The Bruins are playing well, fighting for the eastern conference’s best record, and setting up for a long post season campaign. The Rangers just want this nightmare of a season to be done.



NHL single unit plays………73-53-6.…..+ 19.92
Unit and a half plays…………10-2-1.…. + 12.195

NHL total to Date…………….83-55-7.……+ 32.115
 

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why in sam hills tarnation did the rangers take on Jagr...what a bunch of idiots...

Vic if you had to put a number on it, what % chance do you think there will be a work stoppage next year?
 

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Islanders vs.Leafs


"I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE THIS GAME!"

Islanders circling the drain.


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The Rangers are like the kid down the block that had every toy there was. You know, the one you hated but wished it was you. I believe they simply had too much money and are trying to be hockey’s equivalent to the evil empire but Sather is no Steinbrenner.


In all seriousness they must have believed that they had a shot at making the playoffs and with all their injuries gave it one more try. In my opinion if they had gone after a Kolzig or another quality goalie rather than more offense they would have had a much greater chance.

As far as the percentage on a work stoppage…..You know what I hate about all sports? Talking about the finances of it. Salary caps, contracts, how much these guys get for signing bonuses, big market, small market….strike? What are these people thinking? Shaq gets suspended for a game and has to forfeit his one game salary….. of $295,000.00???? A third of a million dollars for what? Two hours of “work”? I know people that work, (REALLY work), for a decade, for LESS. It’s obscene and it makes me friggin’ crazy to read a sports page and the top three stories have nothing to do with sports.

Steroids? Make them legal to athletes and allow them to ingest so much their heads pop like a balloon. In the mean time we get to watch 700 foot homers into the bay and when they drop dead rounding second, we’ll just call up the next roid’o’bot from the rotisserie to take his place.

My point is I love sports but my heart has been broken too many times with numerous baseball strikes. After awhile out of self defense you become hardened to it and you tell yourself you just don’t care. Life goes on.
I try not to think about next year but of course I do. And as you hear the rumors about Forsberg signing contracts and others planning their future in case of a lock out you have to wonder is this strategical jousting or earnest preparation for the inevitable. Can these people be so stubborn and self destructive when the sport they play is suffering so badly financially? After all we aren’t talking the NFL here.

You know I hear Target is hiring in case these guys want to know what working for a living really means.
 

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I echo ur sentiments exactly...

The reason I was asking about the lockout is cauz OLYMPIC has a prop +350 that there will not be a lock out...Meaning you get +350 that the games will start as scheduled in October of next year.

Here is the Prop as worded at OLYMPIC:

6/1/2004 12:00 PM Will the NHL Lock the players out If 2004/05 Regular Season doesn't start on scheduled starting date. Yes is the winning wager (Regular Players) Any bets after Public Knowledge of Yes or No for Lockout are voided wagers. Max wager $200 per customer, regardless of line movement.
601 Yes -450
602 No +350

Now here is my thinking on this, as you know at odds of +350 you would only need to hit 1 of every 4 bets to make money. Now I realize sentiment is bad right now, thus the odds are inflated...I have to beleive, however, that during the summer, sentiments will improve & they will find a way to get a deal done. After all a lockout will KILL this sport beyond the point of recovery & the owners aswell as the players must be aware of this.

Even if you think that there is a 65% chance of a lockout at this point it would still make the +350 a sharp bet from a mathematical standpoint.

thoughts?
 

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I believe they will come to their senses and resolve this thing before they shoot themselves in the foot.

However I’m not up on all the real issues of this subject. I have a hard enough time capping tonight’s games than trying to understand the contractual intricacies of a working agreement between some NHL board of directors and players union executives.

I also have a problem in tying up a stake on a future that won’t be decided for another seven months. And for two reasons. (A) It’s not like a future bet on baseball where every day during the course of that seven months you have some measure of action and interest. Will you actually be reduced to reading every column there is on the latest meeting or name calling tirade between the bargaining powers of the new labor agreement? Give me a box score any day over that! (B) I live in Vegas and whenever I make a future bet, somewhere deep down inside I ask myself, are these guys going to be in business to cash a ticket when and if I’m fortunate enough to win it? Case in point….I have a NBA championship ticket on the Detroit Pistons at the Horseshoe. Binions is presently reduced to “Do Not Cross” police lines and closed doors. I never would have thought their soap opera would have ended like this otherwise I never would have made the bet. BUT at least here you have something called a Gaming Control Board that will assure me of getting my money IF they win the whole thing, (I’m not holding my breath on that one!).

I’m not saying Olympic will close shop in the next few months and who knows they probably are more solvent than half the casinos in Vegas but do we really know that’s a fact? Whenever my account balance gets a bit fat I’m withdrawing pronto. I can always put more in if my fortune goes south. Unfortunately I trust no one any more.

So in a short answer to your question I would say I have no true idea whether they will strike/lock out or not. I just hope they have the brains not to and as a fan I‘ll watch with interest. After all I have a stake in the outcome. But it won’t be financial!
 

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