NFL conspiracy theory

[thesource]

In actuality I don't believe the NFL is fixed but I do think their might be some outside entities influencing some games... got to be because these cappers are fricken unbelievable. At least this is a great discussion topic.

two examples of unreal capping by vegas was the second half lines for the GB/Cowboys game. Line was Dallas 5.5. Score for 18-13. Fricken unreal!! The second game KC/Pittsburgh, KC was a 2.5 favorite. Score for second half was KC 9-6. Lightning strikes again. These guys are good!!!

 

[SaintsFan1977]

In actuality I don't believe the NFL is fixed but I do think their might be some outside entities influencing some games... got to be because these cappers are fricken unbelievable. At least this is a great discussion topic.

two examples of unreal capping by vegas was the second half lines for the GB/Cowboys game. Line was Dallas 5.5. Score for 18-13. Fricken unreal!! The second game KC/Pittsburgh, KC was a 2.5 favorite. Score for second half was KC 9-6. Lightning strikes again. These guys are good!!!

So with that manilpulation or outside influence how is it possible for the officals alone to do this? My opinion is that they arent alone. Players and/or coaches are involved. The only way a team can keep from going over/under a total is with play calling. Call a run play during an obvious 3rd and long etc. Get called a dumbass by fans. Collect paycheck on Monday morning.

Im not delusional for thinking this way. I couldnt post the youtube video, but a Seahawk player gave a Denver defender a thumbs up for him to tackle high, while he went low in SB 50. Thats not an anomaly.

 

[jimmythegreek]

national football entertainment

 

[KingEleven]

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[ofred]

In actuality I don't believe the NFL is fixed but I do think their might be some outside entities influencing some games... got to be because these cappers are fricken unbelievable. At least this is a great discussion topic.

two examples of unreal capping by vegas was the second half lines for the GB/Cowboys game. Line was Dallas 5.5. Score for 18-13. Fricken unreal!! The second game KC/Pittsburgh, KC was a 2.5 favorite. Score for second half was KC 9-6. Lightning strikes again. These guys are good!!!

Isolated incidents do not prove that outside entities influence games. You have to include all the thousands of times that cappers, or bettors, get it completely wrong. If we're talking only football, and all the myriad of bets over a season, then I'd wager that the great majority of bettors/ cappers are hovering between 45-55%. The books employ some of the best statistical experts in the world, and make their money not on fixing games, but on playing the odds of certain events happening…that and the herd mentality of the public.

 

[ofred]

So with that manilpulation or outside influence how is it possible for the officals alone to do this? My opinion is that they arent alone. Players and/or coaches are involved. The only way a team can keep from going over/under a total is with play calling. Call a run play during an obvious 3rd and long etc. Get called a dumbass by fans. Collect paycheck on Monday morning.

Im not delusional for thinking this way. I couldnt post the youtube video, but a Seahawk player gave a Denver defender a thumbs up for him to tackle high, while he went low in SB 50. Thats not an anomaly.

There's some great literature out there of the odds of these conspiracies, that include many conspirators, of staying undiscovered. Nearly impossible to keep all the folks quiet who would be part of your conspiracy. Or their family, friends or associates at the local bar. Factor in all that the NFL would lose in credibility, criminal convictions, and massive loss of revenue, and I'm afraid you're fishing in the air.

 

[SaintsFan1977]

Isolated incidents do not prove that outside entities influence games. You have to include all the thousands of times that cappers, or bettors, get it completely wrong. If we're talking only football, and all the myriad of bets over a season, then I'd wager that the great majority of bettors/ cappers are hovering between 45-55%. The books employ some of the best statistical experts in the world, and make their money not on fixing games, but on playing the odds of certain events happening…that and the herd mentality of the public.

I dont believe there is computer or human in the world that can use stats to figure out if a tipped pass will result in an INT or how many off-sides calls happen in a game. A tipped pass that results in an INT is luck of where the defender is, but calls on the field are done by humans. Nothing can predict Brady throwing a pick vs Houston or Deion Lewis fumbling. If Brady and Lewis turned it over on purpose for Houston to cover the first half, there are only 3 people in the world that would know. The 2 players and the person that paid them to do it.

Im not saying they did it on purpose. Im using it as an example. I dont care what super computer and statistical experts there are. Humans play the game and when there is alot of money at stake, something will happen that no statisticians can predict. The games are played to gamble on. No other reason. Not for ticket sales, jerseys, or other BS. It was invented to gamble on. If Im an owner gambling on the games, you better believe my team or someone else make sure my bet wins.

 

[SaintsFan1977]

There's some great literature out there of the odds of these conspiracies, that include many conspirators, of staying undiscovered. Nearly impossible to keep all the folks quiet who would be part of your conspiracy. Or their family, friends or associates at the local bar. Factor in all that the NFL would lose in credibility, criminal convictions, and massive loss of revenue, and I'm afraid you're fishing in the air.

Thats the herd thinking. How many college scandals of game fixing have occurred that we know of? You believe the buck stops there? If 50 thieves are caught, is there no more burglary?

If one NFL game was fixed since its inception, then chances are there were many more.

 

[MackDonald]

One thing that is "conspiracy" oriented is the politics that has filtered into the game of professional football.....Players required to wear pink ribbons and jock straps or kneeling during the national anthem or when a player beats-up his wife it becomes a capital offense for the league to deal with (do we still have courts of law)....Cut out the crap out and play football.

 

[ofred]

I dont believe there is computer or human in the world that can use stats to figure out if a tipped pass will result in an INT or how many off-sides calls happen in a game. A tipped pass that results in an INT is luck of where the defender is, but calls on the field are done by humans. Nothing can predict Brady throwing a pick vs Houston or Deion Lewis fumbling. If Brady and Lewis turned it over on purpose for Houston to cover the first half, there are only 3 people in the world that would know. The 2 players and the person that paid them to do it.

Im not saying they did it on purpose. Im using it as an example. I dont care what super computer and statistical experts there are. Humans play the game and when there is alot of money at stake, something will happen that no statisticians can predict. The games are played to gamble on. No other reason. Not for ticket sales, jerseys, or other BS. It was invented to gamble on. If Im an owner gambling on the games, you better believe my team or someone else make sure my bet wins.

Your reply is beyond jaded or cyclical, it is lacking evidence of any kind. So are you saying the game was invented only for gambling, and that 32 owners pay hundreds of millions to own an NFL team just so that they could gamble for or against their team, and that a few players here and there are fixing games, and maybe paying off some refs, and league officials, and team officials, and law enforcement, and god knows anyone else that was part of a scheme, that this sounds like a likely scenario? Let's use your example: Let's say that only 3 people are in the fix- Brady and Lewis, who then get orders from owner Robert Kraft that they better turn the ball over in the 1st half so that he can win a bet for $100,000 or a million? These bets are placed by someone connected to Kraft whom is so inconspicuous that Vegas has no idea who he is betting for. Do you realize how goofy your premise sounds?

 

[SaintsFan1977]

Your reply is beyond jaded or cyclical, it is lacking evidence of any kind. So are you saying the game was invented only for gambling, and that 32 owners pay hundreds of millions to own an NFL team just so that they could gamble for or against their team, and that a few players here and there are fixing games, and maybe paying off some refs, and league officials, and team officials, and law enforcement, and god knows anyone else that was part of a scheme, that this sounds like a likely scenario? Let's use your example: Let's say that only 3 people are in the fix- Brady and Lewis, who then get orders from owner Robert Kraft that they better turn the ball over in the 1st half so that he can win a bet for $100,000 or a million? These bets are placed by someone connected to Kraft whom is so inconspicuous that Vegas has no idea who he is betting for. Do you realize how goofy your premise sounds?

Yes. But it doesnt change my stance that I believe some games are fixed.

 

[OfficialSono]

Did anyone catch that Papa John's commercial at the end of the Dallas/GB that featured Antonio Brown and Malcolm Butler competing against each other off the field and then on (AB beating Malcolm for a TD). How did Papa John know to match those two up before the KC/Pittsburgh game started. I'll tell you how, they knew who was going to win that game before it was played. That commercial was suppose to be release after the KC/Pittsburgh game, and it would have if the game was still the early game, but the NFL changed the game time from 1:00 to 8:30. The NFL forgot to remind the networks to change the time to run that commercial. So seeing that I changed my bet from KC to Pittsburgh. The NFL is fixed!!!

That commercial was released on thanksgiving. hno:

 

[BIlls68]

yes fix happens but is easy for my mind to rationalize a wrong play that i did not handicap or placing a bet on a team i never follow. its my go to denial that i npicked a lemon. human error on all parts of the game make it seem like a fix is in. we dont know whose wife is being fucked while the husband is on the field, theres too many mental aspects we dont know about that can make it look like the guys doin it on purpose.

 

[BIlls68]

early football was definitley fixed with mob ties. check out owner history

 

[SaintsFan1977]

early football was definitley fixed with mob ties. check out owner history

And their kids now own the teams. Im pretty sure pops taught them "how to run the business" before he died.

 

[fballgenius]

Reading some posts in this thread makes me want to smack some people's parents for not using birth control.

wang, my thoughts exactly. These people be crae.

 

[Baronman]

wang, my thoughts exactly. These people be crae.

wang whats your parents adress please

 

[tulah]

early football was definitley fixed with mob ties. check out owner history

:toast:
NFL is fixed

 

[MackDonald]

early football was definitley fixed with mob ties. check out owner history

They say that George Halas was a real s.o.b. when it came to paying his players.....tighter than a virgin's pu-ssy.

 

[Slurve~Ball]

Does the following commercial mean we can expect to see Brady on the field at the SB??

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...intel-commercial-to-air-on-super-bowl-sunday/

Just the fact that his endorsement deals alone squash Big Ben's means he'll probably be there anyways.