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It's no coincidence that a couple of the biggest recent changes in Las Vegas table-game pits make some of those games even tougher to beat, industry experts said.

The tightening up of table-game rules and payouts makes it clear that the Strip is no longer the best place to place a bet, at least from a bettor's perspective, they agree.

"Las Vegas can no longer be said to have the best gaming rules for table games," Casino odds expert Michael Shackleford said. "There are a lot of places that offer better rules than Las Vegas, including almost every major American gaming jurisdiction."

The biggest Las Vegas table game trend is the accelerating replacement of traditional blackjack games that pay 3-to-2 for a natural 21 with games that pay either 6-to-5 or even money, casino consultant and "Comp City" author Max Rubin said.

Other recent trends that significantly add to casinos' house edge include a major payout change on many of the state's 3-card poker games and rules changes that boost the hold percentage on low-limit blackjack games on the Strip, Rubin said.

The changes make some sense from an operator's perspective, he said.

"Lower-stakes players really don't know the difference," Rubin said.

Blackjack games paying less than the traditional 3-to-2 for a natural are becoming more and more popular, he said; many casinos that introduced one or two of the games are adding a couple more.

The games have signs touting "Super Fun 21" or "Single Deck Blackjack," and Rubin said the games aren't all bad for players.

"There is a value in these games," he said. "It's a great way to learn, and the 6-to-5 games play a bit slower than traditional 21 games, making for a better social game."

Of course, seasoned blackjack players wouldn't get caught playing these games, and that's another plus for the casinos, he said.

"For the operators, the advantage is two-fold: They get a bigger expected hold (from the smaller blackjack payouts) and they don't have to watch these games very closely," Rubin said. "The house edge is so strong that the (card counters and other advantage gamblers) won't play."

Rubin said the danger for operators is that they'll be blinded by the low-payout game's high hold percentage and fail to catch a corresponding drop in the game's wagering action, leading to a declining win.

Shackleford said the new blackjack games are part of an overall trend of stingier rules in Las Vegas table-game pits.

"My advice is simple: Never play any blackjack game that doesn't pay 3-to-2 for blackjack," Shackleford said.

A blackjack rule change Shackleford cited that has gradually been taking hold on the Strip is mainly confined to low-limit tables, he said.

"A lot of the Strip properties have switched their low-limit games, having the dealer hit a soft 17 (ace and a six) rather than stand," he said.

At the MGM Grand, for example, the property's $5 blackjack tables now require the dealer to hit a soft 17, a change that adds a 0.2 percent advantage to the house's existing edge.

"Players at those limits often (wrongly) think it's better for the dealer to hit a soft 17," Rubin said. "Why offer something the player doesn't value?"

Blackjack remains the No.1 table game on Silver State casino floors. Over the most recent 12-month period measured by the Nevada Gaming Control Board, the state's 3,372 blackjack tables won $1.12 billion, up 0.09 percent.

Among the other popular table games offered in Nevada casinos, 3-card poker reported the biggest jump in win, the amount lost by gamblers.

The 111 Nevada casinos that offer 3-card poker won $116 million from bettors over the most recent 12 months, up 54.2 percent.

Rubin said the game is getting more popular, but the jump can also be explained by a rule change made by most state casinos.

The game paid 4-to-1 for flushes at most casinos, but almost all Nevada properties now offer 3-to-1 payouts.

The payout reduction has a big effect on 3-card poker's expected house advantage, as it balloons from 2.32 percent on the basic "pairplus" bet to 7.28 percent, Rubin said. He cited numbers obtained from Shackleford's consumer-oriented Web site, www.wizardofodds.com, which offers advice and strategy for a wide range of casino games.

Shackleford said he was just in Biloxi, Miss., and every 3-card poker game he saw had a 4-to-1 payout for flushes, compared with the Strip, where most places now offer 3-to-1.

Rubin said 3-card poker players typically play the game the way slot players gamble, sitting down and playing until they lose their stake or make a big score.

One of the biggest trends in casino gaming is the emergence of poker as a profit center, Rubin said. The Barona Valley Ranch Casino, a San Diego tribal property he consults for, recently doubled the size of its poker room.

Rubin said the entire casino industry is amazed at the recent growth in poker, crediting the World Poker Tour and Internet poker sites for fueling the boom.

The trend applies to Las Vegas and everywhere else, he said.

"Poker is the monstrous trend right now," he said,. "We had hoped to break even (on poker) but we're making a lot of money. Poker's caught the public's imagination. They can see on TV that it's not all math whizzes winning."

Nevada's 56 casinos and clubs that offer poker won $65 million on the game during the most recent 12-month period that ended Oct. 31, a 12.2 percent increase.@@
 

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fairest game to wager on is mumblepeg found behind el torro bar in tijuana, mex. no vig!
 

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Vegas isn't just about gambling anymore. It's about tourism. Every major resort has theme parks, malls, fast-food courts, and things for kids to do. Vegas is catering to the convention crowd and to families. Gambling is just another attraction now, not the main one as it used to be.
 

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Old Ballgame- What you said is basically correct although there aren't any theme parks. The MGM closed that piece of s**t they used to call a theme park last year. The only thing close to any kind of amusement park is Wet and Wild and that will be closing at the end of next summer as the land it's on has been sold.

Las Vegas got out of the gambling business quite some time ago. The $50 room is now $100. The $6 buffet is now $12 and the $40 show is now $80. The hotels made these changes when the gambling profile of the average visitor started to change. They're going to get their money one way or another. The casinos could pay even money on blackjacks and the $2 and $5 table would still be full with the rubes. Shortening up the blackjack payout only chases away the counter or the sharp player and they don't want that action anyway. When the sportsbooks stopped gambling, 90% of the wise guys left town or stopped betting in the sportsbooks and that's exactly what they wanted.

No matter how much Las Vegas casinos tighten up any kind of game, the squares will still play them. Here's a perfect example. Back in the late 80's when Art Manteris was mismanaging the Las Vegas Hilton sportsbook, he went to -120 on NBA totals and the handle on their NBA totals betting stayed basically the same for the last half of the season plus playoffs. The next season they went back to -110. I'm not sure why but that just shows that no matter what the casinos do to give the customer the worst of it, 40 million suckers will come to this armpit of America in 2004.
 

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Agree with Bob on many points.
Most gamblers are so stupid, they don't have a clue when walking up to the table. Many people are so stupid they couldn't even tell you if 3-2 or 6-5 is better, honestly. I hate to see it come to this, but most of these games are unplayable for those with a clue and mathematically inclined.
As for the sportsbooks, I can count on one hand the number of bets I've place in a Vegas book this year. And I live two minutes from the Strip (that is if I walk slow).
A guy at work asked me where I bet, and he was amazed that they had offshore internet sportsbooks.
Really, the majority of the public has zero clue how to win, and will never win because they are uneducated, ignorant and don't want to take the time to learn.
 

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"Theme Park" was probably the wrong phrase. Each casino has a theme or gimmick of some kind that draws tourists, such as Treasure Island's pirate show. They're catering to middle-class America now, and almost every one of them has a food court, mall-type shops, and some sort of amusements for kids. The new ones are all pushing their properties further away from the Strip and becoming self-contained as far as services offered to encourage guests to stay on property (which was also the idea when the casinos were the major attraction).
 

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Old Ballgame- Unfortunately the pirate show is no more. It closed in July and the MGM-Mirage corporation which now owns the Treasure Island has also pretty much taken the pirate theme out of the hotel as well. That's a shame because the pirate show was really good and I liked the decor inside the Treasure Island on the few occasions that I was in there.
 

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i was in vegas for the t-giving weekend.

i played BJ at a 3-2 table and had no problems. i do agree vegas got out of the gambling biz some time ago.

good luck finding a casino that offers 1st 1/2 betting on an nba game! or a casino that offer BOTH an m/l and puck line on hockey games.

as for the pirate show - it used to be you could stand across the street at the dump motel and see it all - then they put in palm trees in the island in the middle of the street and that took care of that.

now - the only time i go to vegas is to see my sister (and bro-in-law) - and my 6-year-old nephew.
 

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Pray tell- where is a better place in the land to live for a gambler?? If you follow don best you would realize that during the past two months Vegas joints have offered more of a diversity of numbers than offshore. Many BS table game rules, but who gives a shit? Since I really enjoy my pool, can't see living in Green Bay or Newark.
 

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If you valet at Barbary Coast you cant make a simple lefthand turn, instead you have to make 3 left turns that take you 2 miles from where you want to go. They turned the best health club in town into a strip bar. Takes 25 minutes to drive a half mile, you have white trash chain smoking in your face 24 hours a day. I dont get craps, you have 5 grease balls pit crew staring at you begging for money. You cant sit in a sportsbook and watch a game without having some guy with a 5 dollar parlay scream and cheer in your ear on every first down or slam dunk. By the time you get a good count in blackjack they shuffle with 60% of the deck left. IF you valet your car at the MGM expect to get it back 40 minutes after you turn your ticket in. Town is a complete sewer. I stopped going to clubs 10 years ago but I here girls dont like white guys there anymore.
 

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You STILL hold the title of "Most Moronic Poster On The Board" CONGRATS, sweetheart.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Railbird:
If you valet at Barbary Coast you cant make a simple lefthand turn, instead you have to make 3 left turns that take you 2 miles from where you want to go. They turned the best health club in town into a strip bar. Takes 25 minutes to drive a half mile, you have white trash chain smoking in your face 24 hours a day. I dont get craps, you have 5 grease balls pit crew staring at you begging for money. You cant sit in a sportsbook and watch a game without having some guy with a 5 dollar parlay scream and cheer in your ear on every first down or slam dunk. By the time you get a good count in blackjack they shuffle with 60% of the deck left. IF you valet your car at the MGM expect to get it back 40 minutes after you turn your ticket in. Town is a complete sewer. I stopped going to clubs 10 years ago but I here girls dont like white guys there anymore.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Sorry RAIL BUT LAS VEGAS RULES!
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The part that bothers me the most with railbirds description of Vegas,is them taking the health club behind the Stardust and making it into a strip club.What is that town coming to
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