Then call us fools...
Thanks for the suggestions on the payments, guys. Its appreciated. Since we're a legal non-profit we don't feel it appropriate to link our personal accounts and move money, etc but we will find a way to make Neteller and/or other processors happen.
Only a fool...Hmmm.
We can't just sit back and hope Congress won't ban online gaming. THAT would be foolish. Telling them not to ban it and not offering a solution only keeps this issue very much alive until one day it is finally passed. Naturally we want to defeat HR-4411 and that will be our primary focus. But we need to prepare a fight that will stop this legal wrangling once and for all. We will be prepared explain the benefits to this nation by legalizing all forms of online gambling. Its a process that has been done in other great nations...we should be next. NROG won't sit back and wait. We simply can't.
Thanks again,
Jay Bailey
Thanks for the suggestions on the payments, guys. Its appreciated. Since we're a legal non-profit we don't feel it appropriate to link our personal accounts and move money, etc but we will find a way to make Neteller and/or other processors happen.
Only a fool...Hmmm.
We can't just sit back and hope Congress won't ban online gaming. THAT would be foolish. Telling them not to ban it and not offering a solution only keeps this issue very much alive until one day it is finally passed. Naturally we want to defeat HR-4411 and that will be our primary focus. But we need to prepare a fight that will stop this legal wrangling once and for all. We will be prepared explain the benefits to this nation by legalizing all forms of online gambling. Its a process that has been done in other great nations...we should be next. NROG won't sit back and wait. We simply can't.
Thanks again,
Jay Bailey
“The wise one,” (The Owl) is suggesting that “THE GOAL” is for a passive government, which supports an individual’s freedom of choice encompassed within the liberties to trade freely… again, your objectives support the oppressive addition of laws, taxes and regulations (government intervention) upon commerce (trade) which should be free to consumers.
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Damn, Slotech, what flavor was the kool-aid?Slotech said:“The wise one,” (The Owl) is suggesting that “THE GOAL” is for a passive government, which supports an individual’s freedom of choice encompassed within the liberties to trade freely… again, your objectives support the oppressive addition of laws, taxes and regulations (government intervention) upon commerce (trade) which should be free to consumers.
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Without any organized resistance to this pending legislation, the enactment of laws which you state restrict "the liberties to trade freely" are sure to follow. Legal free trade in this country is taxed and that will not change. It's not Utopia, but I can live with a legalized and regulated online gambling industry in the US.
Alternatively, what is your realistic and practical solution?
It is understood that we will meet much resistance in this fight. Not only from the politicians and industries supporting a ban, but also from those like "The Wise One" and Slotech that simply wish for a better world without laws and regulations. Small government is beautiful. But while a lawless world may seem swell, NROG will move forward with our fight and respectfully disagree with that mentality. No action=No Gambling Online. That's a FACT and it simply something we are not willing to accept.
NROG - thanks for responding here.
I did donate 100 to you guys today and would do much more. But from a marketing standpoint, let me tell you how you could get much more interest while looking much more professional.
1. On your "membership" page, you list amounts and levels of membership with cute names. What the hell do these mean? Most places will say "associate member gets you xxx". I have no idea what my membership even means other than I gave you guys 100 bucks.
2. When I as a consumer donate, it bounces you to paypal and thats it. Its like I pay you and there isnt even a confirmation that I am now a member. The whole thing is very strange, afterwards I was very suspicious that my hundred bucks was on its way to Nigeria.
3. I got no email from you saying anything about becoming a member or donating. Once again, no acknowledgement that I even donated.
Dont get me wrong, Im not looking for anything cute for being a member. But if you offer different levels of donations and call them different things, the least you could do is explain it and make someone feel comfortable that wants to give.
I would give a lot more if I were convinced that it was going to the right place, as Im sure lots would.
I would love it if you would respond in this forum.
Thanks
I did donate 100 to you guys today and would do much more. But from a marketing standpoint, let me tell you how you could get much more interest while looking much more professional.
1. On your "membership" page, you list amounts and levels of membership with cute names. What the hell do these mean? Most places will say "associate member gets you xxx". I have no idea what my membership even means other than I gave you guys 100 bucks.
2. When I as a consumer donate, it bounces you to paypal and thats it. Its like I pay you and there isnt even a confirmation that I am now a member. The whole thing is very strange, afterwards I was very suspicious that my hundred bucks was on its way to Nigeria.
3. I got no email from you saying anything about becoming a member or donating. Once again, no acknowledgement that I even donated.
Dont get me wrong, Im not looking for anything cute for being a member. But if you offer different levels of donations and call them different things, the least you could do is explain it and make someone feel comfortable that wants to give.
I would give a lot more if I were convinced that it was going to the right place, as Im sure lots would.
I would love it if you would respond in this forum.
Thanks
NROG said:
Let's NOT be confused here...
"The Wise One" NEVER indicated that the world would be better WITHOUT laws and regulations...let alone mention anything about how "swell a lawless world" may be...unfortunately, these are interpretations, perceptions, exaggerations fabricated by NROG.
So let's clearify:
The Wise One, has three views of Government intervention with regard to social gaming commerce:
1. Government can profit from social gaming commerce, while controlling it with laws, taxes and regulations.
2. Government can assume the costs associated with attempting to prohibit social gaming commerce.
3. Government can ignore social gaming commerce.
Now, which is the BEST OVERALL OPTION for ALL participants becomes the question...of which the "Wise One" indicates to be #3 (FREE TRADE) regarding the gaming commerce issue...not to be extrapolated into some kind of "lawless world" confusion by NROG.
Let's further clarify that "The Wise One" supports FREE TRADE, including ALL resistance to ADDITIONAL LAWS, REGUALTIONS and TAXES upon social commerce...which unfortunately includes those proposed by NROG, while viewing NROG as an organization predicated upon its own self-interest and not that of the American gaming consumer by suggestion view #1 above to be the best option for our American gaming consumer.
In international trade, free trade is an idealized market model, often stated as a political objective, wherein trade of goods and services between countries flows unhindered by government-imposed artificial costs. Intellectually, this arrangement is supported by followers of the neoclassical and microeconomic schools of thought. It is opposed by anti-globalization and labour due to perceived tendencies for abuse by wealthier states.
The term is given to economic policies, as well as political parties that support increases in such trade.
Free trade is a concept in economics and government, encompassing:
- International trade of goods without tariffs (taxes on imports) or other trade barriers (e.g., quotas on imports)
- International trade in services without tariffs or other trade barriers
- The free movement of labour between countries
- The free movement of capital between countries
- The absence of trade-distorting policies (such as taxes, subsidies, regulations or laws) that give domestic firms, households or factors of production an advantage over foreign ones
- Trade-distorting policies to enforce property rights so as to ensure the above conditions
Great questions about the NROG Membership process. As I mentioned before our website is a work in progress and is more of a "starting point" while we finish the actual nrog.org site. With all that has been happening on this issue we rushed to get something out so we could speed up our fight. Originally we were rolling everything out later this year under guidance from our DC agencies who advised us that more than likely this issue will not come up for vote before Congress breaks for elections. That being said we have a lot of work to do to get up and running smoothly.
The donation process right now is a bit vague and we apologize. We have been toying with the idea of merchandise but lets be honest do you really need another keychain or membership card? Those things take dollars from our strategic plan and don't really help our cause. We VERY MUCH want to reward donors though so we've been working on, what I believe, is a very unique system. Here it is in a nutshell:
For every donation you make to NROG you will be given between 50%-100% match into a participating poker site. We have a few sites that we have almost finished the procses with and once we do they will be available on our website under the different membership levels. Before you ask...everything we do WILL BE retroactive. That means for your very generous donation you will receive $50-$100 toward another site.
We're also still streamlining the membership response process at NROG. I looked into your concern about not hearing back from us and saw that you were sent a welcome email thanking you for your donation at around 2:33 yesterday afternoon (EST). I will have it resent and apologize if you did not receive it. We have been gettig great press all around the web in the last few days and because of it our membership has been soaring. We'll iron out the kinks and thank you all for your continued support and patience. Rest assured your money is not headed for Nigeria
I would love to get feedback on other sites we may be able to post on. We have a team that we've brought in to do just that but until they get up to speed your help is appreciated. Email me directly jay@nrog.org
Thanks.
Jay Bailey
Dir. of Development
National Right For Online Gaming
a 501(c) Non-Profit Organization
The donation process right now is a bit vague and we apologize. We have been toying with the idea of merchandise but lets be honest do you really need another keychain or membership card? Those things take dollars from our strategic plan and don't really help our cause. We VERY MUCH want to reward donors though so we've been working on, what I believe, is a very unique system. Here it is in a nutshell:
For every donation you make to NROG you will be given between 50%-100% match into a participating poker site. We have a few sites that we have almost finished the procses with and once we do they will be available on our website under the different membership levels. Before you ask...everything we do WILL BE retroactive. That means for your very generous donation you will receive $50-$100 toward another site.
We're also still streamlining the membership response process at NROG. I looked into your concern about not hearing back from us and saw that you were sent a welcome email thanking you for your donation at around 2:33 yesterday afternoon (EST). I will have it resent and apologize if you did not receive it. We have been gettig great press all around the web in the last few days and because of it our membership has been soaring. We'll iron out the kinks and thank you all for your continued support and patience. Rest assured your money is not headed for Nigeria
I would love to get feedback on other sites we may be able to post on. We have a team that we've brought in to do just that but until they get up to speed your help is appreciated. Email me directly jay@nrog.org
Thanks.
Jay Bailey
Dir. of Development
National Right For Online Gaming
a 501(c) Non-Profit Organization
Jay,
In view of the fact that Frist intends to attach an internet gaming amendment to the defense spending bill ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...091301708.html ), your decision to organize and mobilize quickly was right on target.
As you may well know, attaching "minor", unrelated amendments to a major bill which requires an imminent vote is common practice in Congress. In this case, S.2507 and H.R.5122., WILL be brought to a vote before the scheduled October 6 recess.
What actions can NROG take immediately to fight this polotical tactic?
In view of the fact that Frist intends to attach an internet gaming amendment to the defense spending bill ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...091301708.html ), your decision to organize and mobilize quickly was right on target.
As you may well know, attaching "minor", unrelated amendments to a major bill which requires an imminent vote is common practice in Congress. In this case, S.2507 and H.R.5122., WILL be brought to a vote before the scheduled October 6 recess.
What actions can NROG take immediately to fight this polotical tactic?
Jay,
In view of the fact that Frist intends to attach an internet gaming amendment to the defense spending bill ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...091301708.html ), your decision to organize and mobilize quickly was right on target.
As you may well know, attaching "minor", unrelated amendments to a major bill which requires an imminent vote is common practice in Congress. In this case, S.2507 and H.R.5122., WILL be brought to a vote before the scheduled October 6 recess.
What actions can NROG take immediately to fight this political tactic?
In view of the fact that Frist intends to attach an internet gaming amendment to the defense spending bill ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...091301708.html ), your decision to organize and mobilize quickly was right on target.
As you may well know, attaching "minor", unrelated amendments to a major bill which requires an imminent vote is common practice in Congress. In this case, S.2507 and H.R.5122., WILL be brought to a vote before the scheduled October 6 recess.
What actions can NROG take immediately to fight this political tactic?
NROG said:
Jay - thanks for responding. I did receive an email that I will post at the end of this message. The confusing part for me was that I went to your website, donated the money, was directed to paypal, then went back and signed up with my name and email address under "registration". So I think I registered twice, one as a donating member and once as a nondonating member - and this email mentions nothing about membership and vaguely mentions donations and my confusion stemmed from the fact that you get no confirmation that your donation was received etc.... but yes I did get an email.
I appreciate your efforts and am thrilled that you are fighting this - and will be watching closely.
THANKS FOR YOUR EFFORT
Dear XXXX,
Thank you for taking the time to join The National Right for Online Gaming. We truly appreciate all the efforts you're making to support this very important cause. Your donation and your active support is sure to help us protect this basic right we have as Americans. Over the course of the last several weeks we have been fortunate enough to partner with some of the biggest organizations in the online gaming industry. One of our most important allies is the Poker Players Alliance of which you may already be familiar. We are incredibly proud of what the PPA has been able to accomplish in the last year and laud them for their continued fight on behalf of the poker players of this great nation. While we are working side by side with the PPA and numerous others we would like to briefly explain how NROG differs and why it is that we need your additional support.
NROG is a 501(c)4 Non-Profit Organization that is ready to fight on your behalf to defeat any and all legislation aimed at banning online gaming. We represent the ENTIRE scope of the online gaming industry, not just one sector. We are fully committed to protecting the rights of those who chose to play poker, slot machines, roulette, sports betting, state lotteries, dog racing, and every other form of current and future online gaming. Our message is simple. We will fight the United States Congress until they do what several great nations, including Great Britain, have already done and that is to Tax, Regulate and Monitor the online gaming industry. HR-4411 now sits before the U.S. Senate and could very well be brought up for vote leading into the fall elections. At NROG we don't believe it's time to cross our fingers and hope Congress doesn't act. We feel strongly that now is the time to begin building an educated army so when the vote comes, be it next month or next year, we will have hundreds of thousands of troops ready and willing to march into battle. We will stand up with one, loud voice and win this fight once and for all.
In the coming weeks you will notice a massive rollout of the NROG Strategic Plan to prepare for any battle Congress may decide to force upon us. Our steps include:
We will use every form of media to educate all Americans (radio, television, print, billboards, and online). Our marketing plan totals over $2 Million in the next three months.
We will request everyone join our fight the way you have by becoming registered members of the National Right for Online Gaming.
We will conduct a series of highly strategic national polling campaigns to help keep our message focused.
We will team up with proactive agencies in Washington DC and around the nation who want to fight this fight head on.
We will continue to build an incredibly educated army with projections of more than 200,000 members before the end of this year alone.
We will use highly targeted media campaigns to reach into swing states.
We will launch a series of nationally televised poker tournaments aimed at driving up membership and overall awareness.
And finally, when the time is right, we will take our entire army and our massive media assault right to the politician's doorstep in Washington DC.
We are the National Right For Online Gaming and we are committing ourselves to you today. We will be proactive in our fight. We will not sit back and trust Congress. We will press our agenda and fight to the end until all forms of online gaming are recognized as a legal right granted to all citizens. Thank you again for joining our organization. We ask for any and all support you can give. Lets stand up together as responsible Americans and once and for all let our voices be heard.
Sincerely Yours,
Brian Jakusik
Executive Director
Jay R. Bailey
Director of Development
