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LAS VEGAS - The state's 350 casinos won $819.5 million from gamblers in October, up 1.5 percent from $807.2 million in October 2002, the Gaming Control Board reported Wednesday.

Strip table game strength and better-than-expected results in Northern Nevada drove the positive comparisons.

Still, Gov. Kenny Guinn said the state's gaming win increase isn't keeping pace with the growth of the rest of Nevada's economy.

"I am encouraged with the state's overall growth and current economic trends; however, there is concern with gaming revenues lagging behind the rest of our economy," Guinn said in a statement. "Fiscal year-to-date gaming win has only increased 1.2 percent over last year. To meet our projections for the fiscal year gaming will have to post strong sustained growth for the remainder of the year."

Strip casinos won $409 million in October, up 3.5 percent from $395.2 million. Table game win was up 8 percent, to $175.7 million.

Sports books lost $3.6 million on football bets in October, while the state's live poker win was up 30 percent, to $3.1 million.

Strip slot win remained flat at $230 million.

"Aside from baccarat win - which was down 12.8 percent - Strip table games had a strong October," control board statistical analyst Frank Streshley said.

Baccarat was hit with a double whammy, Streshley said.

Not only did the Oct. 4 James Toney-Evander Holyfield boxing match fail to generate expected high-end play, but the casinos were relatively unlucky at the baccarat tables as well.

Baccarat volume - the amount of money exchanged for chips - was down 15.3 percent to $136.1 million from $160.6 million, resulting in a $21.6 million win.

Baccarat hold - the percentage of the chips sold to players that the casino won back - was 16.1 percent, up from 15.6 percent in October 2002 but still below par for the game, which the control board pegs at 20 percent and up.

Streshley said the baccarat problems were more than offset by a big upsurge in blackjack and craps.

The Strip's 1,457 blackjack tables won $67.1 million, up 33.6 percent, and the Strip's 200 craps tables won $27.1 million, up 43.2 percent.

Sports book win was down 48 percent, Streshley said, noting that the state's sports books took a big hit because several very large winning tickets were cashed in October for events decided in prior months.

"When we have a number as large as 48 percent, we start calling," Streshley said, explaining how the control board knew the reason for the sports downturn.

Northern Nevada numbers were a surprising positive, he added.

Reno had its first positive monthly comparison since May, before Thunder Valley Casino in suburban Sacramento, Calif., opened in June.

Reno casinos reported a 0.9 percent increase in money won from bettors, $65.7 million compared with $65.2 million. South Lake Tahoe casino win was up 3.8 percent, to $26.7 million from $25.7 million.

"We were very surprised," Streshley said.

Donner Pass on Interstate 80 was closed for part of the last weekend in October, making the upticks of Reno and South Lake Tahoe even more unlikely.

The state collected $57.4 million in percentage fees during the month of November, based upon the taxable revenues generated in October.

Collections were up 19.4 percent, or $9.3 million, compared with $48 million collected in November 2002. The lion's share of the increase in collections was fueled by the 0.5 percentage-point increase in the gaming percentage taxes, to a top rate of 6.75 percent from 6.25 percent.

http://www.billingsgazette.com
 

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Agent Streshley seems to have flunked accounting 101 when it comes to sportsbook win/loss
 

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Profits are up because of 6-5 BJ and Video Poker paying 1-1 for 2 pairs instead 2-1. The house keeps changing the rules to gain an even bigger advantage on the players.
 

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Streshly is actually one of the sharper guys over at the NGCB, I deal with him on occasion. They just put out these canned numbers and reasonings because they are required to look at them to make sure no one is cheating the state out of tax dollars. They couldn't care less about the math or the reasoning for the numbers going up or down.

The profits from BJ aren't because of the 6-5 payoff, those tables generate very little action from high rollers. Big players might be willing to lose a lot, but they aren't stupid. Most pit bosses will tell you that the single deck game rarely sees any consistent action from quarter and above players and if a guy they know as a good customer asks, they will gladly deal him a single deck game with the 3-2 payoff. They made more money in October because some of those regular baccarat players supposedly played BJ instead, no big deal.
 

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when a ticket is cashed has no bearing on win/loss for that month.the loss is assigned to the month that the event was posted
 

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Actually it is considered a loser the day it is booked and a winner the day it is cashed. Silly system, but that is exactly how it works in Nevada, as per state regulations.
 

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thats funny because all the years I ran a book in vegas they never said two months after the super bowl why did you lose today when someone cashed a large ticket when it was a winning day,when someone cashes a ticket from a previous day it is considerd a out, not a loser on that day.call it vodoo bookeeping just another reason las vegas sportsbetting is in the toilet.the bean counters have ruined it
 

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That is Nevada rules, the books and their casinos can look at it any way they want. That is purely reported numbers. The state wants it that way because they get the money front-loaded. If someone bets $20 today that is in effect a $20 win for a casino and they have to pay 6.5% to the state at the next payable date. This is the reason why you saw the regulators do some hunting there, they aren't used to seeing casinos able to claim back tax dollars and it obviously gets them suspicious.

I think the NGC and NGCB are actually quite competent regulatory agencies. They people that specifically oversee each area are very knowledgable about what they cover. They do go a bit far with some controls, but if you met these guys you wouldn't be able to say they don't understand gaming or casinos unless they are first-year agents.
 

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I did meet with them many times you can call it a loss for tax purposes but never once in over 15 years in the buisness did I ever tell the casino manager or whoever we had a great day but someone cashed that big bet from the super bowl two weeks ago and we ended up losing for the day
 

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I did meet with them many times you can call it a loss for tax purposes but never once in over 15 years in the buisness did I ever tell the casino manager or whoever we had a great day but someone cashed that big bet from the super bowl two weeks ago and we ended up losing for the day
 

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This reminds me of manufacturing where scrap dollars would be held onto until a good month so that a one month report does not seem so obviously bad.
 

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General, the monthly win is not as important as the handle. The win % will be there eventually, it always takes care of itself (except sports). If the handle goes down or is stagnet then they have a problem.....ScottyS

Of course this is assuming the right people get first count!
 

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Like lefty and the boys
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