Neteller founder forfeits 100 million

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He did not plead guilty for running Neteller - even the US government realized they had no jurisdiction over neteller.

He was fined for setting up Shell banking accounts in the US which were not properly registered and used to transfer money/launder for unlawful purposes.

-Sean

I agree with you here Sean, but why did the story make such a big deal about the following statement:

“I became aware that the US had legislation barring certain transactions online. With this knowledge, I came to understand that providing payment services to online gambling businesses serving customers in the US was wrong.”

Furthermore, was this really illegal what he admitted to or was he just making the statement to get this mess over? It is my understanding that providing payment services to online gambling businesses is NOT illegal according to the WTO statement finding in favor of the countries who run online gambling businesses.
 

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Our gov't is so fvcked up right now i can't wait until bush and the other crooks are out of office. How can they take this money that is not theirs?:
 

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I agree with you here Sean, but why did the story make such a big deal about the following statement:

“I became aware that the US had legislation barring certain transactions online. With this knowledge, I came to understand that providing payment services to online gambling businesses serving customers in the US was wrong.”

Furthermore, was this really illegal what he admitted to or was he just making the statement to get this mess over? It is my understanding that providing payment services to online gambling businesses is NOT illegal according to the WTO statement finding in favor of the countries who run online gambling businesses.

But if Neteller was cutting checks from a GA bank then there is the problem.

But you also brought up a great point...why did he say “I became aware "...like he is still in charge of Neteller. Didnt the law go into effect in Dec. ?
 

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Something doesn't seem right.

Up to $100mm (They have not even agreed on a fine..) I will bet once he isnt in the US and has better bargaining power that up to $100mm goes downwards...

His lawyer got him a stellar deal.. The guy never has to come back if he does not want to and almost no country will extradite for promotion of gambling.

He either has a slap on the wrist deal in place or forget about it...

Sean
 

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But if Neteller was cutting checks from a GA bank then there is the problem.

But you also brought up a great point...why did he say “I became aware "...like he is still in charge of Neteller. Didnt the law go into effect in Dec. ?

All mine came from Ga. Always felt that was odd....So if NT had kept all of its payments from outside the US they would have been safe?

Did NT just get lazy?
 

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Something doesn't seem right.

Up to $100mm (They have not even agreed on a fine..) I will bet once he isnt in the US and has better bargaining power that up to $100mm goes downwards...

His lawyer got him a stellar deal.. The guy never has to come back if he does not want to and almost no country will extradite for promotion of gambling.

He either has a slap on the wrist deal in place or forget about it...

Sean

Yeah but lets not forget that John David Lefebvre is still in custody and probably will not get a deal offered until after the next hearing. If Stephen Lawrence doesnt show up...what do you think they might do to John??
 

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All mine came from Ga. Always felt that was odd....So if NT had kept all of its payments from outside the US they would have been safe?

Did NT just get lazy?

Not saying that they woudnt have been safe...but probably not as targeted as they were when they unsealed the indictments....JMO
 

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But if Neteller was cutting checks from a GA bank then there is the problem.

But you also brought up a great point...why did he say “I became aware "...like he is still in charge of Neteller. Didnt the law go into effect in Dec. ?

Because he was in charge of his intermediary processing company, not Neteller.
 

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Because he was in charge of his intermediary processing company, not Neteller.


He was in charge of the intermediary processing company... that processed Neteller Transactions....wow talk about double dipping!!
 

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This sounds bad .......

Cant remember a time when any government seized this much in assets and did all they could to return them to the customers. They instead like to keep what is seized or forfeited, and justify it by saying "you should have known this could happen"

Bunch of shit.
 

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Why in the Enron Case, is the government still trying to seize property and bank accounts? but in this case, without a vertict, trial, judgement they have seized everything?

UNBELIVIBLE

HOUSTON - The widow of Enron Corp. founder Kenneth Lay is asking a judge to let her keep nearly $13 million in assets — particularly the family condominium — that the federal government is trying to seize.

In a court filing last week, attorneys for Linda Lay asked U.S. District Judge Ewing Werlein Jr. to throw out the government's civil action, which was filed after Kenneth Lay's criminal convictions related to Enron's downfall were vacated following his death last year.

Federal authorities claim $12.7 million in assets they are trying to seize were "proceeds of the fraud proven in the criminal case against Lay."

If the entire complaint can't be thrown out, Linda Lay's attorneys asked that at least claims to the couple's home be dismissed.

"The facts alleged ... neither indicate nor suggest any intention on the part of Kenneth Lay to purchase the condominium for purposes of concealing, or disguising, or in any way facilitating an alleged money-laundering transaction," her attorneys, David Jones and Samuel Buffone, wrote in their 28-page motion.

Justice Department spokeswoman Jaclyn Lesch declined to comment on the motion Wednesday.

Linda Lay contends she, not her husband, is the owner of the assets the government is trying to seize. In his will, Kenneth Lay left all of his assets to his wife.

Prosecutors are looking to take three things: $2.5 million of the value of the couple's condominium in one of Houston's most exclusive high-rises; $10.2 million from a partnership named for both the Lays; and nearly $23,000 in a bank account.

Kenneth Lay had been convicted in May 2006 of 10 counts of fraud, conspiracy and lying to banks in two separate cases.

But in October, U.S. District Judge Sim Lake said Lay's death of heart disease on July 5 vacated his convictions because Lay couldn't challenge them.

Lake's ruling stopped the government's efforts through the criminal courts to seek millions more in ill-gotten gains prosecutors allege Lay pocketed by participating in Enron's fraud.

Jones and Buffone also argued that prosecutors can't use facts alleged in Lay's indictment to help their forfeiture case because his convictions were thrown out.

Earlier this month, Linda Lay filed a motion asking for a jury trial in the case.

Enron, once the nation's seventh-largest company, entered bankruptcy proceedings in December 2001 after accounting tricks could no longer hide billions in debt or make failing ventures appear profitable.

Enron's collapse wiped out thousands of jobs, more than $60 billion in market value and more than $2 billion in pension plans.
 

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what a bunch of scammers...

Markie Mark, thanks once again for helping me get the rest of my money out...u the man...
 

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