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I recently had a problem with my NT debit card and wanted to give a heads-up to the posters here. I went to check my balance on my debit card via the NT site and saw that a few dimes were missing.

It turns out that someone had stolen money from my debit card and transferred it via EFT to a bank account. The card was not completely emptied but my guess is that this was a step one move that if it had succeeded they would have come back for another helping and another.

I worked with someone at NT who stepped up and took control of the situation. This guy handled the situation very well. He was professional and kept in touch despite not having very many answers for me. It appeared to me that his sole objective over the last week was to get my money back and that he did. Keep in mind that I can be a PITA to deal with for customer service people but from the beginning, he took over from the lower level customer service person and spoke with me honestly, openly, and professionally; well before I had an opportunity to blow my stack regarding my missing money.

The situation is not over. I still do not have an explanation of how the money was stolen and I do have plenty of concerns. It appears that the problem was on FSV's side and not NT's side since the money was taken from the card and the transfer was done on their end. There could be an FSV side to the story but my only contact is with NT and the exaplanation makes sense. They are investigating the details of the transfer to find the culprit(s).

A few final points:
-Always monitor your funds.
-Never keep an amount in any place other than a bank, safe deposit box, etc. that you are not willing to lose. This was a decent sum of money and I would have been VERY upset to lose it BUT the financial loss would not have impacted my life in any way shape or form.
-NT and my contact there showed a level of professionalism and customer service that was completely unexpected. Don't get me wrong, I'm VERY pissed but I expected a MAJOR nightmare dealing with these people since I've had a few prior conversations with customer service people there and they were not pleasant. I guess the more senior people there know a few things.

This situation has me spooked on so many levels as I have too much to lose unrealted to a few bucks missing from a card. Now that security as it relates to my account has been compromised, I'm more concerned about security in general as it relates to NT and FSV as they have a ton of personal information on me and on all account holders that could be significantly more valuable than several dimes left in some electronic account.
 

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When I move money from neteller to the debit card I am at the atm machine 10 minutes later getting it out

I think that FSV is for the US version of the debit card and that the one for international customers is a Canadian bank

Regardless of what bank/financial institution it is, theswami is 100% right about not keeping money anywhere but a bank or a deposit box (and damn, sometimes I don't feel its safe even in a bank!)
 

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By The Swami

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Keep in mind that I can be a PITA to deal with for customer service people but from the beginning <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> NO way man NOT YOU!!
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seriously though man good luck I hope you recover it all and thanks for warning everyone
 

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wolfie-

Actually, I set an amount I wanted/needed to have available (outside of banks and in my possession) and would be willing to lose to unscrupulous folks at NT or FSV. The next point I had to consider was the best place for it, NT or the card. I actually thought the card would be safer than having the funds in my NT account but boy was I wrong there.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dante:
By The Swami

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>_Keep in mind that I can be a PITA to deal with for customer service people but from the beginning_ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> NO way man NOT YOU!!
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...SNIP <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL...
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by theswami:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dante:
By The Swami

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>_Keep in mind that I can be a PITA to deal with for customer service people but from the beginning_ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> NO way man NOT YOU!!
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...SNIP <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL...
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and that happens alot its the WORST hand to have!
 

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swami, from the comments I take it that FSV is a US bank. If you find out how your card got compromised let us know.

There are lots of warnings going around here about protecting your PIN. Apparently people are putting an additional false front on ATMs. The machine works OK but the magnetic strip data gets read. This is coupled with a pinhole camera mounted to read your entry into the keypad.

Don't use ATMs myself (mainly because I'm cheap and don't want to pay a buck or two for the service). I also think a 4 digit PIN is really minimal regarding security.
 

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It's a weakness with ACH/EFT transfers. You should never keep money in any account that you use for ACH/EFT, including an account you use to load funds to or withdraw funds from Neteller.


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The funny thing about the PIN issue is that the card has two PINs....one for online use and one for ATM use. The theft occurred online.

I have a few ideas of how this could of happened and the only one NOT involving FSV's or NT's weakness is someone putting in a keystroke logger on a computer I use but I only use two (home and office) and it seems unlikely.

Phaedrus-

I'm in the process of figuring out what to do with the bank account I use for NT.

You know the space well. Any thoughts on how this happened?
 

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It's a little out of my specific knowledge base, but on one of the industry discussion lists of which I am a member there was just a discussion about the number of ACH/EFT frauds that occur either with phishing scams or others. Part of the ultra-quick clearing process of ACH/EFT make them somewhat more vulnerable than other forms of transfer, which is insane since logically things that clear virtually automatically ought to be more secure than those that take a couple of days as a wire sometimes can.

I'll see if I can dig up the specific thread and repost it here.

Looking at what you're saying, it is of course entirely possible if you have been infected with a keystroke logger that this could explain what happened.

As I said above, one of the smartest things you can do if you use Neteller or any other bank-linked service is to set up a throwaway account that is only used for that purpose. People just don't take their online financial security seriously until they have a problem (I don't mean this as a criticism of you in particular; just that in general people never think about this stuff until they are being robbed blind.)


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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Phaedrus:
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As I said above, one of the smartest things you can do if you use Neteller or any other bank-linked service is to set up a throwaway account that is only used for that purpose.

....SNIP <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's actually why I started the account then I sort of fell in love with it and the institution after all these years. Cest la vie..the account is virtually worthless now.
 

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