NBA Plays 6/4/09

[HacheMan]

2006/2007 NBA Record: 254-214-8 / +50.41 Units
2007/2008 NBA Record: 166-143-1 / +31.32 Units
2008/2009 NBA Record: 254-224-14 / +32.00 Units
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Future Bet: 1Unit Boston/Cleveland/LA Wins NBA Championship (-435)
Future Bet: 1Unit: LA Lakers To Win Championship (+180)
Future Bet: 2Units: LA Lakers or Cleveland Cavs Win NBA Championship (-405)
Future Bet: 2Units: LA Lakers or Cleveland Cavs Win NBA Championship (-453)
Future Bet: 3Units: Orlando Magic To Win NBA Championship (+850)
Future Bet: 7Units: Orlando Magic To Win Series Over LA Lakers (+240) The Greek
All Plays Documented On Forum
Note* 1 Future Added On Orlando To Win Series Over LA



3Units: LA Lakers/Orlando O205.5 (-110)

 

[Mr_Mark]

i like the play hache

gl

 

[OccamsRazor]

Future Bet: 2Units: LA Lakers or Cleveland Cavs Win NBA Championship (-405)


How do you record this wager on your record if it losses?


-2 Units, I would imagine. But how do you account for the (-405) would that be -810?

Also what is your relationship between Units and money? There doesn't appear to be one.

You could essentially be up 32 units and down money?

I don't understand. Enlighten me


Next season I want to track money and units for record keeping purposes.

I was thinking 1 unit would equal -110.

So:

Future Bet: 2Units: LA Lakers or Cleveland Cavs Win NBA Championship (-405)

For me if it lost, it would be down 2 units but -$810 cash right?

thanks in advance for your help.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Hache:

What I wrote last time:

"Next season I want to track money and units for record keeping purposes.


I was thinking 1 unit would equal -110.

So:

Future Bet: 2Units: LA Lakers or Cleveland Cavs Win NBA Championship (-405)

For me if it lost, it would be down 2 units but -$810 cash right?

thanks in advance for your help. "


I think I just figured something out. Using the above format, 2 units lost at -405 would translate to minus 8.10 units if one unit = -110.

I'm I right? <!-- / message -->

 

[yanni_gogolak]

I think I just figured something out. Using the above format, 2 units lost at -405 would translate to minus 8.10 units if one unit = -110.

I'm I right? <!-- / message -->

I would do 2 units loss = -2 units
win nets less than a unit

 

[HacheMan]

Future Bet: 2Units: LA Lakers or Cleveland Cavs Win NBA Championship (-405)


How do you record this wager on your record if it losses?


-2 Units, I would imagine. But how do you account for the (-405) would that be -810?

Also what is your relationship between Units and money? There doesn't appear to be one.

You could essentially be up 32 units and down money?

I don't understand. Enlighten me


Next season I want to track money and units for record keeping purposes.

I was thinking 1 unit would equal -110.

So:

Future Bet: 2Units: LA Lakers or Cleveland Cavs Win NBA Championship (-405)

For me if it lost, it would be down 2 units but -$810 cash right?

thanks in advance for your help.

Your figures above are correct Occs. and all of the futures are included in my record & units won/loss. The amount lost is the juice multiplied by the units played, in which the example you used above, is -810 (8.10 Units)

I'm really not sure what you mean by being up 32 Units & down money.
The +32 Units is exactly that, +32.

32 Units varies on what one plays.
If the guy is a $100 player, he is currently up $3200
If a guy is a $200 per game player, he is currently up $6400
What I play per unit is really irrelevant.

Most of my plays range from 1-5 Units.

Things didn't work out as I thought with Cleveland as I had some futures on them, but covered them by adding Orlando futures to win the East, and the Laker futures I had to win the West help cover the Cavs losses as well.

With that future on Orlando to win it all, I could have left everything as is and still won a few units no matter if the Magic or the Lakers won the title.

But, I added the 7units or Orlando recently hoping to pick up quite a few.

 

[HacheMan]

Hache:

What I wrote last time:

"Next season I want to track money and units for record keeping purposes.


I was thinking 1 unit would equal -110.

So:

Future Bet: 2Units: LA Lakers or Cleveland Cavs Win NBA Championship (-405)

For me if it lost, it would be down 2 units but -$810 cash right?

thanks in advance for your help. "


I think I just figured something out. Using the above format, 2 units lost at -405 would translate to minus 8.10 units if one unit = -110.

I'm I right? <!-- / message -->

Yes.....exactly

 

[NumberZ]

Why the love for Orlando, Hache? Is it a hedge for Lakers futures? home love? or a genuine belief on your part, that they take the series??

Best of Luck, on that Over

 

[HacheMan]

Why the love for Orlando, Hache? Is it a hedge for Lakers futures? home love? or a genuine belief on your part, that they take the series??

Best of Luck, on that Over

A little of both Z, and best of luck to you if you play anything...........:toast:

 

[NumberZ]

A little of both Z, and best of luck to you if you play anything...........:toast:

I gotcha, I'm on the opposite side for who wins the series, so just wondering where you were coming from..either way, GL on the play..

 

[Golden_49ers]

Good Luck Hache, I'm just playing the lakers -6 here.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Thanks for your reply Hache what I wanted to know was is the value of 1 unit apparently in your case its -100. Now I can answer your questions


Q: "I'm really not sure what you mean by being up 32 Units & down money.
The +32 Units is exactly that, +32".

A: Using your bet as an example:Future Bet: 2Units: LA Lakers or Cleveland Cavs Win NBA Championship (-405)

1 unit = -100

Lets say a guy is up 5 units on his posted record he makes the above bet twice and loses, his posted record would show +1 unit or +$100. In actuality he is +1 unit but down -$1620 (-405 X 4 UNITS).

Thats how you can be up units and down money.


Statement:
"32 Units varies on what one plays.
If the guy is a $100 player, he is currently up $3200
If a guy is a $200 per game player, he is currently up $6400
What I play per unit is really irrelevant".

A: I disagree. For your record keeping purposes here, what you play per unit is extremely relevant.

Take your last 2 wagers here, just your last 2, I don't know about the rest. You lost 6 units at -110. Your record was at +38.15.

6 Units X -110= 6.6 Units. 38.15 Units - 6.6 Units = +31.55

Your record shows +32 Units.

Before you say its only.45 of a unit, that missing .45 is HUGE, GIGANTIC when applied over and over and over. Specially with your 478 bets so far

Your record:

2008/2009 NBA Record: 254-224-14 / +32.00 Units

254-224= +30 units tells me you had some bets that were +105 or +something to have +32 units.

BUT at -100 per unit value for wins 224 loses at -110 per UNIT = 246.40 UNITS

254-246.40= +7.6 UNITS, not +32 :shocked: (add that extra 2 units and its +9.6 units)

You see that -110 when you lose and only +100 when you win is equal to a 4.55% advantage to the House.

For record keeping purposes you have to account for that .10 in the
-1.10. It is huge!

Otherwise a 52% bettor at -110 can say he is 56.55% if he discounts that .10 (.10= 4.55%)


Thanks Hache. I learned a great deal. I'll be able to keep really accurate records next year.

GL rest of playoffs.

 

[HacheMan]

I'm not sure where the confusion is Occs

Everything is figured into my balance.

If I play 2Units on Detroit -2 (-120) and lose, I subtract -2.40 Units from my balance.

If I play 1Unit on Memphis ML +140 and win, I add 1.40 Units to my balance.

X units multiplied by whatever the juice is....


Perfect examples were my futures a week ago before the Magic won the East.

I lost a bundle on Cavs futures as you will see below, but fortunately I won a bit on Lakers futures and Orlando futures which I placed to cover the Cavs futures..........

What I won & lost in red



Future Bet: 3Units LA Lakers To Win Western Conference (-140) Won 3 Units
Future Bet: 3Units LA Lakers To Win Western Conference (-145) Won 3 Units
Future Bet: 3Units LA Lakers To Win Western Conference (-155) Won 3 Units
Future Bet: 1Unit Boston/Cleveland/LA Wins NBA Championship (-435)
Future Bet: 1Unit: Cleveland Cavs To Win NBA Championship (+270) Lost 1 Unit
Future Bet: 1Unit: Cleveland Cavs To Win Championship (+225) Lost 1 Unit
Future Bet: 1Unit: LA Lakers To Win Championship (+180)
Futrue Bet: 5Units: Cleveland Cavs To Win East (-160) Lost 8 Units
Future Bet: 5Units: LA Lakers & Cleveland Cavs Meet In NBA Finals (-128) Lost 6.40 Units
Future Bet: 2Units: LA Lakers or Cleveland Cavs Win NBA Championship (-405)
Future Bet: 2Units: LA Lakers or Cleveland Cavs Win NBA Championship (-453)
Future Bet: 2Units: Denver Nuggets To Win Championship (+1500) Lost 2 Units
Future Bet: 1Unit: Cleveland Cavs To Win East (-470) Lost 4.70 Units
Future Bet: 3Units: Orlando Magic To Win NBA Championship (+850)
Future Bet: 3Units: Orlando Magic To Win East (+260) Won 7.80 Units
Future Bet: 3Units: Orlando Magic To Win East (+125) Won 3.75 Units
Future Bet: 3Units: Orlando Magic To Win East (-230) Won 3 Units
All Plays Documented On Forum
Note* Added 1 Future on Orlando To Cover MY Cavs Futures


Also what I meant by what I play per unit being irrelevant is the I don't really need to or want to reveal what I play per unit.

Everyone is different in that aspect and obviously, by using my yearly results for example, the more someone would have played per unit, the more they would have won...

 

[Mindware]

Thanks for your reply Hache what I wanted to know was is the value of 1 unit apparently in your case its -100. Now I can answer your questions


Q: "I'm really not sure what you mean by being up 32 Units & down money.
The +32 Units is exactly that, +32".

A: Using your bet as an example:Future Bet: 2Units: LA Lakers or Cleveland Cavs Win NBA Championship (-405)

1 unit = -100

Lets say a guy is up 5 units on his posted record he makes the above bet twice and loses, his posted record would show +1 unit or +$100. In actuality he is +1 unit but down -$1620 (-405 X 4 UNITS).

Thats how you can be up units and down money.


Statement:
"32 Units varies on what one plays.
If the guy is a $100 player, he is currently up $3200
If a guy is a $200 per game player, he is currently up $6400
What I play per unit is really irrelevant".

A: I disagree. For your record keeping purposes here, what you play per unit is extremely relevant.

Take your last 2 wagers here, just your last 2, I don't know about the rest. You lost 6 units at -110. Your record was at +38.15.

6 Units X -110= 6.6 Units. 38.15 Units - 6.6 Units = +31.55

Your record shows +32 Units.

Before you say its only.45 of a unit, that missing .45 is HUGE, GIGANTIC when applied over and over and over. Specially with your 478 bets so far

Your record:

2008/2009 NBA Record: 254-224-14 / +32.00 Units

254-224= +30 units tells me you had some bets that were +105 or +something to have +32 units.

BUT at -100 per unit value for wins 224 loses at -110 per UNIT = 246.40 UNITS

254-246.40= +7.6 UNITS, not +32 :shocked: (add that extra 2 units and its +9.6 units)

You see that -110 when you lose and only +100 when you win is equal to a 4.55% advantage to the House.

For record keeping purposes you have to account for that .10 in the
-1.10. It is huge!

Otherwise a 52% bettor at -110 can say he is 56.55% if he discounts that .10 (.10= 4.55%)


Thanks Hache. I learned a great deal. I'll be able to keep really accurate records next year.

GL rest of playoffs.

wow, u make a great deal of nonsense in trying to sound sophisticated and complicating what should be a fairly easy explanation of what you're trying to get across. It seems you're assuming Hache Man bet the same amount for all of his plays during the season, b/c if he did, then yea i don't see how a record of 254-224 can produce +30something units for the season.

 

[HacheMan]

Added Props For NBA Finals

4Units: Winning Margin Any Game In Series Under 20.5 pts (+100)
2Units: Dwight Howard Over 20.5 Pts Average For Series (-135)
1Unit: No Overtime Game In Series (-210)

 

[CaptFlippy]

Good Luck Hache, one of us will be happy, I think it will be close to the number in which case I normally play the over but I'm trying a different thought process tonight (that alone is scary) catch you next game!
The Capt~