NBA 1st half and 2nd half data

[picasso]

Starting a new thread with this as I know it can be a pain to scroll through a multiple page thread.

The usual disclaimer: 2nd half data doesn't include overtime simply because I find tracking to be more accurate this way.

Also, I'd be cautious with this data. I think oddsmakers have not only caught up but are perhaps even overcompensating for some teams now. Plus, betting is driving numbers even higher in some situations. The other night, in the Utah/Denver game, the game total was around 187. The first half total was around 89. The second half total opened around 96 at some books and, per usual for Utah games, quickly rose, peaking at around 99/99.5 at some books. The 2nd half score was 55-42. Utah was a strong 2nd half over team earlier in the season, but just 10-10 O/U-wise in their last 20 games.

New Jersey is another example. They were similar to Utah earlier in the season. Their 2nd half number still regularly soars. Tonight vs Sacramento, it opened around 97/97.5 and peaked around 100. The 2nd half score was 42-40. They've been mostly a 2nd half under team since the coaching change, possibly due to inflated totals.

Washington also falls into this category. Tonight's 2nd half total vs NY opened around 100.5/101. It reached 105.5 at one book I monitor with the consensus sitting around 104. It went over but only due to overtime. The regulation score was 49-47.

As can be seen, away/home seems to affect some teams' records drastically.

Still wish I could format this better, but I've yet to figure out how to get the UBB software to display something as is. Data is the usual W-L-P for sides and O-U-P for totals.

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1st Half Sides

Team.....Sides........Away.........Home

atl......34-31-2......15-17-2......19-14-0
bos......29-39-0......16-18-0......13-21-0
chi......37-30-0......19-14-0......18-16-0
cle......34-30-3......14-18-2......20-12-1
dal......27-38-1......11-22-0......16-16-1
den......34-33-1......17-16-0......17-17-1
det......36-31-1......19-16-0......17-15-1
gs ......39-26-1......19-15-0......20-11-1
hou......37-27-2......15-14-1......22-13-1
ind......34-31-1......19-15-1......15-16-0
lac......32-33-2......17-16-1......15-17-1
lal......31-36-0......10-27-0......21- 9-0
mem......36-27-4......17-15-1......19-12-3
mia......38-28-2......17-14-2......21-14-0
mil......24-38-5...... 8-22-2......16-16-3
min......32-34-1......15-17-0......17-17-1
nj ......38-28-0......16-17-0......22-11-0
no ......30-36-1......12-20-1......18-16-0
ny ......32-35-1......15-18-1......17-17-0
orl......32-37-0......20-15-0......12-22-0
phi......23-44-1......12-22-1......11-22-0
pho......22-42-4......11-21-2......11-21-2
por......38-29-0......22-12-0......16-17-0
sa ......43-25-0......22-14-0......21-11-0
sac......34-32-1......14-17-1......20-15-0
sea......33-33-1......19-14-0......14-19-1
tor......30-36-0......14-19-0......16-17-0
uta......33-31-3......14-18-1......19-13-2
was......32-34-0......15-17-0......17-17-0

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1st Half Totals

Team ....Totals.......Away.........Home

atl......34-33-0......17-17-0......17-16-0
bos......39-27-2......18-15-1......21-12-1
chi......33-34-0......19-14-0......14-20-0
cle......39-25-3......20-13-1......19-12-2
dal......35-29-2......19-13-1......16-16-1
den......34-32-2......18-14-1......16-18-1
det......35-32-1......17-17-1......18-15-0
gs ......31-35-0......17-17-0......14-18-0
hou......27-38-1......11-18-1......16-20-0
ind......31-34-1......14-20-1......17-14-0
lac......37-28-2......17-16-1......20-12-1
lal......35-32-0......22-15-0......13-17-0
mem......35-31-1......20-13-0......15-18-1
mia......34-33-1......16-17-0......18-16-1
mil......37-30-0......19-13-0......18-17-0
min......28-39-0......12-20-0......16-19-0
nj ......24-40-2......11-21-1......13-19-1
no ......34-29-4......18-12-3......16-17-1
ny ......35-31-2......19-13-2......16-18-0
orl......39-29-1......23-12-0......16-17-1
phi......37-30-1......21-14-0......16-16-1
pho......39-29-0......17-17-0......22-12-0
por......33-32-2......16-16-2......17-16-0
sa ......25-42-1......13-23-0......12-19-1
sac......34-32-1......16-16-0......18-16-1
sea......35-32-0......15-18-0......20-14-0
tor......28-37-1......15-18-0......13-19-1
uta......24-43-0......10-23-0......14-20-0
was......27-38-1...... 9-23-0......18-15-1

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2nd Half Sides

Team.....Sides........Away.........Home

atl......31-35-1......15-19-0......16-16-1
bos......30-38-0......20-14-0......10-24-0
chi......23-42-2......14-18-1...... 9-24-1
cle......36-26-5......18-13-3......18-13-2
dal......36-27-3......13-17-3......23-10-0
den......34-33-1......15-18-0......19-15-1
det......40-27-1......24-11-0......16-16-1
gs ......37-27-2......18-16-0......19-11-2
hou......30-34-2......15-15-0......15-19-2
ind......33-33-0......19-16-0......14-17-0
lac......33-32-2......18-14-2......15-18-0
lal......25-40-2......11-24-2......14-16-0
mem......36-26-5......21-11-1......15-15-4
mia......37-29-2......17-14-2......20-15-0
mil......41-25-1......23- 8-1......18-17-0
min......35-29-3......18-12-2......17-17-1
nj ......34-30-2......17-15-1......17-15-1
no ......32-32-3......18-14-1......14-18-2
ny ......33-33-2......18-15-1......15-18-1
orl......18-48-3......11-22-2...... 7-26-1
phi......35-31-2......19-16-0......16-15-2
pho......30-35-3......15-17-2......15-18-1
por......28-39-0......11-23-0......17-16-0
sa ......29-34-5......16-18-2......13-16-3
sac......28-36-3......13-17-2......15-19-1
sea......35-29-3......17-14-2......18-15-1
tor......35-30-1......19-14-0......16-16-1
uta......41-26-0......19-14-0......22-12-0
was......28-37-1......14-18-0......14-19-1

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2nd Half Totals

Team ....Totals.......Away.........Home

atl......30-36-1......14-20-0......16-16-1
bos......30-35-3......14-19-1......16-16-2
chi......30-35-2......15-16-2......15-19-0
cle......28-37-2......11-22-1......17-15-1
dal......30-35-1......11-22-0......19-13-1
den......35-32-1......19-13-1......16-19-0
det......23-44-1......10-25-0......13-19-1
gs ......24-41-1......11-22-1......13-19-0
hou......30-36-0......14-16-0......16-20-0
ind......26-38-2......17-16-2...... 9-22-0
lac......28-38-1......17-17-0......11-21-1
lal......27-40-0......21-16-0...... 6-24-0
mem......28-35-4......13-18-2......15-17-2
mia......35-32-1......16-16-1......19-16-0
mil......32-34-1...... 9-23-0......23-11-1
min......29-37-1......17-15-0......12-22-1
nj ......32-33-1......17-16-0......15-17-1
no ......29-37-1......17-15-1......12-22-0
ny ......34-31-3......16-17-1......18-14-2
orl......35-32-2......16-17-2......19-15-0
phi......28-38-2......16-18-1......12-20-1
pho......28-39-1......11-23-0......17-16-1
por......24-43-0...... 8-26-0......16-17-0
sa ......37-31-0......21-15-0......16-16-0
sac......31-36-0......15-17-0......16-19-0
sea......28-38-1......13-20-0......15-18-1
tor......27-37-2......12-20-1......15-17-1
uta......37-29-1......22-10-1......15-19-0
was......41-25-0......25- 7-0......16-18-0

I'll be generating more situational data as time permits, though probably not for this season as it's winding down.

 

[RealSlimShady]

picasso, I agree that oddsmakers are overcompensating now and 'value' might be to go against the 'over' trend for the teams you mentioned in the second half. I have been able to hit a few middles in the second half games for NJ, Utah and Washington. Basically, I bet the 'over' in the second half the minute the line comes out for these teams and bet the 'under' after the line moves up in a couple of minutes. Usually, I get a 1-3 point opportunity for a 'middle'.

 

[tuck321]

I have seen Pinn move the money but no more than a 1 point move. Also TCR does not move much at all. Where should I be looking for larger moves?

 

[picasso]

I see Pinnacle move more than 1 point plenty of times in certain situations. Other times, they'll just heavily adjust the vig (-126/+110 for example is a common one for them). IIS moves the number a lot -- but very rapidly as often I'll get a line has changed message when I try to place a bet. The key is catching an opening or very early number. You might be missing those as it's very quick. A couple paranoid books (Canbet for example) sometimes wait until the number stabilizes for teams like Utah and NJ before posting a number.

Typically, Olympic is first to post a number. Hollywood and IIS are also quick but rarely before Olympic. Pinnacle is usually the last of these 4 books to post. WSEX posts reasonably fast. Carib is slow to post due to their annoying habit of using delayed lines. Canbet varies. Intertops is pretty quick as is Cascade. With Wagerstreet, it depends on whose book they're copying their lines from.

 

[RealSlimShady]

Pinnacle tends to move the amount you have to lay on a certain side rather than have big point moves. I have been able to bet, say, over 96.0 -108 and bet under 96.5 +110 through them a few minutes later(did it in the Lakers game last week). Of late, they have been slow in putting up second half totals, so you may have to try Olympic, who seem to put up lines really quickly.

 

[shats]

Picasso:
Which column is over and which is under am i missing something? Thanks

 

[picasso]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shats:
Picasso:
Which column is over and which is under am i missing something? Thanks<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For totals, the format is Over-Under-Push.

 

[RealSlimShady]

Pinnacle moved the second half O/U in the Utah game from 88.5 to 90.5 today.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tuck321:
I have seen Pinn move the money but no more than a 1 point move. Also TCR does not move much at all. Where should I be looking for larger moves?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

 

[picasso]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RealSlimShady:
Pinnacle moved the second half O/U in the Utah game from 88.5 to 90.5 today.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, and the under 90.5 hit at least +107 a couple times at Pinnacle. A couple other books opened it at 88. It peaked at 91/91.5 at a few books. Was able to hit a nice middle here.

 

[RealSlimShady]

Cleveland/Utah today has a low first half total as usual due to Utah's inability to put up points in the first half. But Cleveland does go over a lot in the first half(check the season record), so I think the over may be a decent play here.

 

[picasso]

Here's an update with this version being a look at recent results. Data is from 2/1/04 - 3/23/04.

Utah and Washington 2nd half posted totals continue to soar even though it's just been a 50/50 proposition of late.

Detroit with the addition of Wallace and Portland with the addition of Ratliff have been heavy 2nd half unders of late. Same for the Clippers, presumably due to all their injuries plus fairly high posted totals. Very few over teams of late as NBA scoring seems to be even lower than usual the past few weeks. Tonight, all 7 games went under.

For 1st half sides, Sacramento is on a 6-20 run. Webber effect? Fewer minutes for Brad Miller.

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1st Half Sides

Team.....Sides........Away.........Home

atl......10-12-1...... 5- 6-1...... 5- 6-0
bos...... 8-14-0...... 6- 7-0...... 2- 7-0
chi......15- 8-0...... 7- 4-0...... 8- 4-0
cle......13-11-0...... 5- 5-0...... 8- 6-0
dal...... 9-14-0...... 3- 9-0...... 6- 5-0
den......12-10-1...... 7- 6-0...... 5- 4-1
det......16- 7-1......10- 5-0...... 6- 2-1
gs ......16- 8-0...... 7- 5-0...... 9- 3-0
hou......13- 9-1...... 5- 3-0...... 8- 6-1
ind......11-11-0...... 8- 4-0...... 3- 7-0
lac......13-13-0...... 8- 9-0...... 5- 4-0
lal......11-16-0...... 7-12-0...... 4- 4-0
mem......13-10-1...... 4- 6-0...... 9- 4-1
mia......15- 7-0...... 5- 2-0......10- 5-0
mil...... 8-12-3...... 3- 7-2...... 5- 5-1
min...... 9-17-0...... 3- 6-0...... 6-11-0
nj ......12-13-0...... 3- 8-0...... 9- 5-0
no ......10-13-1...... 2- 7-0...... 8- 6-1
ny ......11-11-0...... 5- 7-0...... 6- 4-0
orl......11-12-0...... 5- 7-0...... 6- 5-0
phi......10-13-1...... 6- 6-1...... 4- 7-0
pho...... 9-12-1...... 2- 5-1...... 7- 7-0
por......15-10-0...... 9- 4-0...... 6- 6-0
sa ......14- 8-0...... 8- 5-0...... 6- 3-0
sac...... 6-20-0...... 3-10-0...... 3-10-0
sea......14-10-1......10- 3-1...... 4- 7-0
tor......10-16-0...... 4- 8-0...... 6- 8-0
uta......15- 9-0...... 9- 5-0...... 6- 4-0
was......11-14-0...... 5- 5-0...... 6- 9-0

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1st Half Totals
Team ....Totals.......Away.........Home

atl......14- 9-0...... 7- 5-0...... 7- 4-0
bos......12- 9-1...... 6- 6-1...... 6- 3-0
chi...... 7-16-0...... 4- 7-0...... 3- 9-0
cle......10-12-2...... 4- 6-0...... 6- 6-2
dal......11-11-1...... 6- 5-1...... 5- 6-0
den......10-12-1...... 7- 6-0...... 3- 6-1
det......13-10-1...... 8- 6-1...... 5- 4-0
gs ...... 9-15-0...... 5- 7-0...... 4- 8-0
hou......12-11-0...... 5- 3-0...... 7- 8-0
ind......10-12-0...... 4- 8-0...... 6- 4-0
lac......14-12-0...... 8- 9-0...... 6- 3-0
lal......14-13-0...... 9-10-0...... 5- 3-0
mem......14-10-0...... 6- 4-0...... 8- 6-0
mia......12-10-0...... 5- 2-0...... 7- 8-0
mil......16- 7-0...... 9- 3-0...... 7- 4-0
min......11-15-0...... 2- 7-0...... 9- 8-0
nj ......10-13-2...... 4- 6-1...... 6- 7-1
no ......13- 9-2...... 5- 3-1...... 8- 6-1
ny ...... 6-15-1...... 4- 7-1...... 2- 8-0
orl...... 9-14-0...... 7- 5-0...... 2- 9-0
phi......12-12-0...... 6- 7-0...... 6- 5-0
pho......11-10-1...... 3- 4-1...... 8- 6-0
por......10-15-0...... 7- 6-0...... 3- 9-0
sa ...... 8-14-0...... 4- 9-0...... 4- 5-0
sac......11-15-0...... 5- 8-0...... 6- 7-0
sea......11-14-0...... 6- 8-0...... 5- 6-0
tor......13-12-1...... 6- 6-0...... 7- 6-1
uta......10-14-0...... 5- 9-0...... 5- 5-0
was......11-13-1...... 5- 5-0...... 6- 8-1

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2nd Half Sides

Team.....Sides........Away.........Home

atl......11-12-0...... 4- 8-0...... 7- 4-0
bos......12- 9-1...... 7- 5-1...... 5- 4-0
chi...... 9-13-1...... 5- 6-0...... 4- 7-1
cle......15- 9-0...... 7- 3-0...... 8- 6-0
dal......12- 9-2...... 4- 7-1...... 8- 2-1
den......11-11-1...... 5- 8-0...... 6- 3-1
det......14-10-0......10- 5-0...... 4- 5-0
gs ......13- 9-2...... 6- 5-1...... 7- 4-1
hou...... 7-14-2...... 2- 6-0...... 5- 8-2
ind...... 7-15-0...... 3- 9-0...... 4- 6-0
lac......14-10-2......11- 5-1...... 3- 5-1
lal...... 9-17-1...... 7-11-1...... 2- 6-0
mem......13- 9-2...... 8- 1-1...... 5- 8-1
mia......13- 8-1...... 4- 2-1...... 9- 6-0
mil......12-11-0...... 7- 5-0...... 5- 6-0
min......15-10-1...... 3- 6-0......12- 4-1
nj ......13-11-1...... 6- 5-0...... 7- 6-1
no ......11-12-1...... 3- 5-1...... 8- 7-0
ny ...... 9-12-1...... 5- 6-1...... 4- 6-0
orl...... 7-16-0...... 2-10-0...... 5- 6-0
phi......11-13-0...... 3-10-0...... 8- 3-0
pho......12-10-0...... 6- 2-0...... 6- 8-0
por......12-13-0...... 4- 9-0...... 8- 4-0
sa ......10-10-2...... 5- 7-1...... 5- 3-1
sac......13-12-1...... 7- 6-0...... 6- 6-1
sea......11-12-2...... 6- 6-2...... 5- 6-0
tor......16-10-0......10- 2-0...... 6- 8-0
uta......12-12-0...... 8- 6-0...... 4- 6-0
was......10-15-0...... 4- 6-0...... 6- 9-0

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2nd Half Totals

Team ....Totals.......Away.........Home

atl......10-13-0...... 4- 8-0...... 6- 5-0
bos...... 8-13-1...... 5- 8-0...... 3- 5-1
chi...... 8-13-2...... 4- 5-2...... 4- 8-0
cle......12-11-1...... 5- 4-1...... 7- 7-0
dal......10-12-1...... 4- 8-0...... 6- 4-1
den......12-11-0...... 8- 5-0...... 4- 6-0
det...... 7-17-0...... 6- 9-0...... 1- 8-0
gs ......10-14-0...... 5- 7-0...... 5- 7-0
hou......13-10-0...... 4- 4-0...... 9- 6-0
ind......10-12-0...... 6- 6-0...... 4- 6-0
lac...... 9-17-0...... 9- 8-0...... 0- 9-0
lal......13-14-0......12- 7-0...... 1- 7-0
mem...... 8-13-3...... 3- 5-2...... 5- 8-1
mia......13- 9-0...... 5- 2-0...... 8- 7-0
mil......12-10-1...... 4- 8-0...... 8- 2-1
min......10-15-1...... 5- 4-0...... 5-11-1
nj ......10-14-1...... 3- 8-0...... 7- 6-1
no ...... 9-14-1...... 3- 5-1...... 6- 9-0
ny ......11- 9-2...... 7- 4-1...... 4- 5-1
orl...... 9-13-1...... 4- 7-1...... 5- 6-0
phi...... 9-13-2...... 4- 8-1...... 5- 5-1
pho......10-12-0...... 1- 7-0...... 9- 5-0
por...... 7-18-0...... 1-12-0...... 6- 6-0
sa ......14- 8-0...... 9- 4-0...... 5- 4-0
sac......12-14-0...... 5- 8-0...... 7- 6-0
sea...... 9-15-1...... 6- 8-0...... 3- 7-1
tor......11-15-0...... 3- 9-0...... 8- 6-0
uta......12-12-0...... 9- 5-0...... 3- 7-0
was......12-13-0...... 6- 4-0...... 6- 9-0