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Anyone that's ever talked shit about the Frog should take it back now!!!!!!!
 

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OMNIVOROUS FROG said:
I wrote this under the law description thread, but figured I can make it it's own thread.

How or why did it happen? That is like who left the barn door open, after the horse has already ran out. But, I believe three things, BOS, the religious right pressing Frist and the rise of online poker. To the gov, BOS was the smoking gun. All this internet gambling is just a ruse for the mob to launder money, diversify assets and evade US racketeering laws. All the critics point at Kaplan and mob pals as why this must stop.

Frist was pressured from the religious right to show a tangible victory before the elections. That is why is kept running around looking for a bill to attach his to. He obviously made it lucrative for the port bill sponsors to tag along. From support to campaign contributions, it could be anything.

The rise of online poker was just a slap in the governements face. Betting offshore went from low profile degenerates looking for action to mainstream poker players growing geometrically by the year. The visibilty, mainstream coverage and advertisement turned betting offshore to barely under the radar to flying in the face of the gov.

OK. Now that the blame game is done and the horse is gone now what? Boy, people were so skeptical, even myself, that this was just another dog and pony show that not many had a contingency plan if it did happen. You will see many panic moves, especially by publicly traded corps. You will see their stock prices plummet. Already have. Most will use the BOS example, we do not want to put our corporate leaders at risk. They will save their own asses first, and not care about fighting the good fight.

The books, mainly those not publicly traded will take a wait and see approach. They barely have anything to fear. The smaller books may fold up the tents and go home, but they were on thin margins anyway. The books are mentioned as potential criminals but the real target is financial transactions. Not the books, not blocking isps.

Funding. There is the gotcha. They knew the only bite they think they have is financial transactions. However that is a big think. There is no plan in place. There was no feasibility study. Many beleive it cannot be enforced. With major drains fighting other failed wars, drugs, terrorism, Iraq, Afghanistan and soon the rest of the world, this is a low priority issue. Funding the enforcement may be a problem in itself. Actually implementing it, might be like pulling a rabbit out of a hat, but not having the funds to buy the hat or the rabbit. Plus, you can't do it anyway, without smoke and mirrors. The banks are already overwhelmed by the Patriot Act chasing terror. Now they have normal everyday customers who may just play online poker on the weekends. Recreational bettors. They probably outnumber terrorist in our great country a million to one. The bank will be asked/forced to pour over all tractions, eft's, cc's, checks, wires, you name it. And the people they are targeting? Every day Americans. Not one of these people will be running the streets yelling Death to America, it is us.

270 days is the magic number, probably somewhat less. You have to decide before the law is implemented a course of action. There might be a huge backlash from a lot of sources. Banking, might just find out, it can't be done. Then what? If it can be done it will be like squeezing a balloon. The air just goes somewhere else. The government and the banks will always be a step or two behind the fleeter businesses. By the time it is implemented, there will be workarounds provided. So even with little effort, you and I can continue what we do. They are trying to monitor and control international commerce. Key word being international. This cannot be done. No maybes here. We can only prosecute people in our own country. We will shake our fists at the rest of the world, but a lot of people are no longer listening to Uncle Sam. He is appearing more and more like a lunatic out of control, out of touch.

The panicky will bail first. That always happens. Then? Time will tell. In a way the government is it's own worst enemy when it comes to enforcing laws they really can't. Drug prices are lower than when then when the war started. Prisons are full of low level drug dealers, and more replaced them. Availability is at an all time high, and interdiction levels a all time low. All those drug people found ways around it. The War in Iraq, huge expensive tar baby. Even Afghanistan is slipping backwards. They will undoubtedly raise their hands in triumph when stump talking, but a commoner backlash could comeback to bite them hard. You can only do so much before regular people say, enough is enough.

The religious right is slowly turning our country into a facist state. They must be repudiated before the entire game ends. They are the power brokers, not the front men who are merely puppets. All of the right wingnut religious power brokers must be stood up and straightened out. If everyone just lies down and takes this they will walk all over you until there is nothing left but them, and people afraid to stand up to them. This is the path we are on now. Why are they so powerful? Because they vote, they campaign and fund candidates. They work the political machine to perfection. In order to beat them you have to do the same. Become vocal, more importantly become heard and seen. Vote, write letters and make phone calls. They slipped this in the backdoor at the last minute when no one can do anything about it, the American way. Right wing candidate? Oppose them. Contribute against them, get them voted out. Enough of the Kyl's, Frist's and Leeches. Out.

This war can be stopped in it's tracks because it has close to no support. And it is a war on ourselves. I am not one for panic attacks or whining the game is over. They have one long fight ahead, and I will never rollover and surrender. They will take my betting priveledges away when they bust down my door and drag me off to the gambler's gulag. Until then, I fight.


Best Wishes...OF :howdy:


Froggy, can you please cut down on the parragraphs, my eye's are wiped out after trying to read Ace Ace's fan letters:smoking:


Excellent read... :toast: Should be on the front page of the RX...
 

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OMNIVOROUS FROG said:
I would and will write my congressmen, if they voted for this in the house, or the senate.

This was voted in the House in June if I recall correctly.

Some of the language was stripped out of a more encompassing House Bill and attached to the Safe Port Act, which passed in the Senate without a formal vote.

Don't know exactly how they do that in the US Senate but in a Parliamentary democracy the Speaker calls for the ayes and nays and makes a declaration if the result is obvious.
 

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That's funny that Americans still think they live in a democracy. An American in America is nothing more than a Guest Worker.

Voting in America is the biggest fraud around. Has anyone of you people actually voted for someone you know? Someone that was just like you that wouldn't pass laws to screw americans just for money?

You can only vote for puppets and if you vote for anyone else they call that a "protest vote". Isn't that nice that people who are trying to change things thru their useless vote are called protesters.

America is a fricken joke. The America people are being robbed by a group of greedy parasites and nobody cares. "That's just the way things are." They say.
 

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OMNIVOROUS FROG said:
I wrote this under the law description thread, but figured I can make it it's own thread.

That is the best godammed post you've ever made you sorry son of a bytch and I'm with you 100%. They can pry this keyboard and BetJam account from my cold, dead fingers....and I'm not kidding. Fuck 'em.

Good job, Omni!

Good luck.

tulsa


PS...who do you like tonight...game's about to start: Philly or GB 1st half? LOL! I gotta jab ya..... joke
 

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Woody0 said:
This was voted in the House in June if I recall correctly.

Some of the language was stripped out of a more encompassing House Bill and attached to the Safe Port Act, which passed in the Senate without a formal vote.

Don't know exactly how they do that in the US Senate but in a Parliamentary democracy the Speaker calls for the ayes and nays and makes a declaration if the result is obvious.

The Port bill was passed in the Senate by a "voice vote", which means that none of the cowards had to go on record and be accountable for this. If you're planning to vote in response to this, however, it should be pretty easy to find out where your elected officials stand on this matter. If they hem and haw over it and don't come out and say they opposed it, vote the bastard out!
 

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They slipped this in the backdoor at the last minute when no one can do anything about it, the American way. Right wing candidate? Oppose them. Contribute against them, get them voted out. Enough of the Kyl's, Frist's and Leeches. Out.

Right now Frist and others are very happy they did this. Sometimes people do stupid things and dont think
25 million pokers players so many sports bettors,..... thats alot of votes

Maybe one day Frist and other will look back and say that was a stupid thing we did right before elections

As for banking, how about getting credit cards from foriegn banks for funding you sportbook account and a foreign bank account for withdrawals?
 

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if they voted for this in the house, or the senate. In no uncertain terms I will vote for whoever opposes you, in every election forever. I will also tell everyone of my friends, and tell them to tell their friends. I do not care if the candidate running against you is Sponge Bob Square Pants. I will vote agiainst your entire party if I have to, even change parties. That is language these people understand. I am just about done getting sodomized and trampled under foot.

BINGO!

Thats why all forums and poker sites should have a little sticky and encourage all members to vote for democrats. I have never voted before in any election but now I will! Thats the only way to get rid of these senators, isnt it??

People can even register to vote online!
 

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