My Oklahoma vs. Florida analysis...(way too long)

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Don't feel like just adding it to another thread...so here's my own...


First off, I'm obviously biased. I hate Urban Meyer, I hate Tim Tebow, and I hate everything about the Florida Gators. It's to be expected of me as an FSU fan. That said, we're all biased. You're either ignorant or lying if you say otherwise, and there's no point in arguing me on that. If you want to dismiss the comments as "biased", fair enough, but I've bet on UF plenty this year - including the Florida State game. I root for things as a fan, but I bet on things with (I hope) my head. So here goes:

These are, by far, the two most explosive offensive teams in the country. Even in each team's loss, they've put up plenty of points. OU is the most prolific offense in CFB history, and I don't think it's just because the Big 12 defenses suck. The Big 12 defenses don't suck; this conference is just ahead of the rest of the country when it comes to the offensive side of the ball. We knew going into the season that the QB play in this conference would be outstanding with all the returning starters, and indeed it was. And in college football, QUARTERBACK PLAY RULES ALL. Good defenses help, outstanding running backs get you some wins, but if you've got a playmaker running the show on offense, you'll win football games. Go back and look at every game over the course of the season; I can almost guarantee you that in a high majority of the games, the game was won (or covered ATS) by the team who's QB played better than the opponent's.

The Big 12 defenses have gotten a bad rep this year, but I'm nearly convinced that it's because the defensive coaches simply weren't prepared going into the season to stop these prolific offenses being run by some of the most dynamic QB's in the country. You can't tell me that Baylor is competitive this year because every defense in the Big 12 suddenly started sucking this year, or because their entire team has reached a new level. C'mon, people, it's still Baylor. The difference has been Robert Griffin, a freshman...but one hell of a difference maker and a quarterback. He'd be the third best QB in the SEC behind Tebow and Snead (and maybe even ahead of Snead on certain days), and yet he's probably only the 5th best QB in his own division (and 9th best in his own conference).

The Big 12 isn't down on defense this year. The Big 12 is just changing the face of college football with its offense. This is very important to keep in mind.

On the other side of the field is Florida, where Meyer is running a hybrid of Big 12 South Spread offense with Paul Johnson option offense, and running it with a few of the most athletic players in the country. Harvin, Demps, and Rainey are pure speed, and the receivers are very talented - we all know this. With that said, UF gets too much credit for its speed. Neither Rainey or Demps were able to breakaway from FSU's secondary on long runs in that game. Was it the turf on that rainy day? Maybe. But the video doesn't lie; both players got run down from behind. The *difference* between UF's "speed" and every other team in the country is that they have WAY more depth with it. Every offensive skill player is fast, as opposed to one or two. This simply means that they have more options, obviously an asset when running Meyer's option-based system. UF's is very, very fast, but ESPN has been inflating this line for the past 5 months while talking about UF's speed in the same way that they talked about USC's and Reggie Bush's back a few years ago. Amidst all the love for the Big 12 south this year, UF has been ESPN's favorite team ever since USC lost, and Vegas has TV's too.

Can Florida's defense stop OU? Simply...NO. They may draw up some unique blitzes to try and confuse Bradford for awhile...they may even get a turnover or two from their talented (but young) secondary. But OU will score points. Their offensive line should dominate a UF d-line that is simply not that good and arguably the weakest position on a very talented UF team. If Murray is healthy and running like he's capable of, then I'd be shocked if OU scored less than 45. Anybody claming OU hasn't seen a defense this good is absolutely retarded: TCU's defense > UF's defense. Cincy and UT's defenses might be better too. UF is still young on defense, and while they have some playmakers (Spikes), the young secondary is still very capable of being beaten by an efficient passer (Snead). Rather than arguing that OU hasn't seen a defense like UF's (false), it should be noted that UF's defense hasn't faced an offense like OU's. By the middle of the 2nd quarter, I fully expect UF's defense to be very frustrated. Charlie Strong and his FR/SO secondary is not good enough to stop an offense that is unstoppable.

Can OU stop UF? The history of this season suggests they can't, and, along with everyone else in the world, I don't really think they do. UF WILL move the ball. But if OU plays a defense similiar to the one they played against Texas Tech (bend but don't break, and don't surrender the big play), then Tebow may very well try to start pressing. When under pressure, he doesn't know what to do. He gets happy feet, and more often than not, he simply scrambles. Stuck in the pocket for an extended length of time, forced to read the secondary, he sucks. It's why he doesn't stand a chance as an NFL QB barring major, major improvement. I think OU would be wise to avoid blitzing too much. Guard the slant route and the deep wheel or go route, and UF's passing attack disappears. Hopefully OU spends the next month watching tape and realizes this.

So thus far, I think OU has both the offensive and defensive advantage.

As far special teams, UF has a clear advantage. OU's special teams flat-out suck. I'd argue that it cost them the Texas game. And UF excels at special teams. The Kentucky game was over halfway through the 1st quarter because of it, and that was without Brandon James even touching the ball. In a game of this magnitude, this is very important, and could very well be the difference in the game. With that said, special teams is easier to fix in a month's time than are offensive or defensive deficiences, so this gap may be reduced by January 8th. I'm not really counting on it though.

As for coaching...UF has the advantage here as well. Not necessarily in terms of schemes, strategies, or motivation, as I don't think OU puts out a team as good as they've had for so many years without great coaching, but something's different, and I think most of us recognize it. OU has a nasty recent history of underperforming in their bowl games, while Meyer was just there, victorious, two years ago. In the big game, UF under Meyer seems to show up slightly better than OU under Stoops...at least so far.

So...way too much text later, I've come to this:

Offense: Advantage OU
Defense: Nothing significant (although OU has seen more potent offenses, and thus could have some advantage)
Special Teams: Advantage UF
Coaching: Advantage UF

All things considered, including my biases, I think this game should be a pick'em. I think the only reason it isn't is because ESPN absolutely loves UF, Tim Tebow, Urban Meyer, and because the last two national championships have been SEC ass-kickings. Even in a game with this much money on the line, with this much time for analysis, and under this much magnitude, the line has been inflated.

I like OU in this game. Defense wins championships, but neither team has one. So I'm going with the better offense. It won't be a big play by any means, as I think with a game this close, with this many points likely to be scored, a large bet on either side is going to depend on a lot on luck, weird bounces, and just how well some 18-22 year old kids perform after a month off. It's truly a gamble, and there are a lot of better games out there to bet on, imo.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts, from someone that has watched almost every single game that has been put on the air this year. Good luck this bowl season, and may God have pity on your soul if you bothered to read all this.
 
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Very nice asessment. Very nice. I disagree with your take on the OU defense however. I think they'll be extremely surprised and taken aback by Florida's speed. Texas seemed faster than OU in the Cotton Bowl (I was there and witnessed it in person), so I'd be worried about what Florida looks like if Texas was faster. Also, Bradford gets as happy a feet as you can get once he starts getting pressured. I'm a true believer in Florida's Charlie Strong. Much moreso than Venables. If Venables couldn't stop McCoy, how in god's name is he gonna stop Tebow? Again, I hate to bring up the Texas game so much, but that was the only game OU was tested, and they got beat by double digits. That is why i think OU loses this game, by at least 2 touchdowns. As much as Sooner backers hate to hear this too; OU's numbers on offense are GROSSLY overinflated. I will say if Murray is healthy, they'll make it a better contest. Again, I just don't know how the Sooners stay on the field with the Gators. We shall see. Thanks for taking the time to write up your analysis. BOL.
 

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Come on - the D's are terrible. KSU is avging close to 30ppg and they are HORRIBLE. The #7 scoring O is KU at 31+ppg. Are you still trying to tell me that D's are underrated?

Demps, Rainey, and Harvin on a dry field SMOKE those FSU DBs. Not too surprising Rainey got caught even though the guy had angle. It did take 60yds BTW.

OU's OL will dominate UF? Based on what? Name me an OL that has dominated UF this year? OU will not score 45 on UF. This sounds very 2006. TCU's defense has nothing on UF. Get real. That comment is pure bias.

The history of the season says UF can't stop a passing team? Based on what? UF's #2 rated pass efficiency defense? Yeah that sucks after 13 games. UF's defense is better than anything OU has seen. Will OU score - sure they will and probably a lot, but that doesn't mean UF won't score more.

UFs offense is NOTHING like TTU. Its more like Okie State who ran all over OU before running out of gas.

If UF is starting their drives at the 40/45 all game long they will light up the scoreboard like a pinball machine.

Your whole post is way off and frankly the "hope" that UF will lose and lose badly stinks throughout the post. Your statement that UF doesn't have a defense destroys any chance you had.
 

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Come on - the D's are terrible. KSU is avging close to 30ppg and they are HORRIBLE. The #7 scoring O is KU at 31+ppg. Are you still trying to tell me that D's are underrated?

Demps, Rainey, and Harvin on a dry field SMOKE those FSU DBs. Not too surprising Rainey got caught even though the guy had angle. It did take 60yds BTW.

OU's OL will dominate UF? Based on what? Name me an OL that has dominated UF this year? OU will not score 45 on UF. This sounds very 2006. TCU's defense has nothing on UF. Get real. That comment is pure bias.

The history of the season says UF can't stop a passing team? Based on what? UF's #2 rated pass efficiency defense? Yeah that sucks after 13 games. UF's defense is better than anything OU has seen. Will OU score - sure they will and probably a lot, but that doesn't mean UF won't score more.

UFs offense is NOTHING like TTU. Its more like Okie State who ran all over OU before running out of gas.

If UF is starting their drives at the 40/45 all game long they will light up the scoreboard like a pinball machine.

Your whole post is way off and frankly the "hope" that UF will lose and lose badly stinks throughout the post. Your statement that UF doesn't have a defense destroys any chance you had.

Actually, I think this is a much better analysis....sorry low rollin noles fan. I don't see how OU stays on the field with Florida. I really don't. Talk about my avatar all you want....but OU doesn't deserve to be in this game. They ran up the score and that's how they're there. Karma will be coming back against them all at once.
 

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Don't feel like just adding it to another thread...so here's my own...


First off, I'm obviously biased. I hate Urban Meyer, I hate Tim Tebow, and I hate everything about the Florida Gators. It's to be expected of me as an FSU fan. That said, we're all biased. You're either ignorant or lying if you say otherwise, and there's no point in arguing me on that. If you want to dismiss the comments as "biased", fair enough, but I've bet on UF plenty this year - including the Florida State game. I root for things as a fan, but I bet on things with (I hope) my head. So here goes:

These are, by far, the two most explosive offensive teams in the country. Even in each team's loss, they've put up plenty of points. OU is the most prolific offense in CFB history, and I don't think it's just because the Big 12 defenses suck. The Big 12 defenses don't suck; this conference is just ahead of the rest of the country when it comes to the offensive side of the ball. We knew going into the season that the QB play in this conference would be outstanding with all the returning starters, and indeed it was. And in college football, QUARTERBACK PLAY RULES ALL. Good defenses help, outstanding running backs get you some wins, but if you've got a playmaker running the show on offense, you'll win football games. Go back and look at every game over the course of the season; I can almost guarantee you that in a high majority of the games, the game was won (or covered ATS) by the team who's QB played better than the opponent's.

The Big 12 defenses have gotten a bad rep this year, but I'm nearly convinced that it's because the defensive coaches simply weren't prepared going into the season to stop these prolific offenses being run by some of the most dynamic QB's in the country. You can't tell me that Baylor is competitive this year because every defense in the Big 12 suddenly started sucking this year, or because their entire team has reached a new level. C'mon, people, it's still Baylor. The difference has been Robert Griffin, a freshman...but one hell of a difference maker and a quarterback. He'd be the third best QB in the SEC behind Tebow and Snead (and maybe even ahead of Snead on certain days), and yet he's probably only the 5th best QB in his own division (and 9th best in his own conference).

The Big 12 isn't down on defense this year. The Big 12 is just changing the face of college football with its offense. This is very important to keep in mind.

On the other side of the field is Florida, where Meyer is running a hybrid of Big 12 South Spread offense with Paul Johnson option offense, and running it with a few of the most athletic players in the country. Harvin, Demps, and Rainey are pure speed, and the receivers are very talented - we all know this. With that said, UF gets too much credit for its speed. Neither Rainey or Demps were able to breakaway from FSU's secondary on long runs in that game. Was it the turf on that rainy day? Maybe. But the video doesn't lie; both players got run down from behind. The *difference* between UF's "speed" and every other team in the country is that they have WAY more depth with it. Every offensive skill player is fast, as opposed to one or two. This simply means that they have more options, obviously an asset when running Meyer's option-based system. UF's is very, very fast, but ESPN has been inflating this line for the past 5 months while talking about UF's speed in the same way that they talked about USC's and Reggie Bush's back a few years ago. Amidst all the love for the Big 12 south this year, UF has been ESPN's favorite team ever since USC lost, and Vegas has TV's too.

Can Florida's defense stop OU? Simply...NO. They may draw up some unique blitzes to try and confuse Bradford for awhile...they may even get a turnover or two from their talented (but young) secondary. But OU will score points. Their offensive line should dominate a UF d-line that is simply not that good and arguably the weakest position on a very talented UF team. If Murray is healthy and running like he's capable of, then I'd be shocked if OU scored less than 45. Anybody claming OU hasn't seen a defense this good is absolutely retarded: TCU's defense > UF's defense. Cincy and UT's defenses might be better too. UF is still young on defense, and while they have some playmakers (Spikes), the young secondary is still very capable of being beaten by an efficient passer (Snead). Rather than arguing that OU hasn't seen a defense like UF's (false), it should be noted that UF's defense hasn't faced an offense like OU's. By the middle of the 2nd quarter, I fully expect UF's defense to be very frustrated. Charlie Strong and his FR/SO secondary is not good enough to stop an offense that is unstoppable.

Can OU stop UF? The history of this season suggests they can't, and, along with everyone else in the world, I don't really think they do. UF WILL move the ball. But if OU plays a defense similiar to the one they played against Texas Tech (bend but don't break, and don't surrender the big play), then Tebow may very well try to start pressing. When under pressure, he doesn't know what to do. He gets happy feet, and more often than not, he simply scrambles. Stuck in the pocket for an extended length of time, forced to read the secondary, he sucks. It's why he doesn't stand a chance as an NFL QB barring major, major improvement. I think OU would be wise to avoid blitzing too much. Guard the slant route and the deep wheel or go route, and UF's passing attack disappears. Hopefully OU spends the next month watching tape and realizes this.

So thus far, I think OU has both the offensive and defensive advantage.

As far special teams, UF has a clear advantage. OU's special teams flat-out suck. I'd argue that it cost them the Texas game. And UF excels at special teams. The Kentucky game was over halfway through the 1st quarter because of it, and that was without Brandon James even touching the ball. In a game of this magnitude, this is very important, and could very well be the difference in the game. With that said, special teams is easier to fix in a month's time than are offensive or defensive deficiences, so this gap may be reduced by January 8th. I'm not really counting on it though.

As for coaching...UF has the advantage here as well. Not necessarily in terms of schemes, strategies, or motivation, as I don't think OU puts out a team as good as they've had for so many years without great coaching, but something's different, and I think most of us recognize it. OU has a nasty recent history of underperforming in their bowl games, while Meyer was just there, victorious, two years ago. In the big game, UF under Meyer seems to show up slightly better than OU under Stoops...at least so far.

So...way too much text later, I've come to this:

Offense: Advantage OU
Defense: Nothing significant (although OU has seen more potent offenses, and thus could have some advantage)
Special Teams: Advantage UF
Coaching: Advantage UF

All things considered, including my biases, I think this game should be a pick'em. I think the only reason it isn't is because ESPN absolutely loves UF, Tim Tebow, Urban Meyer, and because the last two national championships have been SEC ass-kickings. Even in a game with this much money on the line, with this much time for analysis, and under this much magnitude, the line has been inflated.

I like OU in this game. Defense wins championships, but neither team has one. So I'm going with the better offense. It won't be a big play by any means, as I think with a game this close, with this many points likely to be scored, a large bet on either side is going to depend on a lot on luck, weird bounces, and just how well some 18-22 year old kids perform after a month off. It's truly a gamble, and there are a lot of better games out there to bet on, imo.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts, from someone that has watched almost every single game that has been put on the air this year. Good luck this bowl season, and may God have pity on your soul if you bothered to read all this.

there will be 100 different threads on this game over the course of the next month. but i think the bolded part summarizes everything perfectly. the total is high for two reasons: one, both offenses are outstanding - some of the best ncaa ball has seen in years. but let's not forget 'two', because both of these defenses are below national championship caliber. very good post overall.
 
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I don't know why I'm going to bother with you anymore, as your UF bias is overhwelmingly more prevalent than my anti-UF bias, but I can't resist:

Come on - the D's are terrible. KSU is avging close to 30ppg and they are HORRIBLE. The #7 scoring O is KU at 31+ppg. Are you still trying to tell me that D's are underrated?

Demps, Rainey, and Harvin on a dry field SMOKE those FSU DBs. Not too surprising Rainey got caught even though the guy had angle. It did take 60yds BTW.

OU's OL will dominate UF? Based on what? Name me an OL that has dominated UF this year? OU will not score 45 on UF. This sounds very 2006. TCU's defense has nothing on UF. Get real. That comment is pure bias.

The history of the season says UF can't stop a passing team? Based on what? UF's #2 rated pass efficiency defense? Yeah that sucks after 13 games. UF's defense is better than anything OU has seen. Will OU score - sure they will and probably a lot, but that doesn't mean UF won't score more.

UFs offense is NOTHING like TTU. Its more like Okie State who ran all over OU before running out of gas.

If UF is starting their drives at the 40/45 all game long they will light up the scoreboard like a pinball machine.

Your whole post is way off and frankly the "hope" that UF will lose and lose badly stinks throughout the post. Your statement that UF doesn't have a defense destroys any chance you had.

K-State has a pretty good offense. Freeman is generally considered to be a Top 5 NFL prospect for junior QBs, and while he has had his terrible moments, he's also had some very good ones. KSU's WR's and Freeman were the only thing they had going for them this year...it shouldn't come as a surprise they lost in a lot of shootouts. As for KU...Reesing was absolutely solid, Brizcoe is an absolute stud and potential NFL WR, and Mangino is an amazing coach (even though I can't stand the guy).

The Big 12 offenses are just amazing this year, and while people have seen them perform at such a high level for so long now that they've begun to question if it's just the defenses sucking, I'm still siding with offensive proficiency. Like I said in my post, college success is based first and foremost on QB play, and the Big 12 has had exceptional QB play. That explains their monster offensive numbers this year, not a sudden drop-off in defensive ability.

I love how you think Demps, Harvin, and Rainey would SMOKE any FSU player on a dry field. LOL. You want to talk about comments that should disqualify an entire post; start with that one. Rainey was running at an angle *away* from the FSU DB. And the FSU DB was running on the same wet field as Rainey. (And what about Demps?? He got caught by freakin' Mangum, a 3-star backup). FSU's players are cut from the same cloth; it's why there's such intensity, hatred, and it's a rivalry. I can give UF credit for being damn fast; but you're too much a homer to recognize that that speed has been overrated by the circle-jerkers at ESPN and Verne-can't-even-see-the-field-Lundquist.

True, no OL has really dominated UF this year. Although Coffee sure was gashing UF pretty good last weekend. As for TCU being nowhere near as good as UF...gimme a break, homer. TCU has a damn good defense, full of Texas athletes, and very well-coached. To simply dismiss the argument that TCU's D is as good as UF's is pure homer bias, not the other way around.

I realize UF's offense isn't the same as TTU's. I never said it was. But, like TTU, you must stop the big plays. Force Tebow to grind out 4 yards 20+ times, and make him throw slants and short stuff as opposed to 40-yd wheel routes. Force him to make passing decisions in terms of reading coverages on a consistent basis, and your chances greatly improve.

UF is very good. I've said all year they're probably the best in the country. But after these past few weeks, assuming OU isn't rusty and performs similiarly on offense to the way they have recently, there's simply no way that UF can outscore OU. Bradford is a better QB than Tebow, and hopefully he doesn't get bitten by the Heisman curse and proves me right on the big stage (the one thing you're right about is me wanting UF to lose).
 

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LMAO - whatever. I look at games and teams I know well. You've been wrong about everything we've discussed all season.

Coffee had a great game, but still only had 110yds and Bama only 135. For a team that runs for over 200 ypg that's pretty great.

TCU plays in a secondary league and teams like LSU, UGA, and Bama would run all over them.

If you make UF and Tebow grind out yards all you do is keep OU's O on the sidelines while the Gators chew up the clock. That plays into UFs hands.

OUs O stats are blown up from pounding on tomato cans and leaving the starters in all game. You don't think UF could have score 80 on Vandy this year? Or 100 on Citadel? What about Hawaii? UFs starters on both sides were on the bench in the 4thQ for 11 of 13 games.
 

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Don't feel like just adding it to another thread...so here's my own...


First off, I'm obviously biased. I hate Urban Meyer, I hate Tim Tebow, and I hate everything about the Florida Gators. It's to be expected of me as an FSU fan. That said, we're all biased. You're either ignorant or lying if you say otherwise, and there's no point in arguing me on that. If you want to dismiss the comments as "biased", fair enough, but I've bet on UF plenty this year - including the Florida State game. I root for things as a fan, but I bet on things with (I hope) my head. So here goes:

These are, by far, the two most explosive offensive teams in the country. Even in each team's loss, they've put up plenty of points. OU is the most prolific offense in CFB history, and I don't think it's just because the Big 12 defenses suck. The Big 12 defenses don't suck; this conference is just ahead of the rest of the country when it comes to the offensive side of the ball. We knew going into the season that the QB play in this conference would be outstanding with all the returning starters, and indeed it was. And in college football, QUARTERBACK PLAY RULES ALL. Good defenses help, outstanding running backs get you some wins, but if you've got a playmaker running the show on offense, you'll win football games. Go back and look at every game over the course of the season; I can almost guarantee you that in a high majority of the games, the game was won (or covered ATS) by the team who's QB played better than the opponent's.

The Big 12 defenses have gotten a bad rep this year, but I'm nearly convinced that it's because the defensive coaches simply weren't prepared going into the season to stop these prolific offenses being run by some of the most dynamic QB's in the country. You can't tell me that Baylor is competitive this year because every defense in the Big 12 suddenly started sucking this year, or because their entire team has reached a new level. C'mon, people, it's still Baylor. The difference has been Robert Griffin, a freshman...but one hell of a difference maker and a quarterback. He'd be the third best QB in the SEC behind Tebow and Snead (and maybe even ahead of Snead on certain days), and yet he's probably only the 5th best QB in his own division (and 9th best in his own conference).

The Big 12 isn't down on defense this year. The Big 12 is just changing the face of college football with its offense. This is very important to keep in mind.

On the other side of the field is Florida, where Meyer is running a hybrid of Big 12 South Spread offense with Paul Johnson option offense, and running it with a few of the most athletic players in the country. Harvin, Demps, and Rainey are pure speed, and the receivers are very talented - we all know this. With that said, UF gets too much credit for its speed. Neither Rainey or Demps were able to breakaway from FSU's secondary on long runs in that game. Was it the turf on that rainy day? Maybe. But the video doesn't lie; both players got run down from behind. The *difference* between UF's "speed" and every other team in the country is that they have WAY more depth with it. Every offensive skill player is fast, as opposed to one or two. This simply means that they have more options, obviously an asset when running Meyer's option-based system. UF's is very, very fast, but ESPN has been inflating this line for the past 5 months while talking about UF's speed in the same way that they talked about USC's and Reggie Bush's back a few years ago. Amidst all the love for the Big 12 south this year, UF has been ESPN's favorite team ever since USC lost, and Vegas has TV's too.

Can Florida's defense stop OU? Simply...NO. They may draw up some unique blitzes to try and confuse Bradford for awhile...they may even get a turnover or two from their talented (but young) secondary. But OU will score points. Their offensive line should dominate a UF d-line that is simply not that good and arguably the weakest position on a very talented UF team. If Murray is healthy and running like he's capable of, then I'd be shocked if OU scored less than 45. Anybody claming OU hasn't seen a defense this good is absolutely retarded: TCU's defense > UF's defense. Cincy and UT's defenses might be better too. UF is still young on defense, and while they have some playmakers (Spikes), the young secondary is still very capable of being beaten by an efficient passer (Snead). Rather than arguing that OU hasn't seen a defense like UF's (false), it should be noted that UF's defense hasn't faced an offense like OU's. By the middle of the 2nd quarter, I fully expect UF's defense to be very frustrated. Charlie Strong and his FR/SO secondary is not good enough to stop an offense that is unstoppable.

Can OU stop UF? The history of this season suggests they can't, and, along with everyone else in the world, I don't really think they do. UF WILL move the ball. But if OU plays a defense similiar to the one they played against Texas Tech (bend but don't break, and don't surrender the big play), then Tebow may very well try to start pressing. When under pressure, he doesn't know what to do. He gets happy feet, and more often than not, he simply scrambles. Stuck in the pocket for an extended length of time, forced to read the secondary, he sucks. It's why he doesn't stand a chance as an NFL QB barring major, major improvement. I think OU would be wise to avoid blitzing too much. Guard the slant route and the deep wheel or go route, and UF's passing attack disappears. Hopefully OU spends the next month watching tape and realizes this.

So thus far, I think OU has both the offensive and defensive advantage.

As far special teams, UF has a clear advantage. OU's special teams flat-out suck. I'd argue that it cost them the Texas game. And UF excels at special teams. The Kentucky game was over halfway through the 1st quarter because of it, and that was without Brandon James even touching the ball. In a game of this magnitude, this is very important, and could very well be the difference in the game. With that said, special teams is easier to fix in a month's time than are offensive or defensive deficiences, so this gap may be reduced by January 8th. I'm not really counting on it though.

As for coaching...UF has the advantage here as well. Not necessarily in terms of schemes, strategies, or motivation, as I don't think OU puts out a team as good as they've had for so many years without great coaching, but something's different, and I think most of us recognize it. OU has a nasty recent history of underperforming in their bowl games, while Meyer was just there, victorious, two years ago. In the big game, UF under Meyer seems to show up slightly better than OU under Stoops...at least so far.

So...way too much text later, I've come to this:

Offense: Advantage OU
Defense: Nothing significant (although OU has seen more potent offenses, and thus could have some advantage)
Special Teams: Advantage UF
Coaching: Advantage UF

All things considered, including my biases, I think this game should be a pick'em. I think the only reason it isn't is because ESPN absolutely loves UF, Tim Tebow, Urban Meyer, and because the last two national championships have been SEC ass-kickings. Even in a game with this much money on the line, with this much time for analysis, and under this much magnitude, the line has been inflated.

I like OU in this game. Defense wins championships, but neither team has one. So I'm going with the better offense. It won't be a big play by any means, as I think with a game this close, with this many points likely to be scored, a large bet on either side is going to depend on a lot on luck, weird bounces, and just how well some 18-22 year old kids perform after a month off. It's truly a gamble, and there are a lot of better games out there to bet on, imo.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts, from someone that has watched almost every single game that has been put on the air this year. Good luck this bowl season, and may God have pity on your soul if you bothered to read all this.


UF doesnt have a defense? How many points would fsu score had they had one? This post is so off base I dont even know where or how to attack it... good luck in the dog food bowl though.

And FYI FSU had zero td's on our first team D.
 
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UF has a defense. They just haven't been tested much this year. The SEC offenses were horrendous this year (aside from Ole Miss and UGA), and their OOC competition was no better (Hawaii at the beginning of the season was inept...Miami and FSU are not potent offenses yet).

I just don't have faith that Charlie Strong and his young secondary will hold up. Maybe you arrogant Gator pricks will get your wish and I'll be proved wrong. That's why they play the games.
 

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UF has a defense. They just haven't been tested much this year. The SEC offenses were horrendous this year (aside from Ole Miss and UGA), and their OOC competition was no better (Hawaii at the beginning of the season was inept...Miami and FSU are not potent offenses yet).

I just don't have faith that Charlie Strong and his young secondary will hold up. Maybe you arrogant Gator pricks will get your wish and I'll be proved wrong. That's why they play the games.


Agreed.. however, ou offense hasn't been put to the test either. TCU does NOT have the same Texas hs players that go to Texas, tech and OU. UF is littered with immense talent all over the defensive side of the ball. And FYI, that young secondary is stout; janoris jenkins plays like a senior and Haden on the other side is an absolute ball hawk. Coach Bedford has done one hell of a job with the secondary in general.
 

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LMAO - whatever. I look at games and teams I know well. You've been wrong about everything we've discussed all season.

Coffee had a great game, but still only had 110yds and Bama only 135. For a team that runs for over 200 ypg that's pretty great.

TCU plays in a secondary league and teams like LSU, UGA, and Bama would run all over them.

If you make UF and Tebow grind out yards all you do is keep OU's O on the sidelines while the Gators chew up the clock. That plays into UFs hands.

OUs O stats are blown up from pounding on tomato cans and leaving the starters in all game. You don't think UF could have score 80 on Vandy this year? Or 100 on Citadel? What about Hawaii? UFs starters on both sides were on the bench in the 4thQ for 11 of 13 games.

TCU would beat LSU, and could easily play with both UGA and Bama. C'mon man, you're way too biased towards Florida with everything you write about this game. I'm not saying Florida won't win, but you make it seem WAY too easy. Oklahoma has the better offense IMO and Florida doesn't really have a good defense. They might have a slightly better defense, but it's still not good and you could definitely argue TCU has a stronger defense. I personally think Oklahoma wins this game, but good luck.
 

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TCU would beat LSU, and could easily play with both UGA and Bama. C'mon man, you're way too biased towards Florida with everything you write about this game. I'm not saying Florida won't win, but you make it seem WAY too easy. Oklahoma has the better offense IMO and Florida doesn't really have a good defense. They might have a slightly better defense, but it's still not good and you could definitely argue TCU has a stronger defense. I personally think Oklahoma wins this game, but good luck.

Man someones in love w TCU... :hump: Maybe if they had a kicker...

but oh yeah they dont.
 

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TCU would beat LSU, and could easily play with both UGA and Bama. C'mon man, you're way too biased towards Florida with everything you write about this game. I'm not saying Florida won't win, but you make it seem WAY too easy. Oklahoma has the better offense IMO and Florida doesn't really have a good defense. They might have a slightly better defense, but it's still not good and you could definitely argue TCU has a stronger defense. I personally think Oklahoma wins this game, but good luck.


TCU would not score on Bama and UGA would work that secondary like it was habit. TCU's defense is NOWHERE near uf, the athletes arent even comparable. And UF DOES have a good defense, not great but damn solid... i dont know what world you have been living in.
 

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and TCU really only played 2 good teams OU and Utah and they lost both..

Wyoming?? Stephen F Austin??? New Mexico???? SMU???? San Diego St????? Stanford?????? UNLV???????
 

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Man someones in love w TCU... :hump: Maybe if they had a kicker...

but oh yeah they dont.

Not in love with them, but they are the best non BCS team this year and are better than average/below average BCS teams like LSU. Georgia has way more talent but TCU might be able to play with them because Richt obviously can't put that talent to use. TCU would get killed by the top teams because of their offense, but they can play with everyone else.

And do you know how many teams in college have shitty kickers? It's more rare to find a good one than a terrible one.
 

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and TCU really only played 2 good teams OU and Utah and they lost both..

Wyoming?? Stephen F Austin??? New Mexico???? SMU???? San Diego St????? Stanford?????? UNLV???????

Oh, please don't tell me the same guy on Boise's nuts is bringing up schedules. If that's not irony I don't know what is..
 

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and they really only played 2 good teams OU and Utah and they lost both..

Wyoming?? Stephen F Austin??? New Mexico???? SMU???? San Diego St????? Stanford?????? UNLV???????


Thats exactly what im screaming... between smu, sdsu, sfa and wyoming?!?! Damn, some tough games in there.
 

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Oh, please don't tell me the same guy on Boise's nuts is bringing up schedules. If that's not irony I don't know what is..

Hate to tell ya but they are comparable... and I can admit it.
 
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The love-fest for the SEC by these Gator boys is sad.

Year-in and year-out I praise the SEC and claim it to be the best conference in the country. My favorite games to watch each season are CBS afternoon games. The athletes are top-notch, and the overall level of play is extraordinary.

But the SEC is down this year, and it's because it's QB's have played horribly. It doesn't help that a few teams have tried to become what they don't have the personnel to be (Auburn and UT, trying to be spread offenses...like the Big 12). The talent is still very much there, no doubt about it; but the quality of play on the field has left a lot to be desired. Wake beat Ole Miss, GT beat UGA...aside from UF, the SEC has not been a *good* conference this year in terms of typical SEC quality-of-play, thus inflated UF wins/covers/public perception.

Jenkins is a good player, but he *is* still a freshman. He's going to make mistakes; it's what freshman DB do. Haden is damn good too, but he's only a sophomore. Wright is a hard hitter - no doubt about it - but his pass coverage still needs work. Who knows what he was doing on that deep sideline pass in the Ole Miss game. The UF secondary is very talented. But it is very young, and against a composed, veteran QB, behind an incredible, veteran O-line, I think they'll find themselves flustered. Who is going to guard Gresham? Spikes? Then it's Demarco Murray/Chris Brown time...

This OU offense - when working on all cylinders and playing their game - is simply too good. If they get slowed down, it won't be because of UF's defensive prowess. It will be because of rusty, unfocued play resulting from poor preparation on the part of Stoops.
 

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The love-fest for the SEC by these Gator boys is sad.

Year-in and year-out I praise the SEC and claim it to be the best conference in the country. My favorite games to watch each season are CBS afternoon games. The athletes are top-notch, and the overall level of play is extraordinary.

But the SEC is down this year, and it's because it's QB's have played horribly. It doesn't help that a few teams have tried to become what they don't have the personnel to be (Auburn and UT, trying to be spread offenses...like the Big 12). The talent is still very much there, no doubt about it; but the quality of play on the field has left a lot to be desired. Wake beat Ole Miss, GT beat UGA...aside from UF, the SEC has not been a *good* conference this year in terms of typical SEC quality-of-play, thus inflated UF wins/covers/public perception.

Jenkins is a good player, but he *is* still a freshman. He's going to make mistakes; it's what freshman DB do. Haden is damn good too, but he's only a sophomore. Wright is a hard hitter - no doubt about it - but his pass coverage still needs work. Who knows what he was doing on that deep sideline pass in the Ole Miss game. The UF secondary is very talented. But it is very young, and against a composed, veteran QB, behind an incredible, veteran O-line, I think they'll find themselves flustered. Who is going to guard Gresham? Spikes? Then it's Demarco Murray/Chris Brown time...

This OU offense - when working on all cylinders and playing their game - is simply too good. If they get slowed down, it won't be because of UF's defensive prowess. It will be because of rusty, unfocued play resulting from poor preparation on the part of Stoops.


1. Chris Rainey and John Demps speed is not hype, they are both extremely fast, regardless of what happened in the FSU game. You have to admit, the field conditions weren't exactly ideal for a footrace. The other thing people always fail to understand also, is that a RB starts 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage and by the time they get to the secondary, they have run 15-20 yards, THEN the secondary starts running and many times in both NFL and college the faster players will get run down from behind because they are winded/tired from running the additional yards. Either way, these guys have broken into the secondary all year and no one has caught them, and the one game where there is 2 inches of rain on the field Rainey gets run down. Not to mention, the guy has a groin injury, and has barely played lately and was playing injured in the FSU game. Rainey, who is the leading rusher, got 1 carry for 1 yard in the SEC Title game and never returned.

2. AJ Jones can cover Gresham, OLB with speed and tremendous cover skills. He has been outstanding in the passing game this year.

Not going to get into everything else, just wanted to point out those 2 things.
 

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