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[DeathEatsaCracker]

I'll debate with you all day long on this issue, you have already shown by your statement that you are seriously deluded and ignorant on the issue of intelligent design.

"Every single scientific discipline since the onset of natural philosophy proves evolution"

100% horseshit.

Really? Please provide your published, peer-reviewed evidence against evolution. Also, please explain why the scientist who has discovered this evidence isn't on the cover of every magazine and isn't a household name.

You get bonus points if the person(s) who have provided this "evidence" against evolution isn't Christian.

 

[Mr_Mark]

Have you ever studied the theory of evolution? Have you ever taken an accredited university course in anthropology, geology, biology, chemistry, or astronomy? Evolution has been the subject of countless peer reviewed projections, documents, and tests - it is constantly changing and becoming more complete. Your theory has never been tested, cannot be measured, has no definitive authorship, and purports countless events which are most certainly definitively false. Your faith is based on nothing but what you were spoon-fed as a child, but is the only leg you have to stand. My generation is leaving the faith in record numbers - no coincidence considering the rise of the Internet and the vast amount of knowledge available to the public. By the way...gravity is a theory too...bet you believe in that right?

EXACTLY. It is only a Theory. New evidence is constantly being found to support and discredit the theory

 

[Shub]

Nobody knows for sure, that's the beauty of it. You can debate this all day long.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

EXACTLY. It is only a Theory. New evidence is constantly being found to support and discredit the theory

Oh for fuck's sake. Not this "it's only a theory" bullshit again. This just shows how completely uninformed the people who argue against evolution are.

A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step—known as a theory—in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon.

When used in non-scientific context, the word “theory” implies that something is unproven or speculative. As used in science, however, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.

Educate yourself, clown.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

Nobody knows for sure, that's the beauty of it. You can debate this all day long.

Incorrect.

 

[KillaRSox]

You guys sound like a bunch of children arguing over what came first, the chicken or the egg.....

What the hell difference does it make HOW things happened? They happened and we're here now....

 

[JustinCruise]

You guys sound like a bunch of children arguing over what came first, the chicken or the egg.....

What the hell difference does it make HOW things happened? They happened and we're here now....

such a shallow viewpoint. Understanding the universe and our place in it is the most important endeavor there is.


Its a good thing other people throughout history haven't thought like you. Imagine where we would be if no one cared "how things happened".

 

[ALSportsJunkie]

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[ALSportsJunkie]

EXACTLY. It is only a Theory. New evidence is constantly being found to support and discredit the theory

Show me all the evidence that discredits it. Bonus points if it isn't from some hack creationist scientist.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

You guys sound like a bunch of children arguing over what came first, the chicken or the egg.....

What the hell difference does it make HOW things happened? They happened and we're here now....

It's important because helping people to understand our origins makes them realize that god isn't necessary for the universe to function properly.

That's why theists desperately fight against evolution.

 

[CHOPTALK]

C'mon, CHOP. You're smarter than this. I expect this from a lot of the dolts on this forum, but not you.

Every single scientific discipline since the onset of natural philosophy proves evolution. There is not one, single shred of evidence to support your position. Not one. You have nothing. And there is not one single shred of evidence that disproves evolution. Not one.

It's been game, set and match for theists for 160 years. It's over, but some continue to grasp desperately to supernatural origins.

Stop being naive.

I'm not disputing evolution at all. I believe in evolution and I do not believe in the biblical account of creation the way it was written. Evolution and intelligent design can co-exist.
Evolution and the biblical account of creation cannot co-exist.

 

[CHOPTALK]

such a shallow viewpoint. Understanding the universe and our place in it is the most important endeavor there is.


Its a good thing other people throughout history haven't thought like you. Imagine where we would be if no one cared "how things happened".

This is your greatest post ever

 

[festeringZit]

Show me all the evidence that discredits it. Bonus points if it isn't from some hack creationist scientist.

The foundations of Darwinism are bankrupt. The theory does not work.

For those who actually follow the issues, instead of talking about them blindly: James Shapiro has come out with a book that "proves" that Darwinism is a joke, is false, is bankrupt. Oh, by the way Shapiro is not a theist, he is:

James A. Shapiro is Professor of Microbiology at the University of Chicago. He has a BA in English Literature from Harvard (1964) and a PhD in Genetics from Cambridge (1968). William Hayes was his PhD supervisor, and Sydney Brenner was an unofficial adviser during his time in Cambridge as a Marshall Scholar.

James A. Shapiro's Evolution: A View from the 21st Century proposes an important new paradigm for understanding biological evolution. Shapiro demonstrates why traditional views of evolution are inadequate to explain the latest evidence, and presents a compelling alternative. His information- and systems-based approach integrates advances in symbiogenesis, epigenetics, and mobile genetic elements, and points toward an emerging synthesis of physical, information, and biological sciences.

Now, I think Shapiro punts the critical issues, since he is a material naturalist, but what he does show, is that the concepts of Darwinism that have been so popular over the last 100+ years are bullshit.

 

[festeringZit]

Show me all the evidence that discredits it. Bonus points if it isn't from some hack creationist scientist.

Here is another:

The venerable Thomas Nagel has just come out with a book entitled:
[h=1]Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature Is Almost Certainly False[/h]

The modern materialist approach to life has conspicuously failed to explain such central mind-related features of our world as consciousness, intentionality, meaning, and value. This failure to account for something so integral to nature as mind, argues philosopher Thomas Nagel, is a major problem, threatening to unravel the entire naturalistic world picture, extending to biology, evolutionary theory, and cosmology.

Since minds are features of biological systems that have developed through evolution, the standard materialist version of evolutionary biology is fundamentally incomplete. And the cosmological history that led to the origin of life and the coming into existence of the conditions for evolution cannot be a merely materialist history, either. An adequate conception of nature would have to explain the appearance in the universe of materially irreducible conscious minds, as such.

Nagel's skepticism is not based on religious belief or on a belief in any definite alternative. In Mind and Cosmos, he does suggest that if the materialist account is wrong, then principles of a different kind may also be at work in the history of nature, principles of the growth of order that are in their logical form teleological rather than mechanistic.

In spite of the great achievements of the physical sciences, reductive materialism is a world view ripe for displacement. Nagel shows that to recognize its limits is the first step in looking for alternatives, or at least in being open to their possibility.

 

[KillaRSox]

such a shallow viewpoint. Understanding the universe and our place in it is the most important endeavor there is.


Its a good thing other people throughout history haven't thought like you. Imagine where we would be if no one cared "how things happened".

Then go become a scientist you fucking goon.

I'm getting real sick of you making your personal comments about people. When someone calls you out on things you complain and cry like the little bitch you are, and then run to the Mods complaining your feelings have been hurt.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

I'm not disputing evolution at all. I believe in evolution and I do not believe in the biblical account of creation the way it was written. Evolution and intelligent design can co-exist.
Evolution and the biblical account of creation cannot co-exist.

I disagree. Where is the evidence that evolution was guided by an intelligent force?

You can look at the human body for instance. If we are the end result of an intelligent design, why do we have a vestigial organ that can kill us (appendix)? Why are our food and air canals connected, with often fatal results? Why until the advent of modern science did so many babies and mothers die in childbirth- narrow hips being the result of an animal that walks upright combined with the necessity for a large head for increased brain capacity?

The fact that our testicles are outside of our body because our internal temperature is too high for sperm to live is a perfect example of random selection and mutations. Evolution can't "plan ahead" so you end up with numerous deficiencies.

I could go on and on. If the human body is indeed the result of a guided evolution, the being doing the guiding is an incompetent gimp.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

Here is another:

The venerable Thomas Nagel has just come out with a book entitled:
Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature Is Almost Certainly False

The modern materialist approach to life has conspicuously failed to explain such central mind-related features of our world as consciousness, intentionality, meaning, and value. This failure to account for something so integral to nature as mind, argues philosopher Thomas Nagel, is a major problem, threatening to unravel the entire naturalistic world picture, extending to biology, evolutionary theory, and cosmology.

Since minds are features of biological systems that have developed through evolution, the standard materialist version of evolutionary biology is fundamentally incomplete. And the cosmological history that led to the origin of life and the coming into existence of the conditions for evolution cannot be a merely materialist history, either. An adequate conception of nature would have to explain the appearance in the universe of materially irreducible conscious minds, as such.

Nagel's skepticism is not based on religious belief or on a belief in any definite alternative. In Mind and Cosmos, he does suggest that if the materialist account is wrong, then principles of a different kind may also be at work in the history of nature, principles of the growth of order that are in their logical form teleological rather than mechanistic.

In spite of the great achievements of the physical sciences, reductive materialism is a world view ripe for displacement. Nagel shows that to recognize its limits is the first step in looking for alternatives, or at least in being open to their possibility.

festeringZit is using a philosophy book written by an atheist to prove that Intelligent Design is science.

I've seen it all now.

 

[festeringZit]

I disagree. Where is the evidence that evolution was guided by an intelligent force?

You can look at the human body for instance. If we are the end result of an intelligent design, why do we have a vestigial organ that can kill us (appendix)? Why are our food and air canals connected, with often fatal results? Why until the advent of modern science did so many babies and mothers die in childbirth- narrow hips being the result of an animal that walks upright combined with the necessity for a large head for increased brain capacity?

The fact that our testicles are outside of our body because our internal temperature is too high for sperm to live is a perfect example of random selection and mutations. Evolution can't "plan ahead" so you end up with numerous deficiencies.

I could go on and on. If the human body is indeed the result of a guided evolution, the being doing the guiding is an incompetent gimp.

Blah blah... just like scientists argued for centuries that the universe was infinite (in size) and always existed. Then we found out that it is not infinite in size and had a definite beginning (which implies a cause/creator).

Then we had scientists in the last 20 years telling us that junk DNA was a "vestigial" left-over from evolutionary processes, and now in the last couple years they've found out that there is no such thing as junk DNA, and that the areas of DNA that were once called junk are of utmost importance.

Like Bill Gates said, our DNA is more complex than the most sophisticated software out there. Stop and think about that for a second. Now, if you were walking through the woods and you found the source code for Windows 2008 in there, would you say that it got there by "random mutations?"

Some ass-clown is going to try and tell me that the computer-like operating system found in the human DNA happened by chance and random mutations? Are you out of your mind?

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

You guys sound like a bunch of children arguing over what came first, the chicken or the egg.....

What the hell difference does it make HOW things happened? They happened and we're here now....

such a shallow viewpoint. Understanding the universe and our place in it is the most important endeavor there is.


Its a good thing other people throughout history haven't thought like you. Imagine where we would be if no one cared "how things happened".

Then go become a scientist you fucking goon.

I'm getting real sick of you making your personal comments about people. When someone calls you out on things you complain and cry like the little bitch you are, and then run to the Mods complaining your feelings have been hurt.

 

[festeringZit]

festeringZit is using a philosophy book written by an atheist to prove that Intelligent Design is science.

I've seen it all now.

There is no question that intelligent design is science, for you to argue otherwise shows you are extremely ignorant and out of touch.