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Cars and vans become homes amid foreclosure crisis and shaky economy

LOS ANGELES - Having lost her job and her three-bedroom house, Darlene Knoll has joined the legions of downwardly mobile who are four wheels away from homelessness.

She is living out of her shabby 1978 RV, and every night she has to look for a place to park where she won't get hassled by the cops or insulted by residents.

"I'm not a piece of trash," the former home health-care aide said as she stroked one of five dogs in her cramped quarters parked in the waterfront community of Marina del Rey.

Amid the foreclosure crisis and the shaky economy, some California cities are seeing an increase in the number of people living out of their cars, vans or RVs.

Overnight parking restrictions

Acting on complaints from homeowners, the Los Angeles City Council got tough earlier this year by forbidding nearly all overnight parking in residential neighborhoods such as South Brentwood.

But some people are just crowding into other parts of the city, including the seaside community of Venice, where dozens of rusty, dilapidated campers can be seen lined up outside neat single-family homes. The stench of urine emanates from a few of the vehicles, and some residents say they have seen human waste left behind.

"They're nasty and gnarly," said Venice resident Jeff Scharlin. "We've heard about drug dealing and prostitution in them. I've never seen it, but visually they're a blight and they take up parking space."

In Los Angeles, as in many other cities, it is illegal to live in vehicles on public streets. But the law is not easy to enforce. Police have to enter a vehicle to find signs that people are living there, such as cooking or sleeping, and occupants often refuse to answer when cops knock.

An easier way is to restrict overnight parking. In L.A., a first offense carries a $50 fine, and subsequent violations can cost as much as $100.

Parking-enforcement officers often give vehicle owners a warning and tell them to move on before issuing a ticket, and that usually solves the problem, said Alan Willis, a city transportation engineer. But other cities in the area are not as lenient.

"I had my motor home towed in Culver City. It cost me $500 to get it out," said Desiri Hawkins, who lives in a small RV in Venice. "I got ticketed in Santa Monica and had to go to court."

Magnets for homeless

Tourist states with temperate climates, such as California and Florida, have long been magnets for the homeless. Los Angeles is the nation's homelessness capital, with an estimated 73,000 people on the streets. A survey of 3,230 homeless people last year in Los Angeles County found nearly 7 percent living in vehicles, according to the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority.

"It's trending toward an increase," said Michael Stoop, acting executive director of the National Coalition for the Homeless. "People would rather live in a vehicle than wind up in a shelter, and you can't stay on a friend's couch forever."

People living out of their cars or campers tend to be more well-off than the homeless on the street. They usually have jobs or disability checks that enable them to maintain an old camper but do not allow them to afford rent.

"For more working-class and lower-middle-class people, the car is the first stop of being homeless, and sometimes it turns out to be a long stop," said Gary Blasi, a University of California, Los Angeles, law professor and activist on homeless issues.

Some Venice residents are clamoring for overnight parking restrictions. But parking limits in oceanfront neighborhoods are problematic because the California Coastal Commission requires communities to accommodate surfers, fishermen and other early-morning beachgoers.

"The complaints are getting louder and louder," said Los Angeles City Councilman Bill Rosendahl.

Other cities make accommodations

For years, some cities such as Santa Barbara, Calif., and Eugene, Ore., have accommodated people who live out of their vehicles. Activists in Venice are looking at some of those ideas. Santa Barbara, for example, allows vehicles to stay from 7 p.m. to 7 a.m. in church and city parking lots.

Knoll said she can barely afford to drive around with the rising price of gasoline eating away at the $950 monthly disability check she receives because of mental illness.

She said she is also sick of police waking her up in the wee hours by pounding on her vehicle with their nightsticks, and she is tired of fighting with residents who call her "lowlife scum" and hurl other insults.

"We need somewhere we can have a safe haven, where we won't be harassed," Knoll said as the wind from a passing car rocked her RV. "I never thought I'd be living like this, but I'm stuck. This is it for me."

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government needs to get involved and get these people back in their houses instead of neighborhoods with empty houses. my neighborhood i live in alone where the average house is 250-300k has a foreclosed house. people say these people deserve to live in their cars and be clowns to society because they made a mistake. i say part of being human is making mistakes and mistakes should be forgiven otherwise you are inhuman.
 
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Bush bought a 97,000 acre ranch in Paraguay ...

least he can do is open that up as a camping ground for American
willing to relocate
 

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Emotion over logic...it never ends with the left.

What a complete Bull shit article.
 

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government needs to get involved and get these people back in their houses instead of neighborhoods with empty houses. my neighborhood i live in alone where the average house is 250-300k has a foreclosed house. people say these people deserve to live in their cars and be clowns to society because they made a mistake. i say part of being human is making mistakes and mistakes should be forgiven otherwise you are inhuman.

Nice guilt trip, Hugo, but you're wrong -- dead wrong.

Compassion is useful for child rearing and not much else.

Compassion doesn't build rocket ships, new discoveries in science, automobiles, cures for diseases and certainly -- CERTAINLY -- doesn't build all that wealth and prosperity you commies believe you have the moral authority to steal from the productive and redistribute to the idle and foolhardy.

Compassion should not factor into economic policy(s) -- PERIOD. That is how we ended with the financial tsunami upon us known as "runaway entitlement spending."

You're being intellectually dishonest, emoting compassion without discussing the LONGTERM ramifications of socialism which btw are very well documented in case you need a quick review. :103631605

Compassion on the micro: good and noble. Compassion ("wanting to do good") on the macro: pretty much the source of all war, conflict, famine and human misery from utopian Nazism to utopian Communism and everything else in between.

The framers of our great republic were smarter than all the leftists currently in this country -- COMBINED.
 

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Bum living on the streets. Guy starts with nothing. Guy buys a house with nothing. Guy refinances house for 125% value. Guy gets some bonus money. Guy buys a nice ride and some rims. Guy can't pay for house but continues living there 6 more months until forced out.
Guy walks away with the value of living rent free for 6 months. Guy has a nice ride to crash in instead the park bench like old times.

Now guy cries that they took away the house he never could afford and never put a dime into.
 

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i have no doubt that you guys ridicule these homeless people you see on the streets because they've been human and made a mistake. in the society we live in now these people are side shows, clowns that need to be hidden to show how great the country is. guys like mj and joe c will walk by on there merry way past these people because it's not them that are in that position so they could care less. some country eh? like i said no compassion for anybody but themselves. me me me me me me me me.


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GTC:

Remember the comments by that bitch named Barbara Bush?


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Nobody ridiculed anyone gtc...its all in your delusional mind.

There is no better place on earth for the truly needy to get help...than right here in the US.

Nobody goes without....unless they want to.

Take your bleeding heart to Europe...its not needed or wanted here.

We take care of our own.
 

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Delusional is right.

In many ways gtc is cleverly using a strawman because as he rightly points out, no real 'human' could walk past a fellow human in need without helping them -- i.e. providing them with blankets, food, spiritual guidance etc. That's what churches and charities do and they do it very well -- oh, wait a sec, I forgot.. the loony left wants to purge all religion and believe they play no role -- ZERO -- in the social welfare of our society! (On the other hand, BrokeBack Mountain and teaching our kids how to putt condoms on bananas in our schools is just peachy!) :ohno:

Anyhoo, in semi-socialist Europe, communities no longer look after one another. The state, the state, the state does EVERYTHING -- at a damn high cost to the taxpayer.

This is what I mean by 'compassion' on the micro vs the macro. On the micro, compassion is great and I'm all for it. But on the macro, 'compassion' essentially means low economic growth, high unemployment, prohibitively high taxes, loss of liberty (weren't liberals originally pro-liberty? :think2:) and in extreme cases, immoral and brutal use of force in order to make certain there aren't in any cracks in this loverly utopia.

The welfare state is pretty much going broke everywhere it's being implemented and the social conditions in those countries aren't much better than they are here -- certainly nothing worth overhauling 90% of your economy for.

What exactly is your point, gtc?

Sweet Jesus Mother of Mary -- when the hell are we going abolish public education in this country? We are rotting the braincells of our youth with this Marxist garbage! :ohno:
 

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Nobody ridiculed anyone gtc...its all in your delusional mind.

There is no better place on earth for the truly needy to get help...than right here in the US.

Nobody goes without....unless they want to.

Take your bleeding heart to Europe...its not needed or wanted here.

We take care of our own.

so you're basically saying if i get laid off, can't afford to pay my bills and lose my house it's my fault. I try to find a job but that's not easy like you say it is, and I can't while my situation continues to worsen daily which is happening all across the country currently. so using that scenario with your logic i'm essentially useless because the big corporations that you back over the average american have deemed me useless;and that i should basically hide from public in shame so you don't have to see me because I can't afford any clothes or basic utilities that I need daily. so I can try all I want, and because of my poor situation the jobs avoid my type because they think i'd be an unwanted hassle and I end up back at square one.

how exactly am I supposed to get back on my feet if nobody gives me a helping hand?

the problem with you mj is you walk away instead of offering your hand. thats my general problem with the american public.


and Joe C, the point i'm making is the government needs to offer their hand to these people instead of labeling them as side shows and clowns like you read in that article.
 

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so you're basically saying if i get laid off, can't afford to pay my bills and lose my house it's my fault. I try to find a job but that's not easy like you say it is, and I can't while my situation continues to worsen daily which is happening all across the country currently. so using that scenario with your logic i'm essentially useless because the big corporations that you back over the average american have deemed me useless;and that i should basically hide from public in shame so you don't have to see me because I can't afford any clothes or basic utilities that I need daily. so I can try all I want, and because of my poor situation the jobs avoid my type because they think i'd be an unwanted hassle and I end up back at square one.

how exactly am I supposed to get back on my feet if nobody gives me a helping hand?

the problem with you mj is you walk away instead of offering your hand. thats my general problem with the american public.

I didn't say or do any of that stuff. You just made it up.

This doesn't help your argument at all...quit sniveling and wringing your hands and address the facts.

Just once.
 

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the problem with you mj is you walk away instead of offering your hand. thats my general problem with the american public.

Do you really think society collectively becomes more aware and 'compassionate' toward the less fortunate if enough lemmings like you decide the state can manage and fix every social ill (as if that absurd egotistical notion has ever worked at anytime in human history)?

You know what, gtc? I think YOU are the one who's being selfish -- not MR MJ. YOU want the government to take care of the bum on the street -- so you can ease your own guilt, party till you're drunk or stoned (courtesy of the state once again) and pretty much not see these emotionally-charged images splashed on your far left politically-charged blogs. You folks on the left are so narcissistic you don't even realize it! You just want to make YOURSELF FEEL GOOD about something -- at the expense of someone else's daily bread. How do YOU know what that person lying on the street REALLY needs? Do you know his personal story? Do you know how he got there?

Have you ever looked at the overhead costs of these so-called "compassionate" programs? Please tell me one thing government EVER does well?

"Government is NOT the solution to our problems, government IS the problem!"
-- Ronald Reagan

(So is Bush's "compassionate conservatism"!)

COMPASSION STINKS! :puke1:
 
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GTC ....

taking advice from Miss Joanna is like taking advice from Bush on how to
remain sober

Ya hit it on the head the 1st time partner

FYI: Miss Joana thinks Coulter is a great "humanitarian" ... ENOUGH SAID?


I love it .... MISS JOANNA WAS / IS A PAID POSTER!!

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so you're basically saying if i get laid off, can't afford to pay my bills and lose my house it's my fault. I try to find a job but that's not easy like you say it is, and I can't while my situation continues to worsen daily which is happening all across the country currently. so using that scenario with your logic i'm essentially useless because the big corporations that you back over the average american have deemed me useless;and that i should basically hide from public in shame so you don't have to see me because I can't afford any clothes or basic utilities that I need daily. so I can try all I want, and because of my poor situation the jobs avoid my type because they think i'd be an unwanted hassle and I end up back at square one.

how exactly am I supposed to get back on my feet if nobody gives me a helping hand?

the problem with you mj is you walk away instead of offering your hand. thats my general problem with the american public.


and Joe C, the point i'm making is the government needs to offer their hand to these people instead of labeling them as side shows and clowns like you read in that article.
First bolded point: The overwhelming majority of foreclosures have nothing to do with what you said. Do some research. This isn't the case of people getting laid off and losing their homes--it's cases of people buying something they couldn't afford and then when prices went un-sustainably high they refinanced so they could spend their fake money on frivolous items. I have no--NO--sympathy for these people and anyone who does is a fucking moron--I hate to generalize like that, but it's true. It's the same as if somebody got a loan for 200k and invested it in the stock market and when they lost it all they asked the government to help them out--wtf? Also, if these people had any money savvy/right to own a home, they'll be just fine renting until they can save enough money to do it the right way. Most foreclosed people don't end up homeless--very, very, VERY few do.

Second bolded point: With hard work like the rest of even semi-successful America, you fucking douche.
 

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The Bush Boom continues with a strong economy and low unemployment...
 

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tent cities biatches

anybody know of any tent manufacturers i can long? the new housing bubble

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holy shit a "Joe C" sighting welcome back dawg :toast:

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The Bush Boom continues with a strong economy and low unemployment...

Couple what youve listed with lower than average inflation and another year of expanding gdp and the current US economy is the most prosperous ever known to mankind.

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ROFLMFAO....If this is a Bush Boom right now, I'd hate to see what a Bush Recession looks like.

Do people really believe this bullshit government data? They say inflation is running at 2.7%....hahaha

Should get even more interesting when massive waves of these baby boomers start retiring and want to collect on their social security and medicare benefits.

Couple what youve listed with lower than average inflation and another year of expanding gdp and the current US economy is the most prosperous ever known to mankind.

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JJ, I see you arent new at rx, but you are new to poli forum.

Here are the rules:

1. The Bush Boom is real...yes, we really are living in an ongoing period of unprecedented prosperity.

2. We believe everything we hear on cnbc and msm about how great the economy is doing.

3. When all else fails, we plug our noses, close our eyes, and trust whatever spin MR_MJ posts and trust it as 100% fact.

Try it sometime, for it really is fun living and believe la-la land exists.

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Should get even more interesting when massive waves of these baby boomers start retiring and want to collect on their social security and medicare benefits.

Yes...yes it should. But that's not Bush's fault (or Clinton's fault). You can thank the "progressives" from the 60s and 70s (FDR and LBJ's "Great Society" -- the last time the loony left had true unlimited power) for the entitlement train wreck thundering down the tracks straight toward us.

So much for the concept of Federalism. Who the hell woke one day and decided the Federal Government should usurp the authority of the federal states and control health care, our retirement, education and so on and so on and so on and so on?? :think2:
 

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