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Wall Street feels no shame
I'm not so sure Iowa's Sen. Charles Grassley ought to have backtracked after saying AIG executives should disembowel themselves.
Amid the frenzy of politicians scurrying to get on the right side of the current outrage over $165 million in bonuses being paid to the financial whiz kids who helped bring insurance giant AIG -- and the U.S. economy -- to its knees, Grassley's comment was as sensible as any. He noted that, in Japanese tradition, a samurai -- or, more recently, a business exec' -- who brought shame on himself would commit seppuku, a ritual in which the mortified individual plunges a very sharp blade into his gut and slices away. The senator suggested the highly-compensated AIG employees should return their bonuses or submit to the knife. Of course, there is one flaw in Grassley's idea: it assumes that any of these guys have the capacity for feeling shame.
I seriously doubt that is the case. I suspect that, right now, rather than shame, the AIG employees are feeling persecuted by New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo who wants to publicize their names. Holed up in their Long Island mansions, they are probably wallowing in self pity as they watch the news from Congress where bills are being written that would tax away their bonus money. Any shame genes were drummed out of these folks years ago in business schools where teaching ethics has gone the way of teaching Latin. Shame did not enter into the equation either as these financial hot shots concocted the credit default swaps built on bad mortgages that made them rich while setting their country up for a steep fall.
The workings of credit default swaps, derivatives and other exotic financial instruments are so convoluted and hard to understand -- even for the brainiest people on Wall Street -- that I won't even try to explain them. Suffice it to say that one of the rare honest souls in the world of investment, Warren Buffett, years ago called them "financial weapons of mass destruction." The guys who made money off of these FWMD's, like the AIG team, are akin to the medieval charlatans who claimed they could magically turn lead into gold. The only way to really make lead into gold, of course, is to apply gold paint to the lead and sell it to someone foolish enough to pay you for it. That's essentially what the AIG bonus boys did; they bundled a pile of bad mortgages, made it look pretty and sold it as something that had value. The difference between what they and all their compatriots in the derivatives business did and what Bernie Madoff did with his Ponzi scheme is only a matter of slim legalities.
And so, it is right for us all to be angry with them. I am not quite convinced, however, that it is right that politicians in Washington should be indulging themselves in such righteous indignation. A lot of them allowed -- even encouraged -- the lax regulation that let the gambling spirit prevail in our financial markets and in the mortgage lending business. As they scramble to get in front of microphones and TV cameras to express their outrage, maybe they, too, should be feeling just a wee bit of shame for doing nothing while the pirates of Wall Street carried off their plunder and set fire to American dreams.
 

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Cute article...probably written by a Liberal. And in typical Liberal fashion, we couldn't possibly direct our anger at the real culprit of this problem. But just for fun, let's recap what happened in this situation. We have a group of people (let's call them Congress) who approved a bailout of $170 billion dollars of taxpayers' money to AIG and put virtually no stipulations on how that money would be used. In addition, one congressman (let's call him Christopher Dodd) even put a stipulation in on the deal allowing AIG to pay bonuses (and he claimed on CNN that the Obama Administration asked him to put the bonus language in). Then we have a whole sideshow on how "the buck stops with Obama" (even though his administration OKed the deal) and then this whole day with Congress putting on a show on this moral dilemma (again, even though they OKed it), and then a move that completely violates contract law (attempting to single out and tax a selective group). Probably a bad idea since in the end....you were the one responsible for this whole incident. The contracts ended up being for retention bonuses, which is a common practice for many jobs (my wife worked at WalMart's corporate office last year and was given one...but oh, she's a wicked lady). The sad part of this whole thing is there was all this hoopla for $165 million dollars. My question to you is.....where was all the hoopla and outrage when they were given $170 billion?! Anyone that can do basic math could probably figure out the percentage, but just to put it in perspective...it's the equivalent of giving someone $1,000 and then jumping up and down, stomping your feet, and screaming because they spent $1 in a way you didn't approve of....yep, that's our Congress.

It's kinda hilarious you'd even bring this up because it makes Democrats look pretty damn foolish.
 

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And the republicans. It was Bushes bailout. Led by his secretary of the treasury.
 

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Point is how well business does when govt controls are not enforced.

I dont hate business but they have proven too many times that what is good for the country and even what is good for themselves in the long run will be buried by opportunity and greed in the short run.
 

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And the republicans. It was Bushes bailout. Led by his secretary of the treasury.

It may have been, but Congress was the one who signed off on it, put in a stipulation for bonuses, and then tried to violate contract law. Maybe Congress should read what they are signing, not be in such a rush to put things out without any stipulations on taxpayers' money, and certainly not put in a clause that you know will cause a moral dilemma. And don't forget....Pelosi locked out all Republicans in Congress on the vote. Just plain dumb. And also, if you haven't noticed, the bailouts have continued. I have been dead set against every one from both adminstrations...FWIW.
 

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I'm not happy about but not total opposed to the bailouts. We must have stability or the whole thing could come unglued.

Very unhappy about the chain of events that led to the bailouts to me it is just a total reproduction of the events leading up to the great depression the event that brought about all these regulations that the republicans felt were outdated and could be ignored.
 

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Point is how well business does when govt controls are not enforced.

I dont hate business but they have proven too many times that what is good for the country and even what is good for themselves in the long run will be buried by opportunity and greed in the short run.


Which is why I don't have a problem with some limited control. I don't have a problem with laws against monopolies for example (I'm all about making sure things stay competitive). Without a doubt, the most moronic move ever made was the repeal of Glass Stegal. I believe it caused this entire recession. As my brother puts it..."when you give a fox the keys to the hen house, this is what happens". And then unfortunately, we have Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd, and Acorn getting into a "class warfare" battle against stricter regulation of Freddie and Fannie (the one thing I will commend the Bush Administration on). Christopher Dodd has since apologized for it, but that prick Frank still won't take any responsibility. I'm not a huge fan of Bill O'Reily but he kicked Frank's ass on that one (just wished I could have reached through my television set and bitchslapped Frank too).
 

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I'm not happy about but not total opposed to the bailouts. We must have stability or the whole thing could come unglued.

Very unhappy about the chain of events that led to the bailouts to me it is just a total reproduction of the events leading up to the great depression the event that brought about all these regulations that the republicans felt were outdated and could be ignored.

Screw the bailouts! We are already heading for the exact same unemployment people claimed we would get if we didn't bailout these "too big to fail" corporations. Not one of them should have been done. Had that been the case, we wouldn't be facing the deficits we have now (and future hyper inflation), and we would have dealt with the pain and been already on the road to recovery. All this administration is doing right now is prolonging the inevitable. We have already exceeded 14 million people unemployed and it will get worse (mark my words...we will hit 20). They are playing a stupid game in trying to manipulate the stock market. Institutional investors know this and won't even invest. The volume continues to be minuscule and won't come up until there is truly some transparency (something this administration promised but hasn't delivered on).
 

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The mess on wall street is because of both party's. They have both had their hands out two fisted over the years and turned their eyes the other way as long as they all got theirs...

The market is manipulated by politicians so much it is not funny...

No one cared until the shit hit the fan and now they all care but I bet they all still take money from wall street...

The money ceo's and upper management make is obscene compared to what the average working person makes and is disjointed compared to the other industrialized countries of the world and what their ceo's make...

The fact they think they are above everybody and take ridiculous amounts of money...

The problem is short term thinking that has taken hold on wall street all they care about is pumping their stock up to sell and make a killing....

It was not like that in the past, that is why they are where they are now...
 

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And the republicans. It was Bushes bailout. Led by his secretary of the treasury.

the clause that allowed for bonuses was part of the Obama stimulus bill that had to be passed immediately without debate to stop the economy from collapsing, remember that bullshit?

it was placed into the bill by Democratic Senator Chris Dodd at the request of Obama's boy Tim Geithner.

The GOP wasn't even given time to read the bill when they were forced to vote on it. Obama then waited 4 days to sign it.

After the bonuses were paid and gained media attention, the Democrats who wrote the bill, refused to debate the bill, allowed the bonus clause and passed the bill were outraged that the bonuses were paid.

one big fucking laughing stock of a cluster fuck, and George W Bush had NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT FUCKING BILL. Get in the game already


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