More bad news for anti American liberals>>

[PatPatriot]

November 28, 2003 - 10:30PM

The protest occurred in al-Firdos Square, where a large bronze statue of Saddam was toppled by Iraqis and US Marines after the fall of Baghdad in the US-led invasion.

"Yes to Iraq," protesters shouted. "No to terrorism."

Three empty coffins wrapped with Iraqi flags were brought to the rally to commemorate civilian victims of attacks carried out by Iraqi insurgents fighting American troops.

The demonstration was organised by a handful of Iraqi political parties, none of which are members of the US-appointed governing council.

Protesters held banners that read: "Killing the innocent is terrorism that we must condemn" and "Cooperating with the criminal Saddam is a crime against humanity".

One of the demonstrators was Ali Sahib, who lost his 9-year-old daughter in a suicide bombing a week ago that targeted a police station in Khan Bani Saad, a town on the northeastern outskirts of Baghdad. Ten people died in that explosion.

"We demand that all criminals, whether they are Saddam loyalists or al-Qaeda members, be chased and tried for their crimes against the Iraqi people. We demand peace," Sahid said. He held a picture of his slain daughter. advertisement

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"We are here to protest the political terrorism that does not spare civilians," said Fahim al-Yassiri, a 45-year-old teacher.

The demonstration occurred one day after US President George W Bush made a brief, surprise visit to US troops at Baghdad's international airport.

 

[Phaedrus]

Ah yes, al-Firdos, who could forget that glorious media stage job?

How is it "bad news for anti-Americans" that decent Iraqi people are opposed to terrorism? I thought all decent people were, and I would think that even anti-Americans would labour under such an assumption. Decent people=opposed to senseless acts of murder and terror. Seems to make sense regardless of where you are on the political spectrum.

As far as "liberals" go (ugh, how I hate the way that term has been hijacked!) I can't see how this is bad news for them either -- I don't recall having seen too many lefties from D.C. to Headline News to assorted Internet fora raving on about how all Muslims are murderous, godless, child-molesting terrorists in waiting, true patriots split the difference and aim for the towel, that sort of thing. That sort of bigotry has come pretty much exclusively from ignorant savages who pretend to be conservatives.

Good story though, glad to hear that Iraqis don't like having their children murdered -- one more issue for me to tick off of my "Great Questions of Life" list. And the al-Firdos reference really took me back, thanks.


Phaedrus

 

[Skyweasel]

If you keep pointing out to boobuses like P. that most of what he believes is just stage-managed b.s. being spoonfed to him, well... we might just have to invoke the Patriot Act and have you arrested for 'sedition'... or sumthin'.

Your friend,
-J. Ashcroft, Esq.

 

[American]

Those pictures don't prove that it was the same sand-scum in both photos. Don't believe EVERYTHING you read on the internet.

 

[Phaedrus]

LMAO@Skyweasel

American

"Sand-scum?" How charming. (Why do they hate us, oh why?)

I do not believe everything I read on the Internet. I am not particularly concerned with the bottom half of the linked graphic; in the future I will try to remember to PhotoShop out the irrelevant stuff before uploading.

Phaedrus

 

[Jointpleasure]

I think he's referring to al quida and the Saddam loyalists. you wouldn't have a problem with that, would you?

 

[American]

I've got a problem with anyone who hates Americans. If someone hates my people, then I guess I'm just a natural-born enemy of theirs.

 

[American]

Phaedrus...I know you don't believe everything you read on the internet. I do think you have a strong tendancy to only believe what fits into your own personal belief system that you've developed. All else is dismissed as poppycock. (Did I just use the word "poppycock"?)

 

[Phaedrus]

Joint

You've got a point there. I personally have used "camel fvckers" in that context rather a lot. Sorry for the bit of hypocrisy, American.

posted by American:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Phaedrus...I know you don't believe everything you read on the internet. I do think you have a strong tendancy to only believe what fits into your own personal belief system that you've developed. All else is dismissed as poppycock. (Did I just use the word "poppycock"?)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No; in fact I am quite open to alternate views, even those which directly contradict my own. Some exceptions to this occur, such as those who embrace notions which have been shattered repeatedly by facts ("Socialism works," "There's nothing the government can't fix," etc.) but for the most part I'll hear out any new idea and give it some thought.


Phaedrus

 

[American]

That's cool

One problem with the internet information highway is that it's littered with bullshit, and with so many sources with agendas cloaked in facts out of context and lies by ommision, as well as false information, I think it's very challenging at times to know when your getting reliable information.


The mainstream news sources also have agendas and political orientations that are quietly force-fed to the public as well. The manipulation will never end.

Camel fvckers?

 

[PatPatriot]

[/Sand-scum?" How charming. (Why do they hate us, oh why?)

QUOTE]
The reason those raghead flintstone fux hate us is because of the their perverted religion and mullahs and preaching it so they can keep their thumb on them....any religion or culture that keeps half their population (woman) sub servant and uneducated deserves themselves..They really hate themselves and are jealous of the west.I mean what meaningfull invention or idea have they come up with in the last thousand years besides the suicide belt?

 

[Phaedrus]

Try a Google search for '"Abbasid Caliphate" AND "inventions"' (here. )You might also find this particular site interesting.

Granted, it's very nearly a thousand years ago, but while Europeans were digging lice out of each other's ass cracks and wondering what those big ancient arc-shaped things down by the river were, the Arab world was enjoying a period of enlightenment that rivaled the ancient Romans.

There's very little evidence that Christianity is any less perverted or oppressive than Islam, when it is being handed down by dictators masquerading as religious leaders (see also Spanish Inquisition, Salem, Jerry Falwell, et al.)

I do agree that much of the resentment of the West in Arab cultures is based in envy; this is a common and unfortunate condition in human history. But decades of U.S. interventionist policy -- including instilling one of the most hated leaders in Middle Eastern history, the Shah of Iran, and indirectly empowering Saddam Hussein himself, hardly could have helped.


Phaedrus

 

[PatPatriot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> There's very little evidence that Christianity is any less perverted or oppressive than Islam, when it is being handed down by dictators masquerading as religious leaders (see also Spanish Inquisition, Salem, Jerry Falwell, et al.)

I do agree that much of the resentment of the West in Arab cultures is based in envy; this is a common and unfortunate condition in human history. But decades of U.S. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Phad, give me a break...When did you start to see the deevolution of the mid eastern culture???...(Can you say Allah?)
Christianity has certainley had its bumps, but I haven't seen Jerry Falwel chop any womans head off in public for doing the fox trot.
Islam is a peverted rligion that should be banned in this country...Until this and any other free country treats this religion for what it is,instead of looking at it with rose colored glasses....When the last time you heard a prominate muslim leader emphatically denounce terrorism and urge its followers to do the same?...Islam in the west is just another liberal lie that has intimitated the pacifist...it is what it is a murdering barbaric backward religion, that promotes same.

 

[American]

Sing that one in the church on Sunday!

 

[PatPatriot]

. The Crusades.

I know it is hard to believe, but at one point in history, the countries of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Turkey and Iraq had large populations of Christians. These countries were peacefully converted to Christianity by word of mouth.

They were conquered by Muslim armies (along with all of North Africa and Spain) and forcibly converted to Islam by the sword (conversion or death). There were even Muslim raiding parties penetrating deep into France. The spread of Islam was an invasion.

What were the people of Europe to do? Wait to be fully conquered? The Crusades were a reaction to an invasion and defensive in nature. Yes, there were horrific events perpetrated by both sides but the cause and effect need to be put into perspective. It would be like trying to understand the American-Japanese conflict in WWII by only reading about the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

2. The Nazis.

The Nazis never were Christians. They sometimes used the cover of Christianity and other religions in their propaganda but they developed their own Pagan rituals for weddings, births and other important ceremonies. They also exterminated thousands of priests and millions of Christians in concentration camps.

The Nazis used any religion to further their power. For example, the Nazis raised two Muslim Waffen SS Division during the war. These were the only true "religious" SS Division the Nazis ever created (and it is safe to say that the Germany was not a Muslim nation). Himmler was fascinated by the thought of Muslims to be fearless soldiers willing to kill for their religion. One of these Muslim Waffen SS divisions (The Hanjer Division) was responsible for the murder of over 90 percent of the Yugoslavian Jewish population.

3. The Inquisition and the Separation of Church and State.

It is a nice sounding theory that when you separate the Christian Church from the state, you get stability, but it does not pass the common sense test.

For instance, I know it is the first words out of any atheist mouth when you try to talk with them about Jesus, “Explain the Inquisition," and “Look how evil the church was!" and "Look what they did in the name of Jesus!"

It is true that about 500 years ago, Christian fanatics killed about 10,000 people over a 100 year time period (about 100/year) in the name of the Roman Catholic church. It is a shame on the record of an organization that claims to be promoting the ministry of Christ. Now compare this record to the example of the countries that have officially done away with religion. To the countries that have outright banned religion and imprisoned those who try to practice it (the ultimate test of the theory of separation of church and state).

Yes, I am talking about Communist countries. In the Communist Manifesto, Engel and Marx declared, "Communism abolishes all religion." In my father's lifetime, the numbers of people that officially atheist countries have murdered in the name of no-religion is staggering; the USSR slaughtered 20 million, China slaughtered 10 million, Communist Cambodia slaughtered 2 million, Communist North Korea has/continues to murder untold numbers, Communist Cuba has/continues to murder untold numbers, the list goes on.

The grand total is over 50 million dead in the last 80-year time span (over 600,000/year). Even comparing the worst time of "Christian Persecution" to an average time of a just one country that has officially and forcefully separated church and state, the conclusion is obvious: Christianity has a huge calming influence on government.

4. Missionaries and Native Americans.

Before Indians were running casinos and selling cigarettes tax-free in North America, they were a stone-age people before the "pale face" came. They had not learned to domesticate animals, they had no written language, they used only stone tools and they had not even yet invented the wheel.

They had never seen a horse, a metal knife, a cart or a plow.

They also commonly practiced slavery, genocide and cannibalism against other tribes. No matter how many times you watch "Dances with Wolves" and "Pocahontas," it will not change these facts. The vast majority of Missionaries wanted to spread the gospel of Christ and raise these new converts out of their stone-age way of life. What should they have done? Ignore them?



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[Phaedrus]

Patriot

I wasn't really trying to say Islam is better than Christianity, or any less worse. All religions are lies at best and monstrous hoaxes at worst, and as such all are subject to be manipulated by leaders professing to act in the name of their respective deity.

You said, essentially, "what have Arabic nations done in the last thousand years?" I pointed out the Abbasid Caliphate, the so-called "Golden Age of Islam." Incidentally, during that time period, non-Muslims were not only tolerated but very much protected from persecution.

The "de-evolution of Midlle Eastern culture" occured after the Christian Europeans and the Mongols destroyed the Caliphate in the 13th century.

You sound like you get your information about Islam from sources I imagine are very similar to those available on Christianity under Khomeini.


Phaedrus

 

[radiofreecostarica]

American is correct...better to believe hearsay like ´there´s a connection between Saddam and Osama that anything posted on that thar new fangled internet...

 

[radiofreecostarica]

Let´s not forget that Hitler was a Christian.

 

[jimbutorac]

"More bad news for anti-American liberals"...

As a liberal living in America, thanks to Patriot for pointing out that so many of us such as John Kerrey, Max Cleland, Wesley Clark and other American war veterans were anti-American. I didn't know that until just now.

I guess we ought to sic the "patriot act" on all their asses.

I am curious if you would consider such conservatives like Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, George Bush and Dan Quayle, who all avoided Viet Nam and Bush campaign contributors such as Kenny Lay whose tenure at Enron consisted of ripping off old people of their pensions while he lined his own pockets - are they pro-American?

Spin it anyway you want to...

 

[PatPatriot]

Look Phaed, we can go back and forth with my dog is better than your dog forever...the bottom line is anybody who thinks that you have to dignify the incinaration of 3000 innocent people by the ideals of a perverted barbaric oppressive religion by asking"why do they hate us" needs to seek help for self esteem issues...People like you will start getting it when the next attack on this neck of the woods is about 10 times worse....these third world shit eaters and the area they come from should be turned into glass.