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Schmucks like DuhFinch and vitterd will never admit to this disaster...just repeat the company tag lines..

The Decline of ObamaCare

Fewer enrolles and rising loss ratios will force a rewrite in 2017.

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Oct. 25, 2015 5:04 p.m. ET 10 COMMENTS

ObamaCare’s image of invincibility is increasingly being exposed as a political illusion, at least for those with permission to be honest about the evidence. Witness the heretofore unknown phenomenon of a “free” entitlement that its beneficiaries can’t afford or don’t want.
This month the Health and Human Services Department dramatically discounted its internal estimate of how many people will join the state insurance exchanges in 2016. There are about 9.1 million enrollees today, and the consensus estimate—by the Congressional Budget Office, the Medicare actuary and independent analysts like Rand Corp.—was that participation would surge to some 20 million. But HHS now expects enrollment to grow to between merely 9.4 million and 11.4 million.
Recruitment for 2015 is roughly 70% of the original projection, but ObamaCare will be running at less than half its goal in 2016. HHS believes some 19 million Americans earn too much for Medicaid but qualify for ObamaCare subsidies and haven’t signed up. Some 8.5 million of that 19 million purchase off-exchange private coverage with their own money, while the other 10.5 million are still uninsured. In other words, for every person who’s allowed to join and has, two people haven’t.
Among this population of the uninsured, HHS reports that half are between the ages of 18 and 34 and nearly two-thirds are in excellent or very good health. The exchanges won’t survive actuarially unless they attract this prime demographic: ObamaCare’s individual mandate penalty and social-justice redistribution are supposed to force these low-cost consumers to buy overpriced policies to cross-subsidize everybody else. No wonder HHS Secretary Sylvia Mathews Burwell said meeting even the downgraded target is “probably pretty challenging.”
The HHS survey shows three of four ObamaCare-eligible uninsured people think having coverage is important—but four of five say they couldn’t fit their share of the premiums into their budgets even after the subsidies. They’re not poor; they tend to have jobs in industries like construction, retail and hospitality but feel insecure financially; and they prioritize items like paying down debt, car repairs or saving to buy a home over insurance.
The law’s failure to appeal to the young and rising middle class is already cascading through the insurance markets. Researchers at the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and Urban Institute recently published a remarkable study of the industry barometer called medical loss ratios, or MLRs, and the pressure is building fast.
MLRs measure the share of premium revenue that flows to reimbursing medical claims. ObamaCare sets an MLR floor of 80% for patient care, with one-fifth left over for overhead like administration and profits, and the pre-ObamaCare 2010-13 historical trend for the individual market ranged from 79% to 86%.
The researchers found that in 2014—the first full year of claims experience in ObamaCare—average MLRs across all health plans sold on 16 state exchanges roamed from 90% to 99%. Average MLRs in 11 states climbed to 100% or more, reaching as high as 121% in Massachusetts. A business can’t stay solvent for long spending $1.21 for every $1 that comes in.
The 2014 MLRs are used to set rates for 2016 premiums, which are still under regulatory review. But the researchers estimate that to rebound to an MLR of 85%, premiums in the 11 money-losing states need to rise by 10% to 36% in the best estimate and 23% to 52% in the worst scenario. The familiar danger is that as rates rise, more people drop out, and thus rates must rise still higher, as the states that attempted ObamaCare-like regulatory schemes in the 1980s and 1990s discovered.
ObamaCare liberals pose as what-works-and-what-doesn’t technocrats. So perhaps they’d care to explain what it says about their creation that so many rational adults are willing to pay a fine of $695 or 2.5% of their earnings, whichever is higher, for the privilege of not buying an ObamaCare-compliant health plan.
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ObamaCare will almost inevitably be reopened in 2017, whoever wins the election. The good news is the emerging consensus among Republican candidates about a credible, pragmatic and optimistic alternative. Jeb Bush was the latest to release a plan two weeks ago—and this is a debate that has always deserved to be litigated at the presidential level to create a mandate for reform.
The basic approach is to deregulate insurance and medical practice while replacing ObamaCare’s complex subsidy schedule with a refundable tax credit for individuals who lack job-based coverage. Unchained from benefit and redistribution mandates, insurance products and prices would come to reflect what consumers want. The credit would be sufficient to buy at least coverage for catastrophic expenses if people get sick, and the trade-offs of such skinnier plans might look better to voters priced out of ObamaCare.
GOP reformers also recognize that the Cadillac tax on high-cost employer-sponsored health plans is a heat shield that might let them solve some of the problems of the pre-2010 health finance status quo. Substituting a cap on the tax-code subsidy that helps drive medical inflation is more politically plausible with the Cadillac tax in place than without.
Mr. Bush was shrewd to frame his proposal with the vocabulary of innovation and aspiration. ObamaCare is built on a 20th-century chassis that is ever less relevant to modern medicine and consumer finance. If the law continues to underperform, voters may be open to a new model that puts their choices and needs ahead of the political class’s.
 

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Anyone with a brain would know that this was always going to turn out disastrous.

Unfortunately, >50% of the population does not have a functioning brain armed with common sense. These dimwits will bite on any bullshit that "their team" tries to sell them.
 
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Anyone with a brain would know that this was always going to turn out disastrous.

Unfortunately, >50% of the population does not have a functioning brain armed with common sense. These dimwits will bite on any bullshit that "their team" tries to sell them.

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Obamacare is what happens when enough idiots are seduced by the "We have to do something!" left wing mantra.
 

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Obamacare is what happens when enough idiots are seduced by the "We have to do something!" left wing mantra.

You mean these idiots?

John Roberts, Sonia Sotomayor, Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Elena Kagan.
 

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Anyone with a brain would know that this was always going to turn out disastrous.

Unfortunately, >50% of the population does not have a functioning brain armed with common sense. These dimwits will bite on any bullshit that "their team" tries to sell them.

Good to see you Sekrah you should wade in this cesspool down here more often. There are some real lowlife's in here.
 

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hmm, sure as hell sounds like some major tweaking is needed.

a thread at another forum ; copied and pasted a few replies. Small business owners. health practitioners.



So much for affordable care...........just got a 32% premium increase notice for my health insurance......since 2009, my health ins. premium has gone from $900/month to $2400+/month.......wtf.......it is better to be unemployed.....
My wife and I just had a business meeting......plan is to quit buying anything, stuff it all away and get the F&%$ out of being a small business owner. Our insurance had increases every year, but not to this extent. This is insanity.....the next person I hear complaining about having to pay $25/month for their gobermint insurance is going to be punched in ther face, repeatedly, until they have no teeth left....

(anger management issues?...:).....)

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This is actually our plan.

They (all of them) handed complete power to the insurance companies.

Saw a commercial the other day...we are paying I think 20K a year..but it said we should make sure our 20K ins plan included Children's hospital. WTF? Really? What kind of a screwed up "system" has you paying 20K a year with an insane deductible..but it's up to you to make sure that the main children's hospital is on your plan?

Seriously by not going single payer..the inscos run the entire show now. Their stock prices have skyrocketed. Their CEO compensation has skyrocketed.

Us and MDs.....not so much.

I like your plan though. Bare bones makes sense. ..retire early..spend less..premiums will be less because you make less.....it's a serious part of my planning now.

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This is a fascinating conversation to listen to from the perspective of an oral surgeon who works in hospitals, is in-network with every crappy plan under the sun, and is slowly dropping them one by one. I dropped United Healthcare exactly a year ago. Then dropped Cigna a few months later which is the insurance my main hospital purchases for all employees. I used to operate on 2-3 hospital employees/acquaintances each year but now it's none because I am no longer in-network. BCBS is on my list because they are the biggest bur in my ass, have cost me the most money with their bullshit, but pay OK when they pay and are the biggest plan in my area. I report them to he state insurance commissioner about twice per year....I thought they would have dropped me by now for being a pain in the ass but they haven't. I dropped Humana last year also. Probably dropping Medicare soon because that one is taking my partners down with me...we have to all be on Medicare or none be on Medicare. I used to get a new cancer patient in my office 2-3 times per week and I would operate on all of them. Now that I dropped several plans, I tell about 1-2 patients per month they have to go find the lowest bidder to do their surgery, and it's no longer me. Out-of-network is no longer a possibility as OON deductibles are usually around $10,000 and it is illegal to bill the insurance company without getting the patient to pay their part also. I estimate about 2 more years before I will no longer bother doing cancer, jaw reconstructions and all the fun stuff through my private practice. We're about to getting the healthcare we deserve and it won't include me.
 

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You mean these idiots?

John Roberts, Sonia Sotomayor, Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Elena Kagan.

John Roberts promises to "call balls and strikes"

John Roberts acts to "rewrite Obamacare fees calling them taxes so the law can be constitutional"

a true modern day conservative, lets acquiesce again, for the benefit of those who take everything and never yield an inch under the fake guise of a slippery slope
 

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There are a few big reasons why conservatives will never again buy the RINO establishment "lesser evil" argument in future elections.

John Roberts is one of them.

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Yup...Roberts sure shit the bed. Nice payday waiting for him when he retires.
 

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wow, that thread is really morphing

here's the same oral surgeon from post #10 (3rd quote)


ugh!!!!


Ooooo watch out for those Medicare HMO plans. Be very careful. There is one in my area through United Healthcare. Patients show up and their card says UHC but also AARP but also says Secure Horizons. Here is their game that I saw repeatedly and systematically: I had a cancer patient with this plan and I did a maxillectomy, neck dissection and free flap from the forearm. 8 hour surgery. Took care of him in the hospital for 2 weeks. Submitted claim to UHC for surgery. Any time you submit correspondence they have 30 days to respond. So 28 days later they tell me the claim has to first go to AARP. So I submit it to AARP and 28 days later they tell me it has to be approved first by Secure Horizons. So I submit to Secure Horizons and 28 days later they say the plan is administered by a 3rd party called SilverBack. Silverback then says it actually was supposed to go to UHC in the first place. So I submit again to UHC and guess what their answer was? I missed the 90 day window to file the claim so I am no longer eligible for reimbursement. They did this multiple times. It was systematic and they had that scam down. So finally about a year ago I dropped UHC...I dropped all 12 UHC plans just because of that one plan (it's all or none). They suddenly sent me a check for that maxillectomy patient after almost 2 years....for $1400. As if I was going to say "oh wow let's sign back up!" It turns out I was the only oral surgeon for a few hundred miles in their network. They called to see if I would be willing to talk about my concerns and re-join. I said I would be happy to talk. The nice lady came over and was like a life insurance salesman with pretty brochures with all the buzzwords. I let her give her speech then I said, "I never had any intention of re-joining your network after they way you have treated me. You only get to poison the well once. But I jumped at the chance to have someone from your company come to my office so I could look them in the eye and tell them to go to hell. Have a nice day."

Another Medicare Cigna HMO patient I saw recently with cancer in his mandible....I am the only in-network surgeon in our city that knows how to do his surgery. But my 2 hospitals are not in-network with his insurance. I looked at the list of hospitals in his network and they were all outpatient surgery centers, not even real hospitals. They call themselves hospitals by having a low-level ER to be eligible for certain federal funds, but these ERs ship every patient out to a real hospital. Finally this patient with mandible cancer was able to get his insurance to let him have his surgery at my hospital. After his cancer sat and grew for another month.

I can go on and on. Sometimes I think about starting a blog on my experiences but there are already too many blogs out there. But be very careful with HMOs. Every HMO patient I have ever seen is amazed to learn that they truly signed up for the lowest bidder.
 

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Obamacare is a complete and utter failure. Period. But idiots like DuhPunch will consider it successful because a couple million people now have insurance, while the other 150million who were happy with theirs are now forced into higher premiums and copays, less choice, worse coverage...as well as MDs getting less reimbursement and many closing doors.

SUCCESS!! - cries Libtardville !!!
 

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Obamacare is a complete and utter failure. Period. But idiots like DuhPunch will consider it successful because a couple million people now have insurance, while the other 150million who were happy with theirs are now forced into higher premiums and copays, less choice, worse coverage...as well as MDs getting less reimbursement and many closing doors.

SUCCESS!! - cries Libtardville !!!


that is scary. Especially with a looming shortage of MD's in USA, ESPECIALLY specialists.

the gentleman that I quoted from post #14 is a unique ,gifted chap. Society loses when a guy like that shuts down. He's in Texas, and I can assure you , he's NOT a dime a dozen.
 

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It was all a charade.


Obamacare premium costs will soar 20.3 percent on average in 2016 instead of the 7.5 percent increase claimed by federal officials, according to an analysis by The Daily Caller News Foundation.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/01/o...3-times-faster-than-feds-claim/#ixzz3qMGilN5k



Well, 7.5% was the "average" increase to be expected, which doesn't really paint the whole picture.

Remember Ralph Sampson? He graduated from the U of Virginia with a degree in communications (I think), then went on to play in the NBA. The following year, the U of Virginia published a brochure with the "average" salaries of graduates in each field. The average starting salary for communications grads turned out to be something like $200k...perhaps just 'slightly' skewed by Ralph's NBA contract when you looked at the numbers a little more deeply. The median was closer to $30k.

In other words, I'd still like to see how the government arrived at a 7.5% average instead of the 20% the Daily Caller posted (frankly, the latter sounds far more plausible). Also, notice how the narrative has changed. First it was "we're going to lower your health insurance costs." Then, "it's the greedy insurance companies standing in our way." After that, "What do you want from us? We did our best." Today? "You really need to understand how fortunate you are that we only raised your costs by an average of 7.5%, which probably isn't even accurate, after putting our Midas touch on it, you fucking ingrates!"
 

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JD, Usually I don’t beat a dead horse but right now there are so many I can’t help myself.

Obama, the ACA, the House, the Senate, Granny Clinton, any Republican presidential candidate not named Cruz, Trump or Carson, the IRS, the DOJ, the EPA, all Liberals in general and Vitterd and Guesser in particular.


I’m sure I could come up with more but at this point what difference would it make.
 

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Obamacare is and always was massive wealth redistribution - another shackle on productive citizens so Democrats could feel good about themselves spending other people's money.

I can understand why moochers loved it from the beginning, but anyone who believed Obama's snake oil that premiums would go down long term is...well...

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