People make way too big of a deal out of recruiting. Recruiting grades are the biggest jokes by far in NCAA Football. The only advantage a school with a lot of 4 and 5 star recruits may have is a better chance at having one of these kids succeed because of the numbers. The fact is that most recruits fail miserably when compared to what was expected of them to begin with.
Just an opinion RLR....Mark Dantonio has really matured as a head coach. He's entering his ninth year in East Lansing and has been a winner both straight up and for a gaming man against the spread.
NO, they ain't going away soon....at least if the Spartans keep playing kick your teeth DEFENSE.
Love the coach and team who put a priority on Big D.
NO, they ain't going away soon....at least if the Spartans keep playing kick your teeth DEFENSE.
Love the coach and team who put a priority on Big D.
Agree. Fans from teams that finish in the middle of the pack recruiting always make these claims. The bottom line is the MAJORITY of the top teams have top top 20 or so recruiting classes.
Sure, there's the 2-star who becomes a super-star (look at Bortles from UCF a couple of years ago, or the Central Michigan OT that was the top pick in the draft). It happens. But the fact it, teams that recruit well....WIN! And they tend to win big.
Im also not all in on recruiting rankings, but I believe MSU knows how to evaluate talent better than recruiting services.....which may very well be the case with most title winning coaches. Thwy win for a reason right? The point to take here for MSU is that these are recruits that largely seemed off limits before. If they can get their tier 1 guys instead if their tier 2, well that just makes them all thw more dangerous.
if that was the case it would show itself in high-end NFL draft picks, which it does not
They win because 1) they have excellent coaches and 2) stability in the staff. I predict that with the staff starting to break up you will see them slide a bit back to the pack and get passed by State Penn and Michigan in the next few years. Very few schools have enjoyed the type of coaching staff stability and coaching talent but they aren't staying under the radar anymore.
going back to the talent evaluation.... 2015 and 2012 were the only two years since 2009 where MSU had more than 3 players drafted. In the past 12 years they have had just 2 first round picks (both were CB). I have posted several times the relationship b/w high draft picks and 4-5 star recruiting service players and MSU, who rarely recruit 4-5 stars, fall in with everyone else. Any team can win games, maybe even a conference title, with 2-3 stars but you will never win a national title with recruiting classes like MSU have posted
MD is a great coach but he was also very fortunate to have the same defensive coordinator (and other staff) with him for all 8 seasons at MSU.
I've been using the stability factor to evaluate teams for a long time now. I think it's something that many people neglect in their handicapping. The SF is the reason why Kansas St. has been so successful for many years under Snyder. Snyder is brilliant, but he also keeps his coaches and uses the same system every year. So KSU goes up and down based strictly on their players. Now BigDaddy, don't come in here and tell us "I hope you losers don't bet blindly on these kinds of teams." Of course not. The KEY is not necessarily to play on these teams (that return the majority of their components)...But by focusing on these type teams, it's simply easier to predict how they will perform. And avoiding the teams (especially early)...that return few components (have little stability) as we don't really know WTF they are gonna do...
Bama won the NC a few years ago without winning their conference title. But that's not what I was getting at. I'm saying you can win your conference title, but going on to play in and win a NC is a whole different ballgame. Especially if your not a top 10 recruiting program. So far in the last 20 years, nobody has been able to win the NC without having top 10 recruiting classes in 2 out of their last 4 recruiting cycles. Oklahoma in 2000 was the only exception. Those are just the facts. I'm not saying a non-blueblood can't win the NC, I'm just saying up to now they haven't been able to. If there was ever a year that a non-blueblood might have a fighting chance to break through and end this trend it could be this season. Especially with some of the bluebloods (other than tOSU) having a few more question marks than normal coming into this season.
i think losing Narduzzi is huge (forgot about cincy) but we can pretty much take Dantonio's record before and after Nard years from now to really see
if you look at draft picks since 2009 season (basically since Nard arrived and recruited guys that would be draft eligible) they are tilted to defense.
only one offensive player, Leveon Bell, has been drafted in first 3 rounds since the Dantonio-era recruits have been eligible. defense has put out two 1st and a 2nd in L3 drafts.
more than likely they will be my choice for the preseason top 15 team that isn't in top 25 at end of the year. but haven't looked at them all yet
why feed the troll? just ignore and move on. a dumbfuck is a dumbfuck is a dumbfuck. I thought we were all on the same page here as most of his last 10 threads have only been responded to by his buddy clover. get with the program, cb
that being said Pitt -4500 ML vs Youngstown St is my lock of week 1
There have been recent cases where one of the coordinators turned out to be the "brains" behind an operation. Case in point, when Colorado hired The Hawk away from Boise they thought the Zen Master was the real deal, but it turns out that Chris Peterson may have been the man behind the curtain.
