Memories Pizza in Indiana learns about tolerance

[SheriffJoe]

Were you taught that not believing in Jesus as the savior was wrong? Does that mean you'd be against doing business with Jews? Or atheist? I call bull shit. Religion here is being used an excuse to be a bigot, which is wrong. Don't get me wrong though, I'm a libertarian and think people should be allowed to be bigots on their own property, I'm not going to pretend it's something else though.

This issue is very simple but purposely made convoluted by radicals with an agenda.

The left wants us to believe the First Amendment was washed away by the sexual revolution.

The Constitution explicitly protects religious freedom, it does NOT protect immoral behavior. As a libertarian, you should know that there's no such thing as "gay rights"

Period. End of story.

 

[Michelangelo]

Very simply, the concept that the left can't get is that they are being bigoted against the major religions for having a belief system that predated and is different than theirs. But those religions and their beliefs are protected by the Constitution.

The Left are the bigots. Show me one example where the major religions attacked gays in this country. The gays and their sympathizers are the bigots on the attack.

 

[RenoChazz]

This issue is very simple but purposely made convoluted by radicals with an agenda.

The left wants us to believe the First Amendment was washed away by the sexual revolution.

The Constitution explicitly protects religious freedom, it does NOT protect immoral behavior. As a libertarian, you should know that there's no such thing as "gay rights"

Period. End of story.

You know I only believe in individual rights, and at the end of my post I said people should be able not do business with whoever they want for whatever reason they want to give. I disagree with you about the constitution not protecting immoral behavior. You as a group can't round me up and take my property, because you view me as immoral. The constitution protects all individuals. And as far religious freedom, that is protection to worship what ever religion you want without persecution. Being religious doesn't give you special rights over other individuals.

 

[vitterd]

Walter, michaelangelo, jdeucebag.....what a thread for these clowns . Disgraceful people. Gonna be very hot in
eternity for these type of people

 

[RenoChazz]

At the end of the day agree or disagree, anti-discrimination laws supersede religious freedoms. That's how it is, rather you like it or not. As long as gay marriage is legal then not doing business with them is discrimination, that's how the law works. Churches get a pass, but private businesses don't, that's how the law works. Don't like it? Well, then parts of the civil rights act need to not be renewed. The entire civil rights act is unconstitutional as a law, and that's why it's not a law, it's a temporary act that has to be renewed every so often.

Your right to worship isn't a right to discriminate, and religious freedom doesn't supersede individual liberty.

 

[NFLTrends]

The way I take it, is they aren't discriminating against gays or homosexuals, they just chose not to participate and support something they believe to be immoral according to their religious beliefs.

Why would they need to emphasize its a "gay" wedding anyways? I'm pretty sure if someone wants catering for their wedding they just say "hey, we are having a wedding with 200 guests, can you cater it for us?" Why does it need to be a "gay" wedding? I've never heard of anyone going to a "straight" wedding... It's just a wedding, so, why the emphasis on it being gay?

 

[SheriffJoe]

You know I only believe in individual rights, and at the end of my post I said people should be able not do business with whoever they want for whatever reason they want to give. I disagree with you about the constitution not protecting immoral behavior. You as a group can't round me up and take my property, because you view me as immoral. The constitution protects all individuals. And as far religious freedom, that is protection to worship what ever religion you want without persecution. Being religious doesn't give you special rights over other individuals.

Those would be collective rights - again, not authorized by the Constitution. The Constitution protects property rights mainly through the Fifth Amendment.

There are no absolute rights, as the left defines them - group rights or collective rights. Collective rights mean each individual only has rights that the collective tells them they have. Collective rights is nothing more than left wing doublespeak for COERCIVE STATE POWER.

"haters"
"discrimination"
"gay rights"

We are dealing with ignorant Commies at heart.

 

[The Guesser]

At the end of the day agree or disagree, anti-discrimination laws supersede religious freedoms. That's how it is, rather you like it or not. As long as gay marriage is legal then not doing business with them is discrimination, that's how the law works. Churches get a pass, but private businesses don't, that's how the law works. Don't like it? Well, then parts of the civil rights act need to not be renewed. The entire civil rights act is unconstitutional as a law, and that's why it's not a law, it's a temporary act that has to be renewed every so often.

Your right to worship isn't a right to discriminate, and religious freedom doesn't supersede individual liberty.

BRILLIANT Post RC.

 

[SheriffJoe]

At the end of the day agree or disagree, anti-discrimination laws supersede religious freedoms. That's how it is, rather you like it or not. As long as gay marriage is legal then not doing business with them is discrimination, that's how the law works. Churches get a pass, but private businesses don't, that's how the law works. Don't like it? Well, then parts of the civil rights act need to not be renewed. The entire civil rights act is unconstitutional as a law, and that's why it's not a law, it's a temporary act that has to be renewed every so often.

Your right to worship isn't a right to discriminate, and religious freedom doesn't supersede individual liberty.

If it's unconstitutional, get rid of it.

More collectivist bullshit we don't want or need.

This is an issue where peaceful civil disobedience will have to come into play...

 

[The Guesser]

The way I take it, is they aren't discriminating against gays or homosexuals, they just chose not to participate and support something they believe to be immoral according to their religious beliefs.

Why would they need to emphasize its a "gay" wedding anyways? I'm pretty sure if someone wants catering for their wedding they just say "hey, we are having a wedding with 200 guests, can you cater it for us?" Why does it need to be a "gay" wedding? I've never heard of anyone going to a "straight" wedding... It's just a wedding, so, why the emphasis on it being gay?

Lets take your hypothetical further. WHEN the business discovers the Wedding is a same sex wedding, what then? Would they be guilty of punishable discrimination at that point if they refused to cater it, when they previously agreed to cater it, since businesses are not allowed to discriminate based on Religion, Race, Gender?

 

[NFLTrends]

Lets take your hypothetical further. WHEN the business discovers the Wedding is a same sex wedding, what then? Would they be guilty of punishable discrimination at that point if they refused to cater it, when they previously agreed to cater it, since businesses are not allowed to discriminate based on Religion, Race, Gender?

I don't think a gay wedding falls under religion race or gender.

But I would sue the pizza place for backing out of a contract to cater the event.

 

[The Guesser]

I don't think a gay wedding falls under religion race or gender.

But I would sue the pizza place for backing out of a contract to cater the event.

We agree. That's why the Indiana law had to be fixed, so businesses couldn't legally discriminate based on their religious beliefs, and get out of such a lawsuit, based on their religious beliefs. Thankfully it was.
A gay wedding is just going to be a wedding, by law Nationally, as it is in many states now, after the Supreme court makes it so.

 

[ML Dog]

Moot Point has snuck in here cuz Gays would never serve Pizza at a wedding related affair.

Duck Le Orange, fancy pasta dishes, that shit in the hot bowl you dip small pieces of bread in...Quiche, souffles, salads of course

Brautwursts, Fish Tacos , bananas, cucumbers, BigStick Ice Cream bars, those puffy round pink coconut cake things....meatballs...

Show me a Gay wedding with Pizza and I'll show you a wedding where at least one of the marrying couple is not really gay

 

[Acebb]

At the end of the day agree or disagree, anti-discrimination laws supersede religious freedoms. That's how it is, rather you like it or not. As long as gay marriage is legal then not doing business with them is discrimination, that's how the law works. Churches get a pass, but private businesses don't, that's how the law works. Don't like it? Well, then parts of the civil rights act need to not be renewed. The entire civil rights act is unconstitutional as a law, and that's why it's not a law, it's a temporary act that has to be renewed every so often.

Your right to worship isn't a right to discriminate, and religious freedom doesn't supersede individual liberty.

Completely nonsensical. Religious Freedom is individual liberty.

You do not understand our nation’s founding principles. The Pilgrims came to Plymouth Rock in 1620 & departed England so they could practice their religion free of the state’s dictates.

What is so bizarre is watching people like you pretend not catering a gay wedding is "discrimination." It is embarrassing.

The best part though is that you can't square the fact that you actually think the state can force someone to engage in activities they object to, but then if a Church refuses to marry a gay couple or host a gay wedding, that is apparently ok.

 

[wabashwonders]

The following is not hypothetical and actually happened...


a young white couple, the bride from a catholic family and the groom from a non religious, non church going family. The grooms best friend was his best man and was black. The groom was told by the priest he could not have a black man as his best man. The groom decided to make his best friend an usher instead and was informed by the priest that no black man would be in the wedding party at all in his church. The wedding went on with an all white wedding party.

The Catholic Church is such a wonderful thing.

 

[festeringZit]

The following is not hypothetical and actually happened...


a young white couple, the bride from a catholic family and the groom from a non religious, non church going family. The grooms best friend was his best man and was black. The groom was told by the priest he could not have a black man as his best man. The groom decided to make his best friend an usher instead and was informed by the priest that no black man would be in the wedding party at all in his church. The wedding went on with an all white wedding party.

The Catholic Church is such a wonderful thing.

Not sure what your point is, yeah the priest was a racist idiot....

 

[MantisToboggan]

The following is not hypothetical and actually happened...


a young white couple, the bride from a catholic family and the groom from a non religious, non church going family. The grooms best friend was his best man and was black. The groom was told by the priest he could not have a black man as his best man. The groom decided to make his best friend an usher instead and was informed by the priest that no black man would be in the wedding party at all in his church. The wedding went on with an all white wedding party.

The Catholic Church is such a wonderful thing.

Yes, that one instance is certainly representative of the Catholic Church as a whole. I love this place.

 

[festeringZit]

Yes, that one instance is certainly representative of the Catholic Church as a whole. I love this place.

Brilliant thinking there, huh. There are 1.2 billion Roman Catholics in the world. Wabash finds "1" instance in behavior, and says "the following... actually happened" like
we are supposed to be outraged and shocked. ROFL.

 

[SheriffJoe]

One minute the State is forcing your business to pay for something most people consider murder, the next minute it's forcing you to participate in an activity the vast majority consider repulsive and disease riddled. Indeed, despite the Hollyweird propaganda campaign, homosexuality has to be one of the vilest behaviors of the sex fetish world.

By siding with the militant sodomites, what people, ALL PEOPLE, are losing is THEIR right to free expression and association...in a country founded on individual and religious liberties. Why should they be forced to play around in the sewer just because small handful of perverted weirdos demand they do?

THAT'S the million dollar question.

It's here, folks: Welcome to the radical left's new 'inclusive' totalitarian America.

Resist.

 

[vitterd]

Yes, that one instance is certainly representative of the Catholic Church as a whole. I love this place.

The catholic church is messed up. My aunt has been a devoted catholic her entire life. 20 years ago her husband cheated on her and divorced her. She is getting remarried this year but the church won't allow her to get married at the church she has faithfully served for decades.