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Just watch the show!

How anyone on either side could ever complain about bias on a show like this is beyond me. I watch it religiously now and it's really what America needs. David Gregory is outstanding. He keeps his guests on topic and asks the right questions. If only the rest of this lame stream media could report like this, America could get more honesty out of these politicians. A fantastic show this week on Health Care. The only point I wish was addressed was the fallacy of the 46 million uninsured Americans (but I was OK with the presentation of the host and the guest on how things were presented). Hell, it's even on MSNBC (what more could people on the left want?)

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31993494#31993494
 

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Completely agree with Gregory. The job of a reporter/journalist is to report...not editorialize. I think the media today unfortunately contributes to the dumbing down of America, by always feeling like they have to throw in their own opinion on every topic. That's what the editorial pages are for.
 

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"For it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. . . . To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past" -- Walter Cronkite, CBS Evening News, February 27, 1968.

Untold millions died because of Cronkite's editorializing the news.

The facts did not justify his analysis at all...he should have stuck with reporting.

Will the left ever admit the consequences of their recklessness?

Of course not.
 

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Reading the editorial pages "dumbs you down"?

The point is Punter that people rely on the opinion of reporters rather than being able to think for themselves (I think the term sheeple comes to mind). Yes, I would say if you can no longer think for yourself based on reported news, and have to rely on others viewpoints rather than come to a logical conclusion yourself...than you are a bit dumbed down.
 

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people rely on the opinion of reporters rather than being able to think for themselves (I think the term sheeple comes to mind

I think the term Punter comes to mind :103631605
 

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The point is Punter that people rely on the opinion of reporters rather than being able to think for themselves (I think the term sheeple comes to mind). Yes, I would say if you can no longer think for yourself based on reported news, and have to rely on others viewpoints rather than come to a logical conclusion yourself...than you are a bit dumbed down.

Maybe so, I notice it a lot with Ann Coulter readers on here.
 

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And That's The Way It Wasn't

By Ed Driscoll on War And Anti-War

As you surely know by now, Walter Cronkite death at age 92 was announced on Friday. This passage by John Podhoretz brilliantly sums up the peak of Cronkite's career arc in the late 1960s:

>>> Cronkite was a key figure in many ways, but foremost among them, perhaps, was the fact that he cleared the way for the mainstream media and the Establishment to join what Lionel Trilling called "the adversary culture." Cronkite, the gravelly voice of accepted American wisdom, whose comportment suggested he kept his money in bonds and would never even have considered exceeding the speed limit, devastated President Lyndon Johnson in the wake of the 1968 Tet Offensive by declaring that the United States "was mired in stalemate" in Vietnam—when Johnson knew that Tet had been a military triumph.

This on-air editorial, spoken during the most-watched newscast in the country when that meant 30 million people were watching (as opposed to 7 million today, with the nation having added more than 100 million in population), was a transformational moment in American history.

"If I've lost Cronkite," Johnson was reputed to have said, "I've lost middle America," and shortly thereafter he announced he would not run for reelection. This was a mark of Johnson's own poor political instincts—a president who thought a rich and powerful anchorman living the high life in New York city was the voice of the silent majority was a man out of touch with reality—but it was a leading indicator of how the media were changing. Cronkite didn't know what he was talking about when it came to Tet, as the late Peter Braestrup demonstrated in his colossal expose of the scandalous media coverage of the battle, Big Story. But he knew that among the people who mattered to him, and who were the leading edge of ideological fashion, Tet was a failure because the war in Vietnam was bad, and he took to the airwaves to say so.<<<

How did American media get to this point? As I wrote a couple of years ago in "Atlas Mugged":

>>> Prior to the 1920s, American newspapers and pamphleteers had a long, diverse history of vigorous, partisan debate. Which is why there are still newspapers with names like the Springfield Democrat and Shelbyville Republican.

That began to change with the rise of competition from the broadcast media. In the 1920s, because radio frequencies were finite, their allocation became heavily regulated by the federal government. As Shannon Love of the classically liberal Chicago Boyz (www.chicagoboyz.net) economics blog explains, the federal government "took the radio spectrum, and instead of auctioning it off like land, essentially socialized it. And then they made the distribution of the broadcast spectrum basically a political decision."

That, combined later with the FCC's so-called "Fairness Doctrine—which required broadcasting networks to give "equal time" to opposing viewpoints—compelled broadcasters to maintain at least a veneer of impartiality in order to get and keep their licenses. A de facto political compromise was reached, Love says, "that the broadcast news would not be political—it would be objective and nonpartisan, was basically the idea. And then that carried over from radio to TV," and eventually to print media. (That conceit continues to this day, as the media toss around words like "unbiased" and "objective" as easily as Dan Rather tosses off hoary, made-up Texas-isms.)

Completely dependent on the federal government, the broadcast industry's most urgent priority became "don't rock the boat." And aping their broadcast competitors, newspapers began to adopt the mantle of impartiality, as well. A mass media that increasingly eschewed vibrant political debate helped FDR win four presidential elections handily, and Ike's refusal to dismantle the New Deal in the 1950s only perpetuated its soft socialism. That era's pervasive desire for consensus was symbolized by the ubiquitous Man in the Gray Flannel Suit and his centrist politics.

By the early 1970s, mass media had reached its zenith (if you'll pardon the pun). Most Americans were getting their news from one of three TV networks' half-hour nightly broadcasts. With the exception of New York, most big cities had only one or two primary newspapers. And no matter what a modern newspaper's lineage, by and large its articles, except for local issues, came from global wire services like the Associated Press or Reuters; it took its editorial lead from the New York Times; and it claimed to be impartial (while usually failing miserably).

Up until the Reagan years, Love says, "definitely fewer than one hundred people, and maybe as few as twenty people, actually decided what constituted national news in the United States." These individuals were principally concentrated within a few square blocks of midtown Manhattan, the middle of which was home to the offices of the New York Times. The aptly nicknamed "Gray Lady" largely shaped the editorial agendas not just of newspapers but of television, as well. As veteran TV news correspondent Bernard Goldberg wrote in his 2003 book Arrogance, "If the New York Times went on strike tomorrow morning, they'd have to cancel the CBS, NBC, and ABC evening newscasts tomorrow night."

Love calls this "the Parliament of Clocks": creating the illusion of truth or accuracy by force of consensus. "Really, the only way that consumers can tell that they're getting accurate information is to check another media source," Love says. "And unfortunately, that creates an incentive for the media sources to all agree on the same story."<<<

Back in May, Gerard Vanderluen wrote, "The Media is how America fights its civil wars. In this war at least half the country is both under-served and is painfully aware it is being under-served and lied to. There may have been earlier examples, but Cronkite's attack on America's role in Vietnam was the most visible example of a nationally-known mass media journalist who had held himself out as a quote-unquote objective deliverer of the news taking an advocacy position against America's interests. This made it one of the flashpoints for the long simmering Cold Civil War between rival factions of America's culture .

On the other hand, regarding the extremely hot war in Vietnam, as Ed Morrissey writes, in hindsight, Cronkite's influence on America's involvement wasn't as damaging as it could have been — or as Cronkite no doubt hoped it would have been:

>>> I have felt for a long time that both his fans and his opponents made far too much out of Cronkite, who was a good news reader — and a better ambassador for CBS than his successors. Walter Cronkite did not lose us the Vietnam War; that was lost by Congress in 1974-5, after Richard Nixon had managed to put it back more or less to status quo ante years past Johnson's quote.<<<

Check out Lewis Sorley's 1999 book, A Better War, for more on the period of the Vietnam War post-Tet (and post Westmoreland) that seems otherwise largely forgotten by a history that essentially flash-forwards from Tet to the last helicopters out of Saigon being unceremoniously dumped off the sides of overloaded American aircraft carriers.

Cronkite's moment is thankfully lost since past. Between the Blogosphere and the rest of the Web and cable TV, the parliament of clocks, with Cronkite as ther most visible member, is over. And the cost of entry for those who wish to report and comment on the news is effectively nil, unlike the limited resources of the mass media era.

Also, our relationship with Old Media has changed; while they're busy embarrassing themselves by fawning over President Obama, most of us don't view television newsreaders with that same level of awe anymore. As Hollywood screenwriter and pundit Burt Prelutsky wrote a few years ago:

>>> You can go back to Chet Huntley, David Brinkley, John Chancellor and Walter Cronkite. We treated them all with a deference that was totally out of proportion to the work they did. Essentially, the job description requires that they read the captions to the news footage we're watching and to introduce the on-site reporters. Do you really think that constitutes the mental equivalent of heavy lifting? For doing what your uncle Sid could do — and with a lot more pazazz — they're paid enormous amounts of money. On top of all the dough, they are constantly the honorees at testimonial dinners, but that's fine, so long as I don't have to attend. But the trouble is, they're regarded as important people by way too many of us, and that's not good. Why? Because it makes us all look like a bunch of saps — what H.L. Mencken called the boobus americanus and what P.T. Barnum simply labeled suckers.

Because these anchors get to spend their entire careers talking about important events and important people, they naturally come to regard themselves as important. Self-delusion is a form of insanity and we should not encourage it by fawning over them.

When they finally sign off for the last time, you notice that the testimonials inevitably mention how many political conventions they covered, how many space missions, how many inaugurations, assassinations, uprisings and wars, as if they had had a hand in any of these earth-shaking events. It wasn't their hands that were involved, it was their behinds, as they sat year after year at those desks, declaiming in those store-bought voices what we were seeing with our own eyes — all thanks to the journalistic peons who actually went places and did things and took risks so that we could sit home and watch it

Now, I'm not saying we should kill the messengers. I'm just suggesting it's time we stopped canonizing them.<<<

It seems safe to say that if you're regular consumer of blogs, you're long since past the stage of canonizing news readers, and that's a good thing.

We'll likely never see a journalist with the monopoly that Cronkite and his nightly "competitors" at NBC and ABC had; and frankly, that seems like a very good thing. :103631605
 

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Btw. Did anyone watch the show or should we continue with this side show? Amazing how quickly we can get off topic.
 

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Completely agree with Gregory. The job of a reporter/journalist is to report...not editorialize.

Every mainstream news outlet for the past century has had an editorial component and for many, the lead anchors or writers are members of that editorial board. While no one is particularly interested in the random opinions of a street reporter, we've all looked to the lead anchors and writers to express their personal opinions on leading news of the day.
 

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You are more goofy than a road lizzard.

If I really thought that Joe Jr honestly believed half the tripe he puts up in the interest of provoking more chat, I'd be worried.

But lobbing up messages which imply that somehow the USA was wise to have been buried in the Vietnam War for a decade lets me know he's just yanking a few PoliticoPub chains.
 

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The success of the Tet offensive is prime example of war hawks pointing to an isolated incident of short term military success and using it to imply that the overall ten years of futility was somehow not just that.
 

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As a younster in the rural south in the late sixities, I can vividly remember my grandfather coming home from the corn and hay fields and watching the CBS Evening News. Hot and tired, he would hang on Cronkite's every word, especially when reporting on "Our Boys" in a war in a land so far away. My grandfather would get upset an on ocassion even mean and nasty if someone would try to speek in the middle of the broadcast. My grandfather was not a very educated man, just hard working and proud to be an American. I think Cronkite's appeal touched "Common Folk" more in some regards in that he was a voice of sensibility in a chaotic time. As a kid, I did not know what was going on in "Damn Vietnam" either, but Cronkite made even the simpliest and meekest human beings understand. Later in my life, I too became a solider and meet some of those brave men who were in that land so far a way. As to the article by Mr. Driscol, maybe Cronkite's ego and reputation superceded his objectivity in reporting, and other top escelon reporters may also be guilty, but I guess it goes with the territory.
 

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If I really thought that Joe Jr honestly believed half the tripe he puts up in the interest of provoking more chat, I'd be worried.

But lobbing up messages which imply that somehow the USA was wise to have been buried in the Vietnam War for a decade lets me know he's just yanking a few PoliticoPub chains.

Oh that crazy Barman...

Let's just pretend there were not any consequences to the hasty retreat in Viet Nam precipitated by the knee jerk Anti-war movement and Cronkite's incorrect editorializing of the news.

3 million slaughtered...who? Me? ^<<^
 

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It clearly sucked to be Vietnamese in the 1960s and 1970s

It still stands that the US military intervention was a horrible error in judgement by Presidents Kennedy, Johnson and to a lesser degree Nixon.
 

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It clearly sucked to be Vietnamese in the 1960s and 1970s

It still stands that the US military intervention was a horrible error in judgement by Presidents Kennedy, Johnson and to a lesser degree Nixon.

Ok...end the thread.

I can pretty much agree with all that. :103631605

The problem is...nearly everything we do from day to day can be seen as an error in judgment when using rose colored rear view mirrors.
 

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