He also shit his pants during the USS Forrestal fire which exacerbated the situation:
http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjohn_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta.htm
McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fired a rocket, which hit McCain's external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire.
http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjohn_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta.htm
McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fired a rocket, which hit McCain's external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire.
He also shit his pants during the USS Forrestal fire which exacerbated the situation:
http://judicial-inc.biz/82jjohn_mccain_and_the_uss_forresta.htm
McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fired a rocket, which hit McCain's external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire.
LOL...no he didn't. The lefties are in full panic mode. :lol:
John Sidney McCain III entered the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis,
Maryland in 1954. Young McCain wanted to become an admiral. He planned to be
the "first son and grandson of four star admirals" to achieve such a
distinction. But that was not to be. McCain III possessed none of the innate
character and discipline traits that helped mold his father and grandfather
into great military leaders.
His father, John S. "Junior" McCain, and grandfather, John S. McCain, Sr.,
were famous four-star Admirals in the U.S. Navy. His father commanded U.S.
forces in Europe before becoming commander of American forces fighting in
Vietnam. His grandfather commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa
in 1945. Both men became highly influential in U.S. Navy operations.
At the Academy, aside being known as a "rowdy, raunchy, underachiever" who
resented authority, Cadet McCain became infamous as a leader among his
fellow midshipmen for organizing "off-Yard activities" and hard drinking
parties. Robert Timberg wrote in his book, The Nightingale's Song, that
"being on liberty with John McCain was like being in a train wreck."
McCain's grades were "marginal." He drew so many demerits for breaking
curfew and other discipline issues that he graduated fifth from the bottom
of the class of 1958. Despite his low "class standing," and no doubt because
of the influence of his family of famous Admirals, McCain was leap-frogged
ahead of more qualified applicants and granted a coveted slot to be trained
as a navy pilot.
Good Party Animal - Bad Pilot:
He spent the next two and a half years as a "naval aviator in training" at
Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi
in Texas, flying A-1 Skyraiders.
While a pilot trainee, McCain continued to party hard. He drove a Corvette
and dated an exotic dancer named "Marie the Flame of Florida." Timberg wrote
that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below
par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it."
McCain Lost Five Military Aircraft
McCain, the "below par" pilot, eventually lost 5 military aircraft, the
first during a training flight in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi
Bay while trying to land. The Navy ignored the crash and graduated McCain in
1960.
Maryland in 1954. Young McCain wanted to become an admiral. He planned to be
the "first son and grandson of four star admirals" to achieve such a
distinction. But that was not to be. McCain III possessed none of the innate
character and discipline traits that helped mold his father and grandfather
into great military leaders.
His father, John S. "Junior" McCain, and grandfather, John S. McCain, Sr.,
were famous four-star Admirals in the U.S. Navy. His father commanded U.S.
forces in Europe before becoming commander of American forces fighting in
Vietnam. His grandfather commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa
in 1945. Both men became highly influential in U.S. Navy operations.
At the Academy, aside being known as a "rowdy, raunchy, underachiever" who
resented authority, Cadet McCain became infamous as a leader among his
fellow midshipmen for organizing "off-Yard activities" and hard drinking
parties. Robert Timberg wrote in his book, The Nightingale's Song, that
"being on liberty with John McCain was like being in a train wreck."
McCain's grades were "marginal." He drew so many demerits for breaking
curfew and other discipline issues that he graduated fifth from the bottom
of the class of 1958. Despite his low "class standing," and no doubt because
of the influence of his family of famous Admirals, McCain was leap-frogged
ahead of more qualified applicants and granted a coveted slot to be trained
as a navy pilot.
Good Party Animal - Bad Pilot:
He spent the next two and a half years as a "naval aviator in training" at
Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida and Naval Air Station Corpus Christi
in Texas, flying A-1 Skyraiders.
While a pilot trainee, McCain continued to party hard. He drove a Corvette
and dated an exotic dancer named "Marie the Flame of Florida." Timberg wrote
that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below
par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it."
McCain Lost Five Military Aircraft
McCain, the "below par" pilot, eventually lost 5 military aircraft, the
first during a training flight in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi
Bay while trying to land. The Navy ignored the crash and graduated McCain in
1960.
YA WANT FACTS ...
"What Bush did to McCain in the 2000 S. C. primary"
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FACT SHEET:
Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000
Bush Supporters Called McCain “The *** Candidate.” In South Carolina, Bush supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain “the *** candidate.” Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed “even as Bush subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn’t hire openly gay people for his administration.” <washington post,="" 18="" 00;="" rich="" op-ed,="" austin="" american-statesman,="" 2="" 29="" 00="">
McCain Slurs Included Illegitimate Children, Homosexuality And A Drug-Addict Wife.
Among the rumors circulated against McCain in 2000 in South Carolina was that his adopted Bangladeshi daughter was actually black, that McCain was both gay and cheated on his wife, and that his wife Cindy was a drug addict.” <ivins column,="" the="" nation,="" 6="" 18="" 01="">
Bush Campaign Used Code Words to Question McCain’s Temper.
“A smear campaign of the ugliest sort is now coursing through the contest for the presidency in 2000. Using the code word "temper," a group of Senate Republicans, and at least some outriders of the George W. Bush campaign, are spreading the word that John McCain is unstable. The subtext, also suggested in this whispering campaign, is that he returned from 5 1/2 years as a POW in North Vietnam with a loose screw. And it is bruited about that he shouldn't be entrusted with nuclear weapons.” <drew op-ed,="" washington="" post,="" 11="" 19="" 99="">
Bush Supporters Questioned McCain’s Sanity.
“Some of George W. Bush's supporters have questioned Republican presidential candidate John McCain's fitness for the White House, suggesting that his five years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam drove him insane at the time.” <lansing state="" journal,="" 11="" 23="" 99="">
Bush Supporters Spread Racist Rumors About McCain’s Daughter.
Bush supporters in South Carolina made race-baiting phone calls saying that McCain had a “black child.” The McCains’ daughter, Bridget, was adopted from Mother Teresa’s orphanage in Bangladesh. In August 2000, columnist Maureen Dowd wrote that the McCains “are still seething about Bush supporters in South Carolina spreading word of their dark-skinned adopted daughter.” <time, 6="" boston="" globe,="" 3="" 4="" 00;="" dowd="" column,="" new="" york="" times,="" 8="" 9="" 00="">
Rove Suggests Former POW McCain Committed Treason and Fathered Child With Black Prostitute.
In 2000, McCain operatives in SC accused Rove of spreading rumors against McCain, such as “suggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a black prostitute,” according to the New Yorker. <new yorker,="" 5="" 12="" 03="">
After Rove Denied Role In McCain Whisper Campaign, Reporters Concluded He Was Behind It.
A December 1999 Dallas Morning News linked Rove to a series of campaign dirty tricks, including his College Republican efforts, allegedly starting a whisper campaign about Ann Richard being too gay-friendly, spreading stories about Jim Hightower’s involvement in a kickback scheme and leaking the educational history of Lena Guerrero. The article also outlined current dirty tricks and whisper campaigns against McCain in South Carolina, including that “McCain may be unstable as a result of being tortured while a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.” (DMN, 12/2/99) After the article was published, Rove blasted Slater in the Manchester, NH airport, “nose to nose” according to one witness, with Rove claiming Slater had “harmed his reputation,” Slater later noted. But according to one witness, “What was interesting then is that everyone on the campaign charter concluded that Rove was responsible for rumors about McCain.” <the nation,="" 3="" 5="" 01="">
Rove Was In Close Touch With McConnell, McCain-Feingold’s Chief Opponent.
Senior White House adviser Karl Rove was in close contact with Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) during McConnell’s effort to fight the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Bill in the U.S. Senate. According to Newsweek, though Rove and Bush have publicly kept their distance from McConnell on the issue, “sources tell Newsweek that Rove is, in fact, in close touch with McConnell as GOP experts study the bill for hidden land mines.” <newsweek, 2="" 25="" 02="">
Bush Campaign Accused of Using Push Polls Against McCain.
College of Charleston student Suzette Latsko said she received a telephone call from a woman who identified herself as an employee of Voter/Consumer Research, and that the caller misrepresented McCain’s positions and asked if Latsko knew McCain had been reprimanded for interfering with federal regulators in the savings and loan scandal. Voter/Consumer Research is listed as a polling contractor on Bush’s Federal Election Commission filings; the Bush campaign has paid Voter/Consumer Research $93,000 through December 31, 1999. Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer denied the call was a push poll, but said it was important that the Republican Party remember McCain’s role in the S&L crisis. <houston chronicle,="" 2="" 8="" 00="">
Bush Campaign Acknowledged Making Phone Calls.
Tucker Eskew, Bush’s South Carolina spokesman, acknowledged the Bush campaign made such calls, but claimed they were not “push polls.” Eskew added, “Show me a baseless comment in those questions.”
Bush Used Fringe Veterans Group to Attack McCain as “Manchurian Candidate.”
“In the case of Ted Sampley, the same guy who did Bush's dirty work in going after Sen. John McCain in the 2000 Republican primaries is doing the job against Kerry this year. Sampley dared compare McCain, who spent five years as a Vietnam POW, with ‘the Manchurian Candidate.’” <dionne op-ed,="" washington="" post,="" 4="" 27="" 04="">
Sampley Called McCain a “Coward” and a Traitor.
“Sampley… accused McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped death by collaborating with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first been compromised by the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets.” </dionne></post></houston></newsweek,></the></new></time,></lansing></drew></ivins></washington></p></td></tr></tbody></table>
"What Bush did to McCain in the 2000 S. C. primary"
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</td> <td class="dclite" width="100%">
FACT SHEET:
Bush Waged Nasty Smear Campaign Against McCain in 2000
Bush Supporters Called McCain “The *** Candidate.” In South Carolina, Bush supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain “the *** candidate.” Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed “even as Bush subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn’t hire openly gay people for his administration.” <washington post,="" 18="" 00;="" rich="" op-ed,="" austin="" american-statesman,="" 2="" 29="" 00="">
McCain Slurs Included Illegitimate Children, Homosexuality And A Drug-Addict Wife.
Among the rumors circulated against McCain in 2000 in South Carolina was that his adopted Bangladeshi daughter was actually black, that McCain was both gay and cheated on his wife, and that his wife Cindy was a drug addict.” <ivins column,="" the="" nation,="" 6="" 18="" 01="">
Bush Campaign Used Code Words to Question McCain’s Temper.
“A smear campaign of the ugliest sort is now coursing through the contest for the presidency in 2000. Using the code word "temper," a group of Senate Republicans, and at least some outriders of the George W. Bush campaign, are spreading the word that John McCain is unstable. The subtext, also suggested in this whispering campaign, is that he returned from 5 1/2 years as a POW in North Vietnam with a loose screw. And it is bruited about that he shouldn't be entrusted with nuclear weapons.” <drew op-ed,="" washington="" post,="" 11="" 19="" 99="">
Bush Supporters Questioned McCain’s Sanity.
“Some of George W. Bush's supporters have questioned Republican presidential candidate John McCain's fitness for the White House, suggesting that his five years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam drove him insane at the time.” <lansing state="" journal,="" 11="" 23="" 99="">
Bush Supporters Spread Racist Rumors About McCain’s Daughter.
Bush supporters in South Carolina made race-baiting phone calls saying that McCain had a “black child.” The McCains’ daughter, Bridget, was adopted from Mother Teresa’s orphanage in Bangladesh. In August 2000, columnist Maureen Dowd wrote that the McCains “are still seething about Bush supporters in South Carolina spreading word of their dark-skinned adopted daughter.” <time, 6="" boston="" globe,="" 3="" 4="" 00;="" dowd="" column,="" new="" york="" times,="" 8="" 9="" 00="">
Rove Suggests Former POW McCain Committed Treason and Fathered Child With Black Prostitute.
In 2000, McCain operatives in SC accused Rove of spreading rumors against McCain, such as “suggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a black prostitute,” according to the New Yorker. <new yorker,="" 5="" 12="" 03="">
After Rove Denied Role In McCain Whisper Campaign, Reporters Concluded He Was Behind It.
A December 1999 Dallas Morning News linked Rove to a series of campaign dirty tricks, including his College Republican efforts, allegedly starting a whisper campaign about Ann Richard being too gay-friendly, spreading stories about Jim Hightower’s involvement in a kickback scheme and leaking the educational history of Lena Guerrero. The article also outlined current dirty tricks and whisper campaigns against McCain in South Carolina, including that “McCain may be unstable as a result of being tortured while a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.” (DMN, 12/2/99) After the article was published, Rove blasted Slater in the Manchester, NH airport, “nose to nose” according to one witness, with Rove claiming Slater had “harmed his reputation,” Slater later noted. But according to one witness, “What was interesting then is that everyone on the campaign charter concluded that Rove was responsible for rumors about McCain.” <the nation,="" 3="" 5="" 01="">
Rove Was In Close Touch With McConnell, McCain-Feingold’s Chief Opponent.
Senior White House adviser Karl Rove was in close contact with Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) during McConnell’s effort to fight the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Bill in the U.S. Senate. According to Newsweek, though Rove and Bush have publicly kept their distance from McConnell on the issue, “sources tell Newsweek that Rove is, in fact, in close touch with McConnell as GOP experts study the bill for hidden land mines.” <newsweek, 2="" 25="" 02="">
Bush Campaign Accused of Using Push Polls Against McCain.
College of Charleston student Suzette Latsko said she received a telephone call from a woman who identified herself as an employee of Voter/Consumer Research, and that the caller misrepresented McCain’s positions and asked if Latsko knew McCain had been reprimanded for interfering with federal regulators in the savings and loan scandal. Voter/Consumer Research is listed as a polling contractor on Bush’s Federal Election Commission filings; the Bush campaign has paid Voter/Consumer Research $93,000 through December 31, 1999. Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer denied the call was a push poll, but said it was important that the Republican Party remember McCain’s role in the S&L crisis. <houston chronicle,="" 2="" 8="" 00="">
Bush Campaign Acknowledged Making Phone Calls.
Tucker Eskew, Bush’s South Carolina spokesman, acknowledged the Bush campaign made such calls, but claimed they were not “push polls.” Eskew added, “Show me a baseless comment in those questions.”
Bush Used Fringe Veterans Group to Attack McCain as “Manchurian Candidate.”
“In the case of Ted Sampley, the same guy who did Bush's dirty work in going after Sen. John McCain in the 2000 Republican primaries is doing the job against Kerry this year. Sampley dared compare McCain, who spent five years as a Vietnam POW, with ‘the Manchurian Candidate.’” <dionne op-ed,="" washington="" post,="" 4="" 27="" 04="">
Sampley Called McCain a “Coward” and a Traitor.
“Sampley… accused McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped death by collaborating with the enemy. Sampley claimed that McCain had first been compromised by the Vietnamese, then recruited by the Soviets.” </dionne></post></houston></newsweek,></the></new></time,></lansing></drew></ivins></washington></p></td></tr></tbody></table>
Obama disowns critique of McCain's military record
<!-- BEGIN STORY BODY -->By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer 4 minutes ago
<!-- end storyhdr -->HARRISBURG, Pa. - Democrat Barack Obama rejected a retired general's suggestion that Republican John McCain's military experience didn't necessarily qualify him to be president, as GOP surrogates lined up to label the remarks indecent and disrespectful.
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A day after retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark, now an Obama supporter, discussed McCain's experience as a Navy pilot and prisoner of war in Vietnam on a Sunday talk show, his remarks set off the pattern that has become familiar from innumerable earlier flaps over surrogate remarks during the presidential election year: The candidates, Obama and McCain, took the high road while the bare-knuckled language was left to their surrogates.
At a news conference here Monday, McCain himself said of Clark's comment, "That kind of thing is unnecessary" and distracts from real pocketbook issues voters care about.
About the same time, Obama told an audience in Independence, Mo., that McCain had "endured physical torment in service to our country" and "no one should ever devalue that service, especially for the sake of a political campaign, and that goes for supporters on both sides."
The latest dustup began on CBS's "Face the Nation." Clark, the former supreme commander of NATO under Bill Clinton, said McCain's military service was not the same as executive experience.
"In the matters of national security policy making, it's a matter of understanding risk," Clark said "It's a matter of gauging your opponents, and it's a matter of being held accountable. John McCain's never done any of that in his official positions. I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in the armed forces, as a prisoner of war.
"He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee and he has traveled all over the world, but he hasn't held executive responsibility," Clark said. "That large squadron in the Navy that he commanded — that wasn't a wartime squadron."
Clark has said as much before, but drew little notice. CBS moderator Bob Schieffer cited Clark's earlier remarks and noted that Obama hadn't had those experiences either nor had he ridden in a fighter plane and been shot down. "Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president," Clark replied.
At least five Republican senators and retired military officers — four on a conference call arranged by the McCain campaign — cried foul Monday, particularly over Clark's last line.
"I was utterly shocked," Sen. John Warner, R-Va., told the conference call, " ... that he would in such a disrespectful way attack one of his fellow career military officers."
"Beyond comprehension ... further erosion of our nation's political discourse," said former Sen. Bob Dole, R-Kan., in a written statement.
"Complete silliness," retired Navy Lt. Cmdr. Carl Smith said on the call.
Retired Marine Lt. Col. Orson Swindle said Clark was "denigrating the character and the experience and the integrity and the performance" of McCain.
"A very indecent thing," said retired Air Force Col. Bud Day.
Day's appearance on the conference call spawned a new round of broadsides as the Democratic National Committee rushed to point out that Day had appeared in the so-called Swift Boat TV ads that cast aspersions during the 2004 election on the medals that Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry earned in Vietnam. Committee spokesman Damien LaVera said that McCain himself had called the Swift Boat ads "dishonest and dishonorable."
By comparison with these exchanges, the candidates were positively high-minded. Besides Obama's personal remarks disdaining criticism of McCain's military service, the campaign's spokesman, Bill Burton said, "Sen. Obama honors and respects Sen. McCain's service, and of course he rejects yesterday's statement by Gen. Clark."
McCain himself said, "If that's the kind of campaign Sen. Obama and his surrogates and supporters want to engage in, I understand that. But it doesn't reduce the price of gas by one penny. It doesn't achieve our energy independence or make it come any closer. Doesn't make any American stay in their home who's at risk of losing it today. And it certainly doesn't do anything to address the challenges Americans have in keeping their jobs, homes and supporting their families."
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It's posts like this that shows me why Doc's better off cutting and pasting than trying to come up with original thoughts.... :missingte
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It's posts like this that shows me why Doc's better off cutting and pasting than trying to come up with original thoughts.... :missingte
LOL...you don't have any "facts" that said McCain dropped his bombs in a panic.
It's not even possible. There are multiple steps involved with dropping a bomb...do you think it's just a naked toggle switch like in cartoons? :nohead:
Flaming spilled fuel ignited ordinance..which blew up and ignited other ordinance..on and on in a chain reaction.
The official reports have no mention of McCain dropping his bombs...lol
