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McCain-Palin Ahead in Ohio, Even With a Democrat-Heavy Sample

Tomorrow Strategic Vision will be releasing Ohio and Georgia polls, and what they found in the Buckeye State really surprises me.

In Ohio, they find McCain-Palin ahead of Obama-Biden up, 48 percent to 44 percent. But what makes those numbers really eye-opening is the breakdown of the sample: 576 (48%) identified themselves as Democrats; 444 (37%) identified themselves as Republicans; and 170 (15%) identified themselves as Independent or other party affiliation.

In Georgia, they find McCain/Palin ahead of Obama/Biden, 52 percent to 39 percent. In that sample, the GOP/Dem/Ind split is 46-41-13.

The margin of error in both polls is plus or minus three percentage points. It's now pretty plausible to argue that if Obama is going to win the presidency, he's going to have to do it without Ohio and without Florida. Not impossible, but quite difficult.
 

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McCain-Palin Ahead in Ohio, Even With a Democrat-Heavy Sample

Tomorrow Strategic Vision will be releasing Ohio and Georgia polls, and what they found in the Buckeye State really surprises me.

In Ohio, they find McCain-Palin ahead of Obama-Biden up, 48 percent to 44 percent. But what makes those numbers really eye-opening is the breakdown of the sample: 576 (48%) identified themselves as Democrats; 444 (37%) identified themselves as Republicans; and 170 (15%) identified themselves as Independent or other party affiliation.

In Georgia, they find McCain/Palin ahead of Obama/Biden, 52 percent to 39 percent. In that sample, the GOP/Dem/Ind split is 46-41-13.

The margin of error in both polls is plus or minus three percentage points. It's now pretty plausible to argue that if Obama is going to win the presidency, he's going to have to do it without Ohio and without Florida. Not impossible, but quite difficult.

What makes you assume that 48/37 is democrat heavy for Ohio?
 

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But what makes those numbers really eye-opening is the breakdown of the sample: 576 (48%) identified themselves as Democrats; 444 (37%) identified themselves as Republicans; and 170 (15%) identified themselves as Independent or other party affiliation.

Hence, the democratic-heavy sample.
 

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Below are the results of a three-day poll of likely voters in the state of Ohio. Results are based on telephone interviews with 1200 likely voters in Ohio, aged 18+, and conducted September 7-9, 2008 by telephone. The margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

1. If the election for President were held today would you support the Democratic ticket of Barack Obama and Joseph Biden or the Republican ticket of John McCain and Sarah Palin?
McCain/Palin 48%
Obama/Biden 44%
Other 2%
Undecided 6%

2. Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Barack Obama?
Favorable 48%
Unfavorable 39%
Undecided 13%

3. Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Joseph Biden?
Favorable 46%
Unfavorable 34%
Undecided 20%

4. Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of John McCain?
Favorable 49%
Unfavorable 36%
Undecided 15%

5. Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Sarah Palin?
Favorable 53%
Unfavorable 33%
Undecided 14%

6. Which presidential candidate do you believe would be best able to handle the economy, Barack Obama or John McCain?
John McCain 49%
Barack Obama 43%
Undecided 8%

7. Which presidential candidate do you believe would be best able to handle the war in Iraq, Barack Obama or John McCain?
John McCain 52%
Barack Obama 38%
Undecided 10%
 

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Tocco, then next thing you know McCain will be gaining in California :missingte
 

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But what makes those numbers really eye-opening is the breakdown of the sample: 576 (48%) identified themselves as Democrats; 444 (37%) identified themselves as Republicans; and 170 (15%) identified themselves as Independent or other party affiliation.

Hence, the democratic-heavy sample.

Again, what makes you think that's a democratic-heavy sample? It may be, I'm not sure. But do you know the actual ratio of registered dems/repubs in Ohio these days? 48/37 may be spot-on or even low.
 

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Again, what makes you think that's a democratic-heavy sample? It may be, I'm not sure. But do you know the actual ratio of registered dems/repubs in Ohio these days? 48/37 may be spot-on or even low.

Since Ohio is a red state, I'm going to assume democrats don't outnumber republicans 47-38.
 

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Democrats far outnumber Republicans

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Willie, since you're the accountant, shall I let you do the math here?
 

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Ohio now has more than 2.4 million registered Democrats compared with almost 1.5 million Republicans. (A slight majority of voters -- 4 million -- are not affiliated with either party.)

Unless they used some different standard to identify party affiliation, the poll seems to have an extreme under sampling of those that aren't either a registered Democrat or a registered Republican (15% compared to around 50%).
 

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They (Wully and his lot) just put the numbers in the right (or wrong) place dude, bookeepers do the actual math
 

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Interesting analysis by "dispatchpolitics.com".

I went to the Secretary of State's site, before I made my assumption, and couldn't find anything on party affiliation.

When searching, I did find a "liberal blogger" that provided a new voter registration analysis for swing states. He said there was no data available for Ohio.

What's amazing, is with a story that would be as big as this, 1,000,000 more new Democrats, the national press chooses to ignore it?

dispatchpolitics.com provides no links and / or no description of their procedures.

The data may be accurate, I can't disprove it, but with the accuracy of data you guys cite and the total bullshit we all should know flies around out there, I have reasons to be a tad bit skeptical.

Added together, this chit don't pass the smell test.
 

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Ohio voters do not declare a party when registering to vote.

"It looks more dramatic than it probably is because of the way we do voter registration in this state......"

Although it's difficult to compare Ohio with other states because not all follow the same rules for registering voters


Can anyone tell me what the above referenced statements mean? All of which were found with D2's post. :think2:

No wonder why the story is ignored. Even the low life left leaning press in this country didn't see enough to run with.
 

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