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factcheck.org tears apart his new ad...

"Dishonorable"
October 6, 2008
McCain-Palin ad distorts Obama's remark on Afghanistan and support for troop-funding bills.
Summary
A McCain-Palin ad calls Obama "dishonorable," while distorting his words and votes on troop funding.
  • It accuses him of saying "our troops in Afghanistan" are just bombing villages and killing civilians. What Obama said, in context, was a criticism of U.S. military strategy, and not of American troops.

  • It accuses Obama and "Congressional liberals" of voting repeatedly to cut off funding for troops, "increasing the risk on their lives." In fact, the votes were for bringing the troops home, cutting off funding only if the president failed to comply.
Analysis
The McCain-Palin campaign released the ad, titled "Dangerous," and said it would be televised nationally. It recycles a misleading, 14-month-old charge that Sen. Barack Obama disrespected U.S. troops fighting in Afghanistan by accusing them of "just air-raiding villages and killing civilians." It also misrepresents votes in favor of withdrawing troops from Iraq as being votes "increasing the risk on their lives."
McCain-Palin 2008 Ad:
"Dangerous"

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Narrator: Who is Barack Obama? He says our troops in Afghanistan are...

Obama: ...just air-raiding villages and killing civilians.

Narrator: How dishonorable.

Congressional liberals voted repeatedly to cut off funding to our active troops. Increasing the risk on their lives.

How dangerous.

Obama and congressional liberals. Too risky for America.

McCain: I'm John McCain and I approved this message.

Dishonorable?

The ad asks, "Who is Barack Obama," then calls him "dishonorable" for supposedly saying that U.S. troops in Afghanistan are "just air-raiding villages and killing civilians."

Gov. Sarah Palin raised a similar charge during the October 2 vice presidential debate. The intervening weekend hasn't made the claim any more substantive. What Obama said – more than a year ago at an August 2007 campaign stop – was a criticism of administration military strategy and not a criticism of "our troops":
Obama (August 2007): We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.
At the time, then-Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney attacked Obama for the remark. But Obama was on solid ground. As The Associated Press concluded: "As of Aug. 1 [2007], the AP count shows that while militants killed 231 civilians in attacks in 2007, Western forces killed 286. Another 20 were killed in crossfire that can't be attributed to one party." Even President Bush admitted that there were too many civilian casualties, saying: "The president [Afghan president Hamid Karzai] rightly expressed his concerns about civilian casualty. And I assured him that we share those concerns."

But 2008 has seen little improvement. According to the New York Times, of the 1,445 civilians killed in Afghanistan so far this year, "slightly more than half" are attributed to insurgents. On September 17, Defense Secretary Robert Gates apologized for civilian casualties, explaining that "while no military has ever done more to prevent civilian casualties, it is clear that we have to work even harder." That same day, Gen. David D. McKiernan, the senior U.S. military commander in Afghanistan, told reporters that increased reliance upon air power was to blame for the rise in civilian casualties.

Was Obama "dishonorable" to say what he did? That's pretty strong language.
We note that the Obama campaign routinely describes McCain's campaign as "dishonorable," for running ads like this one. We'll leave it to readers to sort out who's honorable and who's not. The way candidates loosely throw around such emotionally loaded terms, however, sometimes reminds us of Lewis Carroll's Humpty Dumpty, who tells Alice, "When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less."

Risky?
The McCain ad goes on say that "congressional liberals voted repeatedly to cut off funding for our active troops." It concludes: "Obama and congressional liberals: Too risky for America."

The McCain-Palin campaign sent reporters a set of "ad facts" to back up its claims. Those "facts" list five different votes that supposedly "cut off funding for the troops in combat." Actually, they all were votes in favor of bringing the troops home and ending combat.

The votes in question (
S. Amdt. 3875, S.Amdt. 3164, S.Amdt. 2924, S.Amdt. 1098 and H.R. 2237) all set a deadline for completing the withdrawal of troops from Iraq. The legislation also stipulated that funding for the Iraq war would end after a specified period for withdrawal (with exceptions made for "targeted operations" aimed at al Qaeda, security for Americans remaining in Iraq, training of Iraqi Security Forces, and, in all but one version, "training, equipment, or other material to members of the United States Armed Forces to ensure, maintain, or improve their safety and security").

The ad claims that these votes would have been "increasing the risk on their lives," but in fact they were actually votes for winding down the Iraq war. Funding for active duty combat troops in Iraq would have been cut off only if the president failed to comply. It's also worth noting that Obama wasn't present for two of these votes, and one was a House vote.

The McCain campaign's "ad facts" also point to a single troop-funding bill that Obama voted against in 2007. As we've written before, Obama first voted for a version of the bill that included a timetable for withdrawal. President Bush vetoed the bill. Obama then voted against a version that did not contain withdrawal language. And for the record, McCain himself voted against the troop-funding bill when it contained withdrawal language.
 

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i understand when the radical groups throw blatant dishonest crap out but when the guy who swore he would not do negative dishonest campaigning does it there is no way he could get my vote.

if you vote for a guy like this you are an idiot. not saying you should vote for barack but mccain is the definition of saying whatever he has to to get elected.
 

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i understand when the radical groups throw blatant dishonest crap out but when the guy who swore he would not do negative dishonest campaigning does it there is no way he could get my vote.

if you vote for a guy like this you are an idiot. not saying you should vote for barack but mccain is the definition of saying whatever he has to to get elected.
And Obama won't say anything to get elected??:missingte:missingte:missingte
 

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desperate times...

mcpalin...rofl. what a ticket. a crazy old man and a crazy young woman.
 

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desperate times...

mcpalin...rofl. what a ticket. a crazy old man and a crazy young woman.

LOL, a senile geriatric who's counting his time left on earth and a retarded newbie who thinks man walked the earth with dinosaurs. Even Hollywood couldn't write this!

:lol:
 

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yeah, just saw the ad, and it's really sad, yet it's predictable.

RNC is about the lowest form of slime there is, so why should anyone be surprised if the ads reflect their basic lack of morality.
 
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yeah, just saw the ad, and it's really sad, yet it's predictable.

RNC is about the lowest form of slime there is, so why should anyone be surprised if the ads reflect their basic lack of morality.

Lowest form of slime = Barney Frank. :)
 

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Ok, in all seriousness this is where the American public was expecting the election to be for a lonnnnng time. An Obama landlslide. The only thing is it's just getting here now. Remember, the Republican name sucks. There's a 12% approval rating as far as the direction of the country. The Economy (not character or latest gossip) is the lazer like focus of the country.

Now the election is opening up the way we all thought it would. Obama with a gigantic lead and momentum, and McCain going with mud to stop the bleeding. Thats politics 101.
 

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LOL, a senile geriatric who's counting his time left on earth and a retarded newbie who thinks man walked the earth with dinosaurs. Even Hollywood couldn't write this!

:lol:

This is a post with which very few of us could take issue

d1g1t
 

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Of course its edited you don't want to watch the whole debate do you? Fact is he was for no tax increases and then was for tax increases. I don't really care about his website its all talking points...same thing as McCain's site.
 

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this goes to show how little you know about Obama. if you wanted to be informed you could be with a little bit of leg work.

but you don't wanna be. you wanna be spoon fed so you will eat what you are given which is misinformation.

join the ranks.
 

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I know what he has promised. I also know what he has said. For you to say nah he didn't really mean that or he didn't really say that is not being truthful. I don't think its the govt. responsibility to legislate 'fairness'. Also, I would say doing the leg work isn't going to his website, yet finding info that he says that contradicts what he is putting forth. Same thing for McCain.
 

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I know what he has promised. I also know what he has said. For you to say nah he didn't really mean that or he didn't really say that is not being truthful. I don't think its the govt. responsibility to legislate 'fairness'. Also, I would say doing the leg work isn't going to his website, yet finding info that he says that contradicts what he is putting forth. Same thing for McCain.

like i said you choose to remain ignorant and just take what is spoon fed. some of us do our leg work and find out what these guys plan to do... no point in paying any more attention to you till you educate yourself. sadly you still get to vote whether you remain ignorant or not.
 

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So anyone who points out something you dont' agree with is ignorant? I got ya, just trying to figure out the rules. For the last time, I've gone to his website, I've looked at what he proposes. I've also looked around and paid attention to what BOTH CANDIDATES have put forth that doesn't match up to previous promises. If that makes me ignorant so be it.
 

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