Massachusetts Police balk at ticketing marijuana offenders

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Massachusetts officially decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana yesterday, but many police departments across the state were essentially ignoring the voter-passed law, saying they would not even bother to ticket people they see smoking marijuana.

"We're just basically not enforcing it right now," said Mark R. Laverdure, chief of police in Clinton, a Central Massachusetts town of about 8,000 residents, who said the law was so poorly written that it cannot be enforced. "You'll probably have a lot of officers that, unless there's a caller complaining about it, won't even bother with it. They probably handled a lot of it informally before and probably more so now."

Andrew J. Sluckis Jr., chief of police in Auburn, said his 39 officers would not be issuing $100 citations for possession of an ounce or less of marijuana, as required under the ballot initiative known as Question 2.
"If the Legislature enacts some changes, we'll be happy to do it in the future, but as it stands now we're not going to be issuing civil citations," he said. If an officer spots someone smoking marijuana, he said, "We will confiscate it and the person will be sent on their way."

"It is frustrating," he added, "because we have to deal with a law that is almost non-enforceable at best."

John M. Collins, general counsel for the Massachusetts Chiefs of Police Association, said he had been fielding calls from dozens of members across the state who believe the law is so flawed that it is "going to become a joke."

The ballot question passed in November with 65 percent of the vote. Backers said they were frustrated that possession of small amounts of marijuana in Massachusetts was a criminal offense, punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $500. Those convicted of possession could also receive a criminal record that could taint their job prospects for years, the backers said. Under the ballot measure that took effect yesterday, possession of an ounce or less is a civil violation, punishable by a $100 fine, with no risk of a criminal record.

Police say they have two main problems with the law.

Many complain that their current citation books lack a check-off box for marijuana possession and they have yet to receive updated ticket books, although temporary forms are available through a state website.

More fundamentally, they complain that officers have no way of determining the identity of people they stop on the street for smoking marijuana. Before the law was changed, officers could arrest them, or threaten them with arrest to force them to show identification. Now, they say they cannot force users to show IDs, and cannot arrest them if they refuse to identify themselves. And they say there is no penalty if a marijuana user gives a false name to a police officer.

"Many of them are saying that until the law gets straightened out, we're not going to let our people waste their time chasing their tails on this," Collins said.

But some police departments have resolved to enforce the law, despite their reservations. Boston and Worcester, for example, sent out training memos detailing the ins and outs of the law.

"We think we'll be able to adapt to it and proceed accordingly," said Elaine Driscoll, a spokeswoman for the Boston Police Department. "We don't anticipate issues."

Boston's training memo, however, calls the law "deficient," because of problems officers could face in trying to identify people they spot with marijuana. Officers have no authority to search for identification, but they do have a "reasonable amount" of time under the law to try to determine names through other means, for example, by checking the names users give in an FBI database, the memo says.

The memo instructs officers to use their existing ticket books and note marijuana possession under a list of "other" violations.

Some chiefs said they would use creative means to determine someone's identity. William R. Walsh, chief of police in Great Barrington, said his officers might snap a photo of the user and ask officers at the station if they recognize the face, or they might let a marijuana smoker go and try to spot the person again around town.

"Officers with initiative and experience can find out if somebody is lying," said Sergeant Kerry F. Hazelhurst of the Worcester Police Department, who said his officers were ready to enforce the new law.

In Worcester, the officers were issued temporary tickets downloaded from the website of the state Executive Office of Public Safety and Security.
Like officers in Worcester and Boston, Daniel Rosa, chief of police in Billerica, said that despite the problems, "We're training our officers on it, and we will be enforcing it."

Police chiefs strongly opposed the ballot measure, which they predicted would encourage marijuana use. Judging by the chiefs' complaints now, "it seems that they never stopped campaigning against this, even though the law passed on Nov. 4th," said Dan Bernath, a spokesman for Marijuana Policy Project, a Washington, D.C. group that supported the ballot initiative.

"It's been surprising and disappointing to see the reaction of some folks in law enforcement since voters passed this," Bernath said. "It's a very simple and modest change and there's nothing new about having a civil violation process."

"I think what's really missing," he said, "is the willingness to enforce it."
Gregory I. Massing, general counsel for the Executive Office of Public Safety, said cities and towns can enact local ordinances that would criminalize marijuana smoking in public.

Meanwhile, the state is keeping a close eye on the law, he said.
"As we start to hear what the experience in the field is like," Massing said, "we'll carefully evaluate it and take whatever steps are necessary," to make the law work.

Michael Levenson Boston Globe Newspaper Company.
 

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It means here in mass we can smoke pot, not have to identify ourselves and most likely won't get a ticket for it. And definatly won't be arrested.

If you are smoking up, and the cops know about it. They will just say screw it and let you be.
 

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It means here in mass we can smoke pot, not have to identify ourselves and most likely won't get a ticket for it. And definatly won't be arrested.

If you are smoking up, and the cops know about it. They will just say screw it and let you be.

Clearly the end of civilized life as we know it

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Clearly the end of civilized life as we know it

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Just wish I knew where to get some. At 35 I dont really mingle like in my 20's. Wouldnt mind having a tiny bit to hit every now and then. Good for listening to music, sleeping and relaxing.
 

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Common and legal activity in Worcester Mass..

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This is not enough. The cops should also be required to provide potsmokers with munchies!
 

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Not sure on the exact law. I just graduated from UMass and of course people had all different angles of how to interpret the law. From what I gathered, I heard the first offense is a 100 dollar fine(or nothing in this article), but the second offense can get you arrested. Anyone WICKED familiar with this law? LOL.
 

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Is there no general law in America that allows police to establish the identity of someone caught doing something illegal? If not, this is really strange. There should be no need to put this clause into every law.
 

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The USA is made up of 50 states. They all have different laws.


Is there no general law in America that allows police to establish the identity of someone caught doing something illegal? If not, this is really strange. There should be no need to put this clause into every law.
 

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Not sure on the exact law. I just graduated from UMass and of course people had all different angles of how to interpret the law. From what I gathered, I heard the first offense is a 100 dollar fine(or nothing in this article), but the second offense can get you arrested. Anyone WICKED familiar with this law? LOL.


Not so. All offenses are treated as civil citations and fines.
 

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Is there no general law in America that allows police to establish the identity of someone caught doing something illegal? If not, this is really strange. There should be no need to put this clause into every law.

Americans are not required to show identification to a police officer unless operating a motor vehicle or engaged in any other activity that legally requires licensing.

Since police are not making a criminal arrest (within the context of this Topic), there is also no need to firmly establish identity out of concern that the wrong person is being criminally charged.
 

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