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Does last night's game knock him out of the Heisman race? Losing at home as a 3-td+ fav. His numbers on the box score was pedestrian for him. I didn't watch the game, just going off headlines this AM. Arizona D isn't a steel curtain.

Just discussion.....Note to Oregon fans, this is not a slam post on the program so don't take it that way.
 

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It was worse than the box stats - I believe he's done, the talent around him is no longer thier
 

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Albro, there's a lot of football left to play and obviously the team that was wearing black uniforms with pink numbers and letters isn't the same team that looked sharp beating MSU in W2. Just the same, I wasn't expecting them to digress. I expected just the opposite. Now there's no more elbow room left to fart around with. At least the team that beat them wasn't practically an unkknown this time around. Zona with that ace QB of theirs is an undefeated 5-0 team (hail Mary and all.)

All in all, Oregon's prognosis just took a major hit because nothing short of going undefeated the rest of the way will result in a shot at a final 4 playoff berth. As a matter of fact, I would give them 2nd best shot at making the playoffs next to Stanford in spite of Stanford's loss to USC. USC's loss to BC was too gross to live with despite beating the Cardinal in Palo Alto recently. But an undefeated USC the rest of the way adds to Stanford's chances more than their own. It all boils down to the best team with the toughest SOS and also the best team with respect to who lost to who. As far as Zona goes, their SOS and regular conference record will help Oregon if the Devils manage to keep it together. Of course everything has to do with Stanford winning the Pac-12 title game instead of Oregon.

I think Oregon will lose at least one more game and very possibly two so this conversation will probably amount to little or nothing pretty soon. However if some way, some how Oregon manages to get their OL healthy again and goes on to play undefeated the rest of the way, including beating USC or Zona and UCLA (twice) including the Pac-12 CCG, there is hope, but it's not likely to see that happen.

With the Duck fortunes, so goes Mariota and his Heisman chances. When Mariota's game is on, the Ducks don't lose. They need to get over the loss right now and get healed up well enough to beat the big guys. UCLA and Stanford remain as they always were Oregon's two major obstacles if they are going to make a case for themselves. UW I don't think will be a problem like Stanford or UCLA, but they need to sweep all 3 to have any shot at making the final 4.

Mariota's Heisman chances are tied into these 3 games as well because as I said, as Mariota goes, so do the Ducks. Fumbling the ball away with 2 minutes left in the game to end any chance of Oregon winning the game (even with a hail Mary) Thursday probably did more harm than him having pedestrian numbers in the game. It would take Mariota playing lights out football between now and the last day of the season with Oregon going undefeated is likely the only possible way he could still win the Heisman.
 

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Conan,

i agree. They are in the same boat as UGA right now. Win out and your in....so nothing really has changed since the first game of the season. From an outsider looking in, it seems that the Duck program peaked 2 years ago. That then makes me look at the team. Talent is there. Money is there. Recruiting is there. Coaching.....hmm. As a friendly comment, you don't want Helfrich turning into another Mark Richt.,...my how these programs are becoming similar.

Mariota......case of the knowing he is the college best or top 3. Having too much fun off the field? The Mariota I know when healthy doesnt get sacked like the stats say.....shitty Oline or not. My opinion he could have pulled away last night, but he still has Stanford to show out on.
 

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Mariota is still the best player in college football and will be the first player taken in the draft... But , with that atrocious O line, not a QB on this planet is going to be able to avoid the sacks , hurries, and the enevitable beating he is going to get the rest of the season... the O line has cost Mariota the Heisman and the chance at the 4 team playoff. Even with his mobility & quick release he is still a sitting DUCK...If the injuries were spread around evenly instead of one position, we would have a chance..No team could overcome these protection issues
 

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I may be crazy but I would not feel good taking this kid #1 overall. I think he'll be a bust. Feel free to bump this and laugh at me 5 years from now when he's an all pro.
 

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Mariota is still the best player in college football and will be the first player taken in the draft... But , with that atrocious O line, not a QB on this planet is going to be able to avoid the sacks , hurries, and the enevitable beating he is going to get the rest of the season... the O line has cost Mariota the Heisman and the chance at the 4 team playoff. Even with his mobility & quick release he is still a sitting DUCK...If the injuries were spread around evenly instead of one position, we would have a chance..No team could overcome these protection issues

Come On Man!!! Really RE, first in the draft??? Let me ask ya something.....when was Russell Wilson taken? No need to answer that, I already know. THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT MARIOTA GOES FIRST IN THE DRAFT! To be frank about it, I'm willing to lay some lumber he's not in the first 10.

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He is a system qb! If you can't see that you don't football. Anytime he's played a defense that could stop the run and get some pressure on him he's been terrible!
 

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agree with ThaDude. he will go to a bad team also so that doesn't help. best thing the jaguars or raiders could do is trade the #1 pick....but can't count on them for that.

and as far as Heisman goes he has zero chance. even if they won last night i'd doubt it just b/c the chances of them not losing to UCLA,wash,or stanford are very slim with the way that O-line looks..Red-eye pretty much nailed that one.
 

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Well, that was a beautiful fumble by Mariota with the game on the line. So I have my doubts about any Heisman for him. But I believe he does still go first in the draft. Second at worst unless he gets hurt between now and then behind that putrid offensive line.
 

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Gurley wins in a landslide, mark it.

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AND, goes first in the draft.
 

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He'll be drafted pretty high. Perfect season to come out because there really is not a great crop of qbs coming out this year. He does still have 15 tds and 0 ints. Which is pretty impressive.
 

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Come On Man!!! Really RE, first in the draft??? Let me ask ya something.....when was Russell Wilson taken? No need to answer that, I already know. THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT MARIOTA GOES FIRST IN THE DRAFT! To be frank about it, I'm willing to lay some lumber he's not in the first 10.

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Well, draft guys say different...... which mod holds the money ? any amount I will match he's a top 10 pick.....back your post !
 

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Well, draft guys say different...... which mod holds the money ? any amount I will match he's a top 10 pick.....back your post !

I'm here, rambunctious as ever. Let me look over the NFL "needs" and get back on that. If you want to wager on the No. 1 spot, I'm in right now.

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Got several offshore accounts, I could talk to any of them to "hold" the money. You tell me on that.
 

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With the new playoff system its tough to eliminate any team with just 1 Loss, especially teams from the SEC or Pac-12 as most agree those are the two best conferences out there (great conference depth)
 

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Conan,

i agree. They are in the same boat as UGA right now. Win out and your in....so nothing really has changed since the first game of the season. From an outsider looking in, it seems that the Duck program peaked 2 years ago. That then makes me look at the team. Talent is there. Money is there. Recruiting is there. Coaching.....hmm. As a friendly comment, you don't want Helfrich turning into another Mark Richt.,...my how these programs are becoming similar.

Mariota......case of the knowing he is the college best or top 3. Having too much fun off the field? The Mariota I know when healthy doesnt get sacked like the stats say.....shitty Oline or not. My opinion he could have pulled away last night, but he still has Stanford to show out on.

Well I warned you and everyone here about RR's background and superior knowledge of the spread option. On the other hand, the sisters of St. Mary's could have stopped Oregon with what's left of their OL. Aside from that, I am VERY VERY disappointed with Oregon's defense vs the run lately. WSU had no business racking up ground yards vs. the Ducks last week. Give Conner Halliday some play action to bolster his already impressive passing game without adding more playbook to his repertoire of plays. Just for the hell of it, put an able bodied rookie in there with the smarts and arm of a guy like Anu Soloman and terrible things are not only possible but vicious.

But all in all, you gotta hand it to Rich Rodriguez for twice taking it to Oregon and changing the course of the game. I suspect that he also changed the course of the Willamette River through Eugene. That brings up the question of who won the coaching battle last night? Stupid question... scratch it.

But beyond everything else, the most impacting of all things stupid was the excessive celebration penalty resulting in new life and a first down for the Cats after a 3rd down stop by the Ducks. What strikes me about that penalty is WTF are the Ducks celebrating a 3rd down stop for anyway? Was it going that poorly for their secondary to warrant a celebration to start with? Well the answer to that question, celebration or no celebration, the answer is yes, it was going that poorly. But out of all that bad defense I witnessed last night, I think the whole defense should redo tackling 101 and it should be a mandatory requirement. The Ducks are coming apart at the seams and that was never expected. You know who alone is responsible. Helfrich may be a genius but a lot has to do with how he says something than what is said. I just don't sense the same level of excitement and camaraderie on the Duck team among the players compared to what I have seen in the past.
 

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I'm here, rambunctious as ever. Let me look over the NFL "needs" and get back on that. If you want to wager on the No. 1 spot, I'm in right now.

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Got several offshore accounts, I could talk to any of them to "hold" the money. You tell me on that.

You said top 10 ! #1 overall is still very possible but depends on teams needs & if they already have a future qb
 

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With the new playoff system its tough to eliminate any team with just 1 Loss, especially teams from the SEC or Pac-12 as most agree those are the two best conferences out there (great conference depth)

Don't take this personal, we're all men here.....but that's HORSESHIT! Really??? IMHO, Baylor could be the best in the land, ranked top 5 in everything right now. Who the hell is the Pac-12. I give the SEC their due because I'm from that conference, but the Pac-12, REALLY? I can't wait until bowl season to set some records straight.

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Conan, I think the loss of Armstad in 1st half really hurt....defense was adequate until he left..RR took advantage of that opportunity on that side of the D line
 

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You said top 10 ! #1 overall is still very possible but depends on teams needs & if they already have a future qb

No. 1 couldn't happen if he was the second out of two players available. Let's play this, I say Gurley goes before Mariota. I have one word for you and I'm done.......Harrington.

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