Marc Lewis - This Neuroscientist Argues That Addiction Is Not a Disease and Rehab Is Bullshit

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Your new book, The Biology of Desire: Why Addiction Is Not a Disease, eponymously puts forward that addiction is not a disease, and calling it such gets in the way of proper treatment.
Firstly, defining addicts as patients makes them passive. It makes them fatalistic and it makes them pessimistic. If you're told you have a chronic brain disease that causes you to do all this nasty shit, you don't think you'll ever get free of it. But, in fact, most addicts do recover and the statistics are very clear on that, whether they're soft drugs or harder drugs like heroin. So, it's a chronic disease? Really?

While opiate and alcohol withdrawal can wreak physical havoc on addicts, you argue that addiction is purely behavioral rather than physiological, like, say cancer is?

That's another discrepancy. You have substance addiction on one hand, and behavioral on the other: gambling, sex addiction, porn addiction, a number of eating disorders, internet gaming. The cool thing is when you do brain scans, you get the same neural activation patterns in behavioral addictions as you do in substance addictions. That should be enough to knock out the disease model. If addiction is a disease, then people who spend 12 hours a day playing video games are suffering the same way people who are addicted to heroin do.What all these patterns have in common is they involve deep learning—a set of assumptions of what you need to get through the day; that learning gets entrenched through repetition and you're addicted, but there's nothing disease-like about it. People recover from all addictions, which means it's all about neural plasticity. It's not that you go back to where you were, because development never goes in reverse, it's that you learn skills that help you overcome your impulses and you learn new cognitive habits. All learning involves changes in synapses, which means creation and strengthening of certain synapses, and the weakening or disappearance of synapses that aren't being used.
 

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I've been saying that for years
 

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I've been saying that for years

Hell then it must be true!!:):) One statement alone tells me he's FOS, "People recover from ALL adictions" NO they don't. You may control it, but you're still an addict for life, just not active. Not all have addictive personalities. The lucky ones can eat, drink, fuck, to their hearts content, and not become as it were "obsessed". The rest of US, no!! One drink away from disaster!! FOR LIFE!!!!!
 
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There is no doubt in my mind that addiction is not a disease. Anyone who wants to quit, can quit! If they can't, it is because they are a weak minded individual who simply does not really want to quit.

It is not possible for someone to like drinking more than me. I drank heavily for 15 years and it was the most important thing in my life for 6 years. I was drinking more than a gallon of Vodka per day, everyday. I went 3 years without consuming a single beverage that did not have booze in it. I enjoyed it so much that I would not make a vow to stop drinking if I won the lottery. Literally, I said I would not stop drinking for $10 million! God put me in a place where I thought I was going to die and I told him if he let me live, I would never drink again. That was the last pint of blood they put in me, I stopped bleeding and was out of the hospital 5 days later.

That was 2 years ago and I have not had a drink. Didn't need any bullshit AA or sponsors or none of that shit. I just put my mind to it and stopped.

I do wish that I would have just told God that I would stop drinking Vodka and not all booze, but it is what it is.
 

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I do wish that I would have just told God that I would stop drinking Vodka and not all booze, but it is what it is.

Renegotiate the deal. Just let God know your circumstance has changed that, namely, you're no longer wounded & bleeding to death, He'll understand. he deals with this type of thing frequently.
 

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I'm not downplaying addiction. It is a bad thing . I just think it's mislabeled when it's called a disease.
This does not in any way downplay it at all.

Addition is real and bad. It's just not a disease.
Its a character trait.
 
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There is no doubt in my mind that addiction is not a disease. Anyone who wants to quit, can quit! If they can't, it is because they are a weak minded individual who simply does not really want to quit.

It is not possible for someone to like drinking more than me. I drank heavily for 15 years and it was the most important thing in my life for 6 years. I was drinking more than a gallon of Vodka per day, everyday. I went 3 years without consuming a single beverage that did not have booze in it. I enjoyed it so much that I would not make a vow to stop drinking if I won the lottery. Literally, I said I would not stop drinking for $10 million! God put me in a place where I thought I was going to die and I told him if he let me live, I would never drink again. That was the last pint of blood they put in me, I stopped bleeding and was out of the hospital 5 days later.

That was 2 years ago and I have not had a drink. Didn't need any bullshit AA or sponsors or none of that shit. I just put my mind to it and stopped.

I do wish that I would have just told God that I would stop drinking Vodka and not all booze, but it is what it is.


What did you have? Intestinal bleeding? Did you end up having some scarring of the liver or enlarged spllen? Alcohol can effect about all of your internal organs which you prob. know.
 

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I'm not downplaying addiction. It is a bad thing . I just think it's mislabeled when it's called a disease.
This does not in any way downplay it at all.

Addition is real and bad. It's just not a disease.
Its a character trait.

I don't know...this "Lewis" guy seems like sort of a doofus like he's learned a few fancy words and phrarses and he's just trying to show them off like "neural activation patterns"... "neural plasticity",...."cognitive", "synapses",,"discrepancy" which he says, like, some of those words multiple times like synapses he says a whole bunch of times its obvious to me he's just trying to seduce women via writing a book, trying to make it look like he's smart...trying to impress his Mom. Look at his fist name "Marc" Mark is spelled M A R K not with a C what is he trying to pretend he's French too or something? This guy is really going all out here...with this charade.
 
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The only thing rehab is good for is too get you through the withdrawls and detox. Besides a feeling of being uncomfortable, anxiety, sweating, insomnia it can be lethal. Back in the day, I had a bad vicadin addiction as in spending over 1K a month to get them from online pharmacies. I decided to quit and basically just sat in my house for a couple days just staring at the TV not paying attention to what I was watching and of course, running to the bathroom 15 times a day. After 2-4 days, I was good. I have even tried taking a couple vicadin here and there. I'm talking 1 or 2 pills a year and it must have fried my receptors so bad, I don't even feel a thing if I take one.
 
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What did you have? Intestinal bleeding? Did you end up having some scarring of the liver or enlarged spllen? Alcohol can effect about all of your internal organs which you prob. know.

It was an upper GI bleed, but my situation is a little strange due to the fact that I had a Gastro bypass in 2003. Basically, my "2 stomachs" developed a hole between then. I had/have and abdominal hernia from the incision and because I am an idiot, I have not had it taken care of. It was quite painful, so I was taking 15 or so ibuprofen/aleves per day while drinking like fish and smoking like a chimney. Most likely the NSAIDs caused the bleeding just as much or more than the alchohol. I was shitting and vomiting blood for about a week and finally went to the hospital when I got so weak that I could not get out of bed without almost passing out. I got 27 pints of blood in 6 days. I was laying in the hospital bed and they had to put in an emergency port in my groin. I don't know if I close to dying or not, but it scared me so bad, that I made the promise to God.

Thankfully, I never had high blood pressure or elevate liver counts even while living life like a moron.
 
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Renegotiate the deal. Just let God know your circumstance has changed that, namely, you're no longer wounded & bleeding to death, He'll understand. he deals with this type of thing frequently.

I have actually considered that. Because I am such an out of shape fat fuck, I am thinking about making a deal with God that will look something like, if I get down under 200lbs, I can become a social drinker. I will never allow myself to go anywhere close to the extreme I once was.
 
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The only thing rehab is good for is too get you through the withdrawls and detox. Besides a feeling of being uncomfortable, anxiety, sweating, insomnia it can be lethal. Back in the day, I had a bad vicadin addiction as in spending over 1K a month to get them from online pharmacies. I decided to quit and basically just sat in my house for a couple days just staring at the TV not paying attention to what I was watching and of course, running to the bathroom 15 times a day. After 2-4 days, I was good. I have even tried taking a couple vicadin here and there. I'm talking 1 or 2 pills a year and it must have fried my receptors so bad, I don't even feel a thing if I take one.

Good on you for quitting. I used to be bad with pain killers also at the height of my drinking in 2008 or so. I quit those when I moved and no longer had any connections. In Florida, they destroyed many a weak minded individuals life's! I have friends who have died and a couple that are still in jail from pain killers!
 

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If you go to AA you have the same exact chance of quitting as if you don't attend - the percent of recidivism statistically identical - if you don't want to quit you won't - programs probably help as long as u urself are committed to changing
 

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If you go to AA you have the same exact chance of quitting as if you don't attend - the percent of recidivism statistically identical - if you don't want to quit you won't - programs probably help as long as u urself are committed to changing

Good post & quite true.
 

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I said this I think last year here. Addiction and disease are 2 different things.
 
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The thing about calling it a disease is then what do you call cancer? A disease is when shit happens that really is out of your control. Addiction is knowing willfully you are destroying your body and you keep doing it. That's why some Dr's really don't even try or care to help an alcoholic or a chain smoker. When I was in medical sales, this 85 yr old woman. I was reading her chart and it said she has been smoking 5 packs of cigarettes a day for 50 years.
 

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Hell then it must be true!!:):) One statement alone tells me he's FOS, "People recover from ALL adictions" NO they don't. You may control it, but you're still an addict for life, just not active. Not all have addictive personalities. The lucky ones can eat, drink, fuck, to their hearts content, and not become as it were "obsessed". The rest of US, no!! One drink away from disaster!! FOR LIFE!!!!!

Your personal decision to label yourself is something I would never attempt to talk you out of.

But my own experience as a former alcoholic and chronic abuser of cocaine and amphetamines - combined with a subsequent 10 years working with recovering substance abusers demonstrates that in fact, countless numbers of people w such behavior issues put such actions behind them permanently.

Since the beginning of humankind, people have created reasons (excuses) to explain their free-will behavior choices. In the metaphorical myth of Adam & Eve, he blamed her and she blamed "the serpent".

Laying off your personal free will choices to an ancestor or to a supposed 'genetic code' is certainly quite popular in recent history, so you are absolutely not unusual in your personal belief.

Literally millions of others have come to learn a different experience founded in accepting 100% responsibility for each and every personal thought or action. Such an acknowledgement was the driving impetus to help us then realize that we could exercise that very same personal responsibility and create any fresh pattern of thinking and behavior we might wish for.

If blaming something or someone outside yourself for your personal thoughts & actions provides you relief from painful outcomes, bravo! Just understand there is a shorter and much more empowering path that many take in their quest for a better life.
 

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I'm not downplaying addiction. It is a bad thing . I just think it's mislabeled when it's called a disease.
This does not in any way downplay it at all.

Addition is real and bad. It's just not a disease.
Its a character trait.

Well stated. My primary mentors in recovery helped me understand it is a symptom of spiritual deficiency. There are ways to heal such deficits and when healed, the desire to engage in self-destructive thinking & behavior is gone.
 

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calling it a disease is once again people taking no responsibility for their own actions
 

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calling it a disease is once again people taking no responsibility for their own actions

+10000000

Its always someone/thing elses fault
 

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