LSU (Pete) - 18.5 Vs. Oregon State (WC Bias)

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If there was ever a week where this forum could be useful for everyone, this is it. Pete knows his team...I know mine, so Pete...if you don't mind sharing some insight.

There are a lot of factors to consider in this game, some of which do not even involve the players. Weather (humidity) and crowd (drunk) could be strong factors. OSU does not normally play or practice in extremely humid conditions. Weather.com says low 90's, chance of thunderstorms. I will say it been a hot summer in Corvallis, and god knows, OSU knows a bit about rainy weather....but not hot rainy weather. Oregon State's ATS record the past five years as road dogs is 11-4.

Oregon State also does not regularly play in this sort of atmosphere; although the annual civil war is close, but with 30,000 fewer drunks. The Pac 10 simply does not have this atmosphere (level of enthusiasm). This crowd WILL cause several OSU penalties, confusion, and quite possibly an interception, as OSU QB Derrek Anderson is easily rattled.

That said, let's get to the X's and O's...at least from the OSU side.

OFFENSE:

OSU averaged 33 points per game last year and was ranked in the top 10 in several offensive categories. Lots of question marks after losing all-world running back Steven Jackson, two starting wide-outs and TE, and several offensive linemen.

Returning is 4,000 passing yard QB Derek Anderson for his senior go. This guy has got serious skills. He's also got a real bad habit of throwing interceptions, most of which are his doing from bad decision making. My Corvallis brethren like to think DA a 1st round pick, and he has that kind of potential, but he has to reduce the pics and increase the completion percentage (50%).

The new skill position players are mostly untested, but several have seen considerable playing time. Walk-on receiver Mike Hass returns after a 1,000 yard year, but now that he is the featured receiver, will see lots of double coverage. It will be up to a new receiver to step up, hopefully neither of the returning seniors that have contributed nothing but dropped passes that past few years. Word is that the receiving lot is deep with raw talent, but how that translates into actual games remains to be seen.

Expect little drop off at TE. OSU lost one TE to the NFL last year and will be replacing him with another, Joe Newton.

At running back it is hard to lose a guy like Steven Jackson. OSU's projected starter is Dwight Wright, a diminutive but evasive runner. But there are a couple of young studs pursuing the starting job and while there certainly will be a drop-off, this group will produce.

The key to the offense is the line. Here we have two returning starters, with several experienced back-ups stepping up. There is potential in this group, potential to be good and potential to be real inept, as they were often last year. Going up against a big, fast, experienced D-Line like LSU, the big fellas up front better have their shit together from the get-go if OSU does not want to lose by 30 points.

DEFENSE:

The Beavers are solid on D, returning seven starters, two potential All-Americans, and an extremely strong back seven.

The D line is a huge question mark. It is anchored by returning DT Ben Siegert and DE Bill Swancutt. Both are solid, especially Swancutt, but I expect the linebackers will be making a lot of tackles in this game.

OSU has become a linebacker manufacturing machine the past three years, and this year’s group has lots of potential. Two returning starters will have to step up to fill the hole left by Richard Siegler, but there is not expected to be a lot of drop-off here.

The secondary is the strength of the defense, anchored by one of the best corners in the country, Brandon Browner. There is lots of experience in the back four, with solid back-ups.

SPECIAL TEAMS:

OSU has a new kicker and punter. The punter was a highly touted JC transfer, the kicker is some guy off the street who used to play soccer at a 2A school (joking).

COACHING:

Mike Riley is a great guy. Fantastic guy. Wonderful guy. Horrible coach. No, that is not true, he is not a horrible coach, he just CAN be a horrible coach. As a football fan his demeanor takes some getting used to…they guy just doesn’t get pissed off (as would be expected from a Division I coach).

I would never want Mike Riley to be my coach if it were the 4th quarter of an important game and OSU holding a 3 point lead in a game they should win. However, I love him as the coach in this situation, because no one expects OSU to win at LSU, and here is where Mike Riley excels. He did it when he took over the OSU program in the 90’s, and he’s got a great shot here. But I still wish he was the head coach at Alabama.


CONCLUSION:

I’ll tell you now I already have money on OSU….Mostly because LSU has a lot of new faces and I think they will need a few games to gel. LSU is used to playing PATSY U in non-conference games, but here they face a challenge. OSU will score and the opportunity for a back-door is huge. I’ll give my final prediction after hearing from Pete.
 

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I agree with you on OSU, very good defense last year with a good number of returners. Not to say that LSUs defense isnt better but not worth 18 points.

Both teams averaged 33 point last year with LSU taking the edge on Defense with only 11.31 points allowed last year compared to OSU's 24.5. Those numbers are little misleading as OSU only allowed 280 ypg while LSU was slightly better at 255 ypg. BOth teams allowed very little on the ground with 66% of yards against them came in the air. WIth that said I think both teams will be relying on the pass to move the ball.

OSU average 330 yards in the air last year compared to LSUs 226. LSU averaged 189 yards on the ground last year compared to OSUs 128 yards.
WIth a Senior QB for OSU and a new QB for LSU, and with both having trouble running the ball, Im gonna have to give a slight offensive edge to OSU.

With that said, if OSU's QB can avoid INTs and play good on special teams, the game should be pretty even. But tHats a big IF with LSU's salty D.

I see a low scoring affair with the best defense winning the game by a TD.

LSU 24- OSU 17
 

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Alrighty then......

I have absolutely NO inside information on Oregon State, but I think I manage some on the Tigers.

Defense:

Yes, the Tigers lost a few key players from last year, but they will be replaced with players of equal caliber....trust me. This year's defense will be better than last year's defense...that is no "homer" exageration. We have two lock-down corners and two safeties that try to put ball carriers in the cemetery...not the hospital. Our defensive line is two deep at every position, and our linebackers are very, very fast. Oregon State will not score more than 10 points on the LSU starters.

Offense:

The strength lies in the line and the running backs....everyone will realize why soon enough. We also have some extremely talented receivers, but they have zero game experience, so they will not be expected to carry the load. The main problem is that the coaching staff is not confident in the starting QB. This is not speculation on my part. However, he is a fifth year senior with huge athletic talent, who has paid his dues. The staff is going to scheme easy things for him and tell him to let other players win the game.....basically stay out of the way. This is not the type game plan that lends itself to blow-out wins. I believe that LSU will pound the crap out of OSU on the ground and wear their asses out in the south Louisiana heat.

Side note; I don't care where the Beavers have been practicing, it won't prepare them for Death Valley in late August.....they will melt.

So, my prediction is that Oregon state will score some points and LSU plays it safe. I expect the Tigers to have a small lead at the half, and pull away in the fourth quarter.

LSU 21-10
 

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at first glance I agree to many points in this one.oregon state should be within two td's the entire game.
 

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Excellent write-ups, guys. Excellent thread. I enjoyed the read, as well as the insight.

Seems that we are all in agreement about the game. Seems to be in the same range as the USC/VT game -- underdog and under. Now if Oregon St were only the home team...
 

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has anyone seen a point total for this game yet? i am thinking it will be fairly low (around 44-46 points). if my handicapping of the total is correct, i would LOVE the under. Iexpect this Tigers to pound the ball on the ground 45+ times, milk the clock for the better part of the 2nd half, and simply wear out the OSU defense. i think Webster, Landry, and both the Daniels' will blanket the Beaver passing game.
Tigers win 27-10
 

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Okay, I spent some time on the phone this evening, trying to evaluate the OSU team. This is what I came up with....

Last year, Oregon State allowed 16 first downs a game, 84 yards rushing per game, only 2.5 yards per carry, 204 yards per game passing, and allowed their opponents to complete 44.1 percent of their passes.

The LSU Tigers defense allowed 14 first downs per game, 67 rushing yards oer game, only 2.3 yards per carry, 185 yards passing per game, and allowed their opponents to complete 44.7 percent of their passes.

The stats for the two teams are relatively comparable, to be honest.

Now, the interesting thing is that, despite the equivalent stats, LSU's defense only gave up 11.0 points per game while OSU's gave up 23 points per game, but that discrepancy is primarily attributable to turnovers and the resultant short fields. LSU was +5 for the season in turnovers while OSU was a deplorable -8 for the season.

Looking at things objectively, if OSU can limit their turnovers and/or force turnovers from LSU, they can be a very formidable defense and a very dangerous opponent. Their entire defense, like the Tigers', is fast. Even their line is built for speed. One of their DE's (Scales) runs a 4.47 while the other (Swancutt) runs in the 4.7 range. All of their LB's run right around a 4.5. Their strong safety runs a 4.43 (4.36 according to one recent report) and their corners both run in the 4.5 range. Moreover, their entire secondary is large, over six feet (6-4, 6-0, 6-3, 6-3).

I am not entirely comfortable throwing a a new QB (Randall) and a brand new set of recievers (Slyler Green is questionable with an ankle sprain) out there against this team. LSU needs to limit turnovers without becoming predictable or overly conservative. The defense needs to play well for us and help our offense out, especially early in the game.

In any event, I don't see the Tigers being able to build a three TD lead AND maintain it.

I was overjoyed to find LSU as a 19 point favorite at Canbet.....and I layed a large number on the Beavers.
 

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OSU Qb Anderson throws a lot of picks, he was 24-24 ratio last year.
 

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Great information, WC & LSU. You guys are probably right about OSU +points and the under. The game that comes to my mind is OSU vs. USC late last year. The Beavers managed to put up around 24 points (going from memory here) on the vaunted USC defense....but they got ROASTED for 50+ points by the USC offense and turnovers.

LSU likely will not score 50 points on anyone this year, and everyone knows about their defense. All of this leads toward agreement with the consensus--OSU offense should be good enough to score some points, but LSU will score a few more and keep the total low. OSU + the points and the under.
 

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Sklyer Green will not be playing for LSU.

This means the Tigers will have to replace him with an inexperienced player as a receiver AND ON PUNT RETURNS......that is trouble.
 

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GreaT info, guys.

Pete...are you planning on coming to the swamp this year? If the gators can somehow be 5-0 at that point I might try to go. I don't know if I could miss it.
 

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I'll be there.
 

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LSUpete,like u,i'm an avid LSU fan.how would you compare the ore st schdule and pac 10 defenses and offenses against the SEC,could that be a factor?????
 

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No, not comparable at all.

Most of the PAC 10 schools emphasize the offense, rather than defense. However, I am not knocking the PAC 10 at all. There are tons of great athletes out there......they just aren't as religous about their football as we are.

OSU opts for speed at their defensive front 7....similar to great defenses (LSU, Georgia, Miami, USC), but they are in no way prepared for the running game of ANY of the SEC schools. Sure they play some good teams like Oregon, USC and Washington......but that's not really the same as Auburn, Georgia and Florida.

My pick on Oregon State has nothing to do with their abilities. My money is on OSU because of my preception of LSU's abilities.
 

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