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and rightfully so...this is bullshit at it's finest..i always check to see if the prizes are still available,but a lot of the people that play these things do not have the internets or do not even know this goes on..

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/lottery.tickets/index.html?eref=rss_topstories



NEW YORK (CNN) -- When Scott Hoover bought a $5 scratch-off ticket in Virginia called "Beginner's Luck" last summer, he carefully studied the odds. Even though he figured his chances of winning were a long shot, he felt the odds were reasonable.

Hoover, a business professor at Washington and Lee University in Virginia, wasn't surprised when his tickets didn't bring him the $75,000 grand prize, but he was shocked to learn the top prize had been awarded before he bought the ticket.


"I felt duped into buying these things," Hoover said.
He discovered the Virginia State Lottery was continuing to sell tickets for games in which the top prizes were no longer available. Public records showed that someone had already won the top prize one month before Hoover played. He is now suing the state of Virginia for breach of contract.
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"It's one thing to say it's a long shot to win the $75,000, but it's another thing to say you have no shot to win it," said John Fishwick, Hoover's attorney.


Through a request filed under the Freedom of Information Act, Fishwick's firm was able to obtain records that showed the Virginia State Lottery sold $85 million in tickets for which no top prize was available. Fishwick says the state should pay $85 million in damages.

Paula Otto, executive director of the Virginia State Lottery, said the state's games are fair and the top prize money is actually a small percentage of the money given out to lottery players. Most of the players win through the second, third or fourth-place prizes, she said. Otto also said it's no longer possible in the state of Virginia to purchase tickets with no top prizes available.


"We absolutely have always been very open and honest with our players about the way our scratch tickets are distributed," Otto said. "Yes, there were times when there was a scratch game out there that might've said "zero" in terms of the number of top prizes, but our players knew that."
Otto would not comment on the lawsuit, but said she stands by the integrity of the games in Virginia and looks forward to vigorously defending them.


Virginia isn't the only state to sell tickets that have no top prizes available. USA Today estimates that about half of the 42 states that have lotteries were, as of early July, continuing to sell tickets after the top prizes are claimed. Lottery officials from some states say the practice is fair because lesser prizes are still available, and they say tickets and lottery Web sites make that clear.


In New Jersey, tickets for the "$1,000,000 Explosion" scratch-off game were still on sale last week, even though the million-dollar grand prize was already awarded.


Lottery ticket buyers outside a New Jersey convenience store were stunned to hear the news.
"Oh really? I didn't know that," one shopper told CNN. Another added, "That's just not right."



Dominick DeMarco, a spokesman with the New Jersey Lottery, said information about winning tickets and prizes is readily available on the lottery Web site and at retail outlets. However, officials are still looking for ways to improve on their procedures.
Still, Hoover hopes his lawsuit will alert lottery players in all states to be careful before they place their bets.
 

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Not a big fan of lotteries but I know in Florida and most states I have seen the cards always say that the top prize may not be available if it has already been awarded.
 
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Of course they don't tell you-if they did, they wouldn't sell any tickets after the bigees were won.

It's not like the 50% hold is enough-at least not when it's the gov't running the game.
 

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Hoover, a business professor at Washington and Lee University in Virginia

he carefully studied the odds.

he should put the following question on his next exam:

10 soldiers are asked to perform guard duty. They decide to draw straws to see which one of them takes the first shift. The soldiers have 10 identical straws, they alter one of the straws. The first soldier draws a straw and it happens to be the altered one. This soldier has the first shift. Question: How much money do the 9 remaining soldiers demand as payment in the lawsuit?
 

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I don't know why they should feel duped. Each game has a certain amount of tickets, and from those tickets there is a jackpot winner. What do they want them to do, hold out the big winner until almost all the tickets are sold? What a joke. If people don't understand the game, they shouldn't play.
 

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I see the guys point. They are advertising a prize they are not "able to reward/already awarded". And it isn't like the state runs out of money.

See if you let this go it becomes a "oh somebody won but we gave that money out already" and taking the state at their honor.
 

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Most lottery players are too fucking stupid to read the rules or look at the odds because if they did look at the odds they wouldn't be playing the lottery.

The average lottery player can't comprehend that when lotto (pick 6) went from 49 to 53 numbers the number of combinations when from just under 14 million to just under 24 million!

I went to the Florida lottery site and this is the caption under scratch games:

Prizes, including the top prizes, may be unavailable at time of ticket purchase due to prior sale or other causes occurring in the normal course of business. (emphasis added)
(http://www.flalottery.com/inet/games-scratchoffsMain.do)​

You can also look at each scratch game and they tell you the number of top prizes available.

I would bet that virtually every other state has the same sort of information.​
 

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Looks like Virginia changed their rules:

Retail Sales Have Ended
When a player presents a winning scratcher for the last remaining top prize in any game, the Lottery notifies retailers, within approximately one business day, to cease sales of the game

http://www.valottery.com/scratchers/remaining.asp
 

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We need Mr.Newlyweds opinion on this.
 

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about 10 years ago i called the new york state lottery office and wanted to know how many grand prize winners did they put in every batch of the scratch off ticket "win for life" a thousand bucks a week for life.
I spent 30 minutes on the phone being transferred to dept after dept, because nobody knew the answer. Finally when somebody was able to tell me, they said that they put one winner in every 15 million tickets printed up. That is truly disgusting. We are talking 10 years ago and that was only for a 1000 bucks a week for life, now we have scratch off tickets that you can win 5 millions bucks on, so am sure they print up even less winners. If people really werent such degenerates looking for a miracle win, they would realize that spending the 5 bucks on anything else is better then playing these tickets.
I also asked the person how many winners there had been on the pick 10 game and he replied 1 winner since the game started. You have no shot at winning that game. So then i asked him if nobody wins the prize every day, how come the jackpot never increases and he said it was base on amutual payout system like the racetrack, well then thats where i had his ass being the gambler i am, is aid well if thats the case the jackpot should go up everyday, just like the pick 6 does when nobody wins it. He started babbling at that point. The lottery is the biggest ripoff out there. Its nothing but a tax that states dont even have to force people to pay, they do it on their own.
Oh and the lotto, why staes dont change the payout structure is beyond me. There is no reason for first place to be mega millions and then drop off to almost nothing for the next lower prizes. Nobody needs to win 50 million. Spread that money down to the lower winners and i would bet lottery sales would increase, because people knowing they can win a bigger prize for getting 4 or 5 numbers would play more. You get 4 numbers now in the lotto or mega millions and it pays crap.
Well thats my 2 cents guys.:toast:
 

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