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Football season is here again, and that means betting season has arrived as well. Billions of dollars will be wagered, both legally and illegally, on football from now until the Super Bowl next February. But those gamblers who use online sports bookmaking services to place their bets might find their odds getting longer, as Congress moves to clamp down on Internet-based sports betting.

A bill sponsored by Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Arizona) would make it illegal for financial institutions to accept or process any payments involved in an Internet gambling business. Credit-card transactions, wire transfers, checks and electronic fund transfers to online sports bookmakers would be banned. The Kyl bill was approved by the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs committee earlier this summer, and now faces approval by the full Senate. A similar bill has already passed in the House.

"Congress is as close as it has ever been to enacting an outright ban on unscrupulous Internet casino operations," said Kyl. "Internet gambling is not a harmless diversion, but a growing danger that preys on young people, takes advantage of gambling addicts and encourages criminal activity."

The legal history of online sports bookmaking is a tangled and confusing one. While most online sports bookmakers have incorporated in the Caribbean or Central America, the majority of their customers, according to most studies, are in the United States. However, the Department of Justice has repeatedly stated that the Interstate Wire Act of 1961 prohibits online sports gambling.

The Wire Act states that the use of "a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest" is illegal. While the Wire Act can't be used to prosecute individual sports gamblers, it has been used to convict the operator of one of the more prominent sports bookmaking sites.

Jay Cohen was the founder of one of the first offshore sports betting sites, World Sports Exchange. In 1998, Cohen and 21 other bookmakers were charged with violations of the Wire Act. Some of the bookmakers pleaded guilty, while others remained outside the United States and thus safe from prosecution. Cohen chose to return to the United States to fight the case in court. He lost, and is completing a 21-month prison sentence -- ironically, in a federal prison in Las Vegas.

The Wire Act, and Cohen's successful prosecution under it, has turned many of the American operators of offshore sports books into exiles. But they were still able to stay in business. That is, until state and federal officials started to attempt to cut off the funds flowing to them.

This is exactly the intent of the Kyl bill -- to make it impossible to transfer money in any way to any site that allows gambling, whether it is sports bookmaking or casino-style gambling, which is not covered explicitly by the Wire Act. Congress hopes that by cutting off the flow of money to these sites, they will die a natural death.

In fact, even before the bill has been passed, credit-card companies such as Visa and MasterCard have prohibited their members from using their cards to transfer funds to gambling websites.

"The blocking of credit-card transactions has had quite an impact on the industry," said Mark Balestra of the River City Group, a firm that monitors the gambling industry. "Any company that takes bets from U.S. players has seen 70 percent of their customers getting their accounts declined by the credit-card companies."

Online gambling, both casino and sports betting, is still a gigantic business, but the slowdown due to credit denial has had an impact. Christiansen Capital Advisors estimates that worldwide online gaming revenues for 2004 will be $8.3 billion, about $400 million less than they had projected before credit-card companies cracked down. Additionally, a larger percentage of the worldwide revenue is expected to come from outside the United States.

Most sports book sites continue to operate, waiting to see what the final resolution of the pending bills will be. In fact, the Kyl bill might face a tough time in front of the full Senate. Unlike the bill passed in the House, the Kyl bill doesn't include wording that specifically exempts currently legal operations, such as off-track betting, from its provisions. By some readings of the Kyl bill, no state would be allowed to operate even intrastate online gambling -- a possibility that states such as Nevada have been examining.

As for Kyl, he's optimistic that his campaign to crack down on Internet gambling is nearing an end.

"We're very close to ending an activity that preys on children, is rife with fraud and aids money laundering by organized crime," said Kyl. "I will work to get the Senate to pass an Internet gambling ban as quickly as possible."

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I would like to challenge KYL to a debate on national television on this issue. He, like others in support of this bill, are quite frankly full of shit.
 

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Which senators are in opposition, and what is the likelyhood of the bill passing? Seems to me that if the probability of this thing passing is about 50/50, we should try to get a coalition going to sway some of those senators on the fence. We all know the bill is garbage, and I think with any decent lobying, we can convince a few people not to vote for this thing.
 

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"Internet gambling is not a harmless diversion, but a growing danger that preys on young people, takes advantage of gambling addicts and encourages criminal activity."

funny i can still use a credit card to buy smokes and a six-pack. come to think of it an assult rifle and car that tops out at 170mph and a black face mask with out anyone batting an eye. and being that i live in LA i can get a margarita at a drive through.
 

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wxman- Never seen you before here at the RX....Welcome and hope to see you around more.
 

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i forgot buy lottery tickets. play at casinos. bet on horses. buy and sell stocks based on speculation. talk on my cell phone while i drive not wearing a seatbelt listing to vulgar music.

these fukers try to legilate morality.
i think i do just fine making my own choices and don't need some tight ass preacher prick telling me what to do.

so Sen. Jon Kyle can sit back and take campain donations form all of the chemical, gun, tobacco companies and accounting firms that kill, poison, and steal from people. and he can get blow jobs from his interns and cheat on his wife or boyfriend. and i dont give a <shit>. just get off you sheltin pony and don't tell me what to do
 

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Thanks for the welcome, Strutt.

We all know the hypocrisy around this bill and many laws of our land, (this is all about the $$, and how our gov can't take it's cut) but that is not really what bothers me. What bothers me the most is that the very premise is to "make our lives safer" by making it harder for us to become degenerate gamblers. I would love to ask Kyl or any supporter of this bill to explain how this could possibly happen.

IMO, we are much less likely to get ourselves into trouble with online books for one simple reason- we can't bet what we don't have. This is the fundamental reason why so many of your local neighborhood bookies end up breaking legs at the end of each week- because the gambler bet too much, got in over his head, and tried to dig himself out by chasing his losses. The system is bound to failure for one simple reason- bookies essentially are giving 'credit lines' of thousands of dollars to people who would never even be approved for a Sears card.

If anything, the US should be PUSHING the online gaming industry... perhaps allowing states to allow books to set up sites based in their jurisdiction. Safe? Yep, no chance of being scammed by these guys. Money goes to the Gov't in the form of taxes, so they're happy. Degenerate gambling? Well, that will always be a problem with some, but I'll argue any day that gambling online (with money you have already allocated to use) is safer than taking a trip to a casino with a credit card in hand, and much safer than calling your local out with an open wallet and huge credit line.

In any case, I'll be damned if I have to go back to using a bookie.
 

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Kyl translation means = they ain't collecting taxes so it's got to be bad.
 

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I'll quit gambling if I have to go back to using a bookie.
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Once you bet on the net, you never wanna go back to dealing with someone who opens an hour before game time.
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This is a perhaps very elementary question but I'll ask it.

If I have a US bank account from which my money moves to a Canadian company and from there it moves offshore and hopefully that procedure is then reversed with my money back in my account, how then does the Kyl bill stop that type of transaction without going after the Canadian company.

Or to put it simply how will the Kyl bill phuck with Neteller?
 

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Mr. Jones,

I think we all want the answer to that question. How much pressure will the US put on Neteller. I have a feeling there is already pressure.
 

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Mr. Jones/General-

My guess is that most of the pressure would be on US financial instituions to stop doing business with companies like Neteller not necessarily Neteller itself. I've become concerned about this since I've read via other posts that you cannot use some credit cards at Neteller. This means that they have been flagged as a gambling related organization by credit cards companies. For a while I thought they would slip under the radar screen and be viewed as money transfer company that moves money for many types of businesses not just books. Clearly, the banks are not buying it and have said they move money primarily between players and gambling sites.

If you cannot use a Bank of America credit card with Neteller how soon will it be before you can no longer conduct EFTs between Neteller and a Bank of America checking account? It is worrisome.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by theswami:
Mr. Jones/General-

I've become concerned about this since I've read via other posts that you cannot use some credit cards at Neteller. This means that they have been flagged as a gambling related organization by credit cards companies. For a while I thought they would slip under the radar screen and be viewed as money transfer company that moves money for many types of businesses not just books. It is worrisome.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pre Paid ATM has many more uses than gambling, thus it continues to be a viable resource in this area..
 

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