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The following question was asked
What's better for a first half total if you want to play the under?
89 -128
or
88 -108

We can come up with an answer by making a couple of assumptions.
1. We do not have a strong feeling for u88 vs u89, ie we feel that the game will go u88.5 50% of the time and o88.5 50% of the time.
2. Assume that the game will land exactly 88 2% of the time and exactly 89 2% of the time (if you believe you can predict the percent of the time the game will land 88 and 89 differently just substitute your percentages in what follows).

If we bet u88-108 then, assuming a $108 bet our expectation is
(48% of the time we win, 2% of the time we push, 50% of the time we lose)
or we lay 108 and get back
.48*(100+108)+.02*108+.50*0=99.84+2.16+0=102 so we lose 6 dollars or on a percentage basis 6/108 or 5.55% of our original bet.

Now, if we bet $128 u89 then, similarly
(50% of the time we win, 2% of the time we push, 48% of the time we lose
or we lay 128 and get back
.50*(100+128)+.02*128+.48*0=114.00+2.56+0=116.56 so we lose 11.44 dollars or on a percentage basis 11/128 or 8.59% of our original bet.
Obviously the first bet is a much better choice.

Of course, if you really feel that the game is just as likely to land over 88.5 as under 88.5 you should not be making the bet. However the method above will help you compare the two bets objectively.
 

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quantumleap said:
Wong's book talks about the frequency of spreads being hit in the NFL. He talks about how much a half point is worth in that sport based upon those numbers.

I believe if the same study were done for the NBA in the last 10 years we would get a definitive answer on this topic. Perhaps that is a chapter in my next book.
In all modesty, yours trully has probably done more research on NBA line numbers than probably anybody you will find.

I have literally been middling/scalping the NBA for the last 20 years, and very heavy the last 8 years.

If you care to do a search on this topic, you will find much information on this subject that i have given to the forum.

This is not to take anything away from WONG, an author/gambler that I would recommend anybody to read his sportsbetting articles.

You may also visit his website at www.sharpsportsbetting.com , one in which i frequent on a daily basis.
 

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I've been saying this for years that the NUMBER 2 is the most important number in Hoops. Many sharpies believe it is right to pay the extra 10 cents to buy onto the 2, no matter what the total on the game is...

I am one who does it as well...

THE SHRINK
 

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Moved form Offshore forum to the NBA forum for those that dont frequent the main forum often and may have missed this valuable thread.

FISH
 

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Moon88 posted this last year all credit to him:

<<<<there are a few fellow posters that may find this interesting.

article I found:

I can hardly believe February is coming to an end already. Has it really been a month since the Super Bowl already? Well, that can only mean March Madness is just around the corner so it must be time to turn our attention to basketball. Readers and clients frequently ask me if there are any “key numbers” in basketball. Historically, the thinking has always sort of been that because of the nature of scoring in basketball that there aren’t any really important spreads. However, some bettors have felt that 4 and 5 could be considered key so I decided to follow up and see if there really are any key numbers in the NBA.

First, a little background. Key numbers are spreads (or totals) that are so likely to fall (have the final score be that exact result) that book managers do not like to move off them. In the NFL, there are several key spreads with 3 (17% of final scores) and 7 (10% of outcomes) being the major ones and 10, 4, 1, 6, 14 and 13 (4-7% each) being the minor ones. With these numbers, book managers prefer not to change the pointspread itself to balance action, but would instead rather change the associated moneyline from standard odds. For example, if the spread was –3 (at standard odds of –110 or risking $110 to win $100) and the book had heavy action on the favorite, the line would be moved to –3 (-115) instead of –3.5.

Why are key numbers so bad? Simple, they increase the likelihood of a book getting sided or ‘middled’ as a result of a line move. The easiest way to define getting ‘sided’ or ‘middled’ is to show a quick example of each. Remember that sportsbooks try and balance action on every game (within reason) to minimize risk and maximize profits. Suppose the spread opens with Bears -3. The book takes a ton of action on the Bears and moves to –3.5 to attract money the other way. The move works and players bet heavy on the Packers +3.5 so the wagering is equal on both teams. Now, if the Bears kick a late Field Goal to win by 3, all the action on the Bears –3 is pushed while the bets with the Packers +3.5 are winners. The House loses money despite the balanced action because it was sided (spread landed on opening or closing line). Imagine a worse scenario, the line opened Bears –2.5 and was bet to –3.5 where the Packers bettors finally stepped in and balanced things up. Now if the game lands Bears by 3, the bets at –2.5 are winners as are the bets with the Packers +3.5. Now the House has to pay both ways (although any action at –3 or +3 is pushed) because it was middled (spread landed between opening and closing line).

Traditional thinking on basketball has been that there are no spreads with likely enough outcomes to warrant the same type of line move. If you get action at –3, you move to –3.5. More action at –3.5, you move to –4. You get the idea. However, the data for the 2001-2002 NBA season paints a different picture since there a handful of numbers that fall enough of the time to be considered in the same category as minor key numbers in the NFL.

Late last summer I analyzed the numbers for the 2001-2002 NBA regular season in preparation for a column for a gaming magazine on basketball. Here is a summary of the most landed on scores for the season and their frequency:

7-points 7.4%
5-points 7.1%
6-points 6.9%
3-points 6.6%
9-points 6.4%
2-points 6.2%
8-points 5.3%
4-points 5.2%

These eight outcomes were the margin of victory in over half of all NBA games last year! The average margin of victory was a surprising 10.8 (boosted by a 53-point win by the T-Wolves over the Bulls in November). This does not take into account favorites or underdogs, so the likelihood of a spread of –7 actually landing is less than 7.4% because the underdog would have won by 7 in some of these cases. 1-point was the difference just 3.8% of the time so if you get to see a real buzzer beater, enjoy, as they are much rarer than most people appreciate. Ten through 14 also saw their share of games, all coming in 3.1-4.6% of the time. The drop-off is pretty severe after that.

Over the last couple of weeks, I have gathered and analyzed the numbers for this season and the results look very similar.

7-points 7.3%
5-points 7.3%
2-points 6.5%
6-points 6.4%
3-points 5.8%
8-points 5.6%
9-points 5.1%
4-points 4.3%

So far this season, these eight outcomes account for the final margin of victory in 48.4% of all NBA games (down slightly from 51.1%). Ten and 11 both have climbed slightly and are now 5.0 and 4.4% respectively. One-point wins are happening 3.6% of the time. Again, above 14 the drop-off is dramatic.

Right now I know you are asking “So what?” Let me try and explain how this can help you. First, you know to be very diligent in shopping for the best line if the spread is –2 to –11. This should be the case with any spread but is particularly important in this range. Getting –6.5 instead of –7 in the NBA is statistically more important than getting –3.5 instead of –4 in the NFL but very, very few bettors are aware of that fact.

Secondly, if you are going to play teasers, you now know which are the best lines to tease. Teasing a favorite down from –7.5 to –2.5 will cross 4 of the most likely outcomes of 7, 5, 6 and 3 so, such a line would have to be a much better candidate for a teaser than would be a spread of –18 or –2.

Finally, when buying points, you now can judge how valuable a half point really is. Don’t worry so much about buying to –1. A final score of 1 only lands in 3.6-3.8% of games, yet I see a lot of players buying the spread all the way to –1 (and even -.5!) Buying from –3 to –2 is a lot more valuable than is buying from –2 to –1.

Also note that many bookmakers are picking up on this trend. Ten years ago, you would never have seen an NBA line of –6 –115, but in today’s competitive environment, these lines are showing up more and more.



Anyways, I hope this information helps make you a better basketball bettor. Good luck the rest of the season.>>>
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I have never bought a point in the NBA and doubt if I ever will, and I have been betting offshore since 1996...I won't argue whether or not there are "Key" numbers in the NBA or not, but the point is, "key" numbers are irrelevant in the NBA, unlike the NFL...You handicap the games and bet accordingly, you never let "key" numbers play a part in your betting strategy in the NBA...Never...You NEVER lay more juice than you have to, it'll cost you in the long run...
 

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I found this to be a VERY useful discussion of (what I consider to be) a key point (no pun intended) in NBA capping.

I personally don't believe in buying on or off points as I think the books are very sharp in this regard and you only increase their edge by doing so no matter what the number.

But still....I always thought there were key numbers (less dynamic than the NFL's 3 and 7) in the NBA. I have always worked with 4 and 5 as my key numbers....and while I don't buy on or off of them, I do increase my units if those numbers lie in between the line and my own calc'ed number for a game (eg the difference between 10 and 13 is far less than the difference between 3 and 6).

The one thing missing from the discussion....and what Occam finally provided us with is a breakdown of where actual results have fallen. It appears (from those results) that I was right about 5, but should replace 4 with 7.....and that 2 is pretty far down the list. I suspect Fish and Shrink (who seem to put a lot of stock in 2) have been watching a lot of NCAA games....and I suspect that 2 is a bigger number there than in the NBA.

If anybody has an update of Occam's numbers......maybe for a more recent season, or for several seasons, that would be great info.
 

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thanks guys

7 was nice last night on da lalkers game
 

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Zapster:

What year do you need??...I have results going back to 1987 as I expand my database and can probably give you a breakdown of any one of those years or maybe all of them...I won't have it at the drop of a hat as I am still building certain aspects of it, but it shouldn't take long at all to break it down like OccamsRazor's article did...
 

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