Let's Do Something -- Anything

[Willie99]

I think this reasoning applies to just about everything this administration has passed.

A trillion dollar stimulus bill? no time to read it, it has to be passed immediately to keep the world wide economy from collapsing. (although he waited 4 days for the ceremonial signing, some 8x longer than the Congress had to read the massive bill before voting on it)

A 1,500 page energy bill? no time to read it, it has to be passed immediately, presumably to save the planet.

A government takeover of a healthcare system that the overwhelming majority are happy with when discussing their own heathcare? Despite the fact that it changes everything we know about healthcare while creating a new and largest government bureaucracy in the country, a couple of Democratic Senators could put a new draft of such massive plan on the table every 48 hours. These guys are either the smartest people on earth, or they're simply retarded.

Does nyone know why they refuse to allow time to read the bills before passage? Very similar to Al Gorebal bullshit, they don't want discussion, they don't want debate, they don't want light shed on their brain dead policies.

 

[Willie99]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/07/01/lets_do_something_--_anything_97252.html

Facts. Costs. Consequences.Who cares?


We're in the middle of pretending to save the planet, baby.
If it's about helping "the environment," suspend reason and salvation is yours. As I'm sure you've heard a lot of smart and compassionate folks tell you lately, doing something -- anything! -- is better than doing nothing.


So the House did something. It passed a "cap and trade" bill that would ration energy, destroy productive jobs, levy the largest tax increase in United States history and, for kicks, penalize foreign trade partners who fail to engage in comparable economic suicide.


Now, assuming there are no speed-reading clairvoyants in the House, no one who voted for the 1,200-page bill -- plus the 300-page amendment dropped the morning of the vote -- possibly could have read it.


And any scum-sucking scoundrel who points out that "doing nothing" already includes spending billions on renewable energies and living under thousands of regulations is, as New York Times columnist Paul Krugman shrewdly noted, a traitor to humankind.


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and any African American that votes Republican is an Uncle Tom.


It's just good ole liberal logic.

 

[tiznow]

sounds like your boy dubya rushing through shit like patriot act and such post 9/11

never waste a good crises

neither party does

and they both give us more government

 

[fletchisrhsm]

Absolute fucking hilarious with Willie running around like a chicken with his head cut off screaming about Obomanomics. Isnt this the same guy who used to tell you to look at the GDP and the debt to income ratio and any other useless HORSESHIT that doesnt hold any water off some blog to defend the Republican whores in congress and the white house just a few years ago? Wasnt Willie the one when presented with cold hard facts would whip out some ridiculous poll on happiness? I mean seriously, i love fucking irony, i really do, but this is just going to far!!!!



Of course the big libs on this forum are so naive and delusional, you cant even understand what rots inside that melon, so i dont try. When you have a mental midget like GTC leading off for you, you know its curtains. What i cant get enough of thou is these flip flopping Repubs.

:lol:

Wullster, i love you keep it up. Your complete 360 is absolutely keeping me howling. Absolute comedy gold.


@)

 

[tiznow]

not to mention the whole TARP shit happened under dubya's watch

at the rate we going honestly

i'm starting to think dubya-obama 1-2 punch may go down in the history books as what brought about america's decline long term

the main question i have about obama is does he know what he's doing....that over the long haul he will further be endenturing/enslaving the poor and lower class he supposedly is trying to help....or is he just a misguided marxist that doesn't understand how the real world works

dubya i don't think had any evil intent necessarily he was just a idiot puppet on strings that followed what cheney et. al told him was the right thing to do

 

[fletchisrhsm]

not to mention the whole TARP shit happened under dubya's watch

at the rate we going honestly

i'm starting to think dubya-obama 1-2 punch may go down in the history books as what brought about america's decline long term

the main question i have about obama is does he know what he's doing....that over the long haul he will further be endenturing/enslaving the poor and lower class he supposedly is trying to help....or is he just a misguided marxist that doesn't understand how the real world works

dubya i don't think had any evil intent necessarily he was just a idiot puppet on strings that followed what cheney et. al told him was the right thing to do

my sentiments exactly

 

[Willie99]

LOL

twiddle dee and twiddle doe act like nothing has changed fiscally speaking

okie dokie, it's all the same


let's see, saying a country can afford to service more debt as the economy grows and thus debt in and by itself is not an economic deterrent

is the same as saying that exploding the debt and exploding the size of government while raising taxes and regulations and taking over private industry is not an economic deterrent.

Seriously, WTF am I supposed to say to something so stupid?

 

[Willie99]

sounds like your boy dubya rushing through shit like patriot act and such post 9/11

Chronology of the USA PATRIOT Act, 2001

October 26: President Bush Signs the USA PATRIOT Act into Law in a Rose Garden Ceremony.
October 25: Senate Passes H.R. 3162, the USA PATRIOT Act. The vote was 98-1 with Senator Russ Feingold the only member voting against passage of the bill.
October 24: House Passes Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT ACT) Act of 2001. The new bill, H.R. 3162, is the result of negotiations to resolve differences between House and Senate anti-terrorism bills (H.R.2975 and S. 1510).
October 12: Senate and House Pass Anti-Terrorism Legislation; Problematic Privacy Provision Retained [See: ALAWON V10 # 75]
Abstract:
The Senate passed its anti-terrorism legislation, S. 1510, very late on Thursday night, October 11th.The final vote was 96 to 1 with Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI) the only Senator voting against the bill.
October 10: (1) Anti-Terrorism Bill Goes to Senate Floor October 11; (2) House Anti-Terrorism Bill Passes Judiciary Committee, Privacy Advocates Press for House Deliberations on H.R. 2975 [See: ALAWON V10 #73]
Abstract:
(1) Anti-terrorism bill goes to Senate floor October 11th.ALA and others in the library community have been working to get troublesome provisions on library records and patron privacy as well as computer trespassing changed in the bills moving quickly through the Senate and the House of Representatives. (2) The House Judiciary Committee unanimously approved a bill on a bipartisan basis that seeks to address several critical civil liberty concerns, but these concerns may not be addressed. Please contact House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-IL) and ask him to call for a vote on H.R. 2975, the PATRIOT Act.
September 24: (1) Bush Administration Submits Anti-Terrorism Legislation to Congress; (2) ACLU and other civil liberties groups release "In Defense of Freedom at a Time of Crisis" statement [See: ALAWON V10 #69]

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yep, they voted on the Patriot Act without being given time to read the act and without debate.

the circumstances are exactly alike


hno:

 

[fletchisrhsm]

LOL

twiddle dee and twiddle doe act like nothing has changed fiscally speaking

okie dokie, it's all the same


let's see, saying a country can afford to service more debt as the economy grows and thus debt in and by itself is not an economic deterrent

is the same as saying that exploding the debt and exploding the size of government while raising taxes and regulations and taking over private industry is not an economic deterrent.

Seriously, WTF am I supposed to say to something so stupid?

Obviously its not smart but you are arguing which shade of blue best represents the sky.

I mean hello Willie, Socialism light is still socialism now matter how you dice it. Like you said in the other thread to GTC and his clusterfuck of a post "its all perception" its apparent you know those words well. Stop playing favorites Willie, there is only a handful of conservatives and this has NOTHING to do with being a Republican.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

If you believe Bush started the ball rolling with TARP then he must have been a great influence on the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.

By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
07/01/09 9:19 PM EDT

When President Obama announced on June 9 that some financial institutions would be allowed to repay Troubled Asset Relief Program dollars, he said the massively expensive TARP bailout had made money for the federal government. "It is worth noting that in the first round of repayments from these [TARP recipients], the government has actually turned a profit," the president said. Indeed, TARP supporters have long held out the hope that the program might be profitable.

But now Rep. Barney Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, has come up with a proposal to spend any TARP profits before they can be returned to the taxpayers. Last Friday, Frank introduced the "TARP for Main Street Act of 2009," a bill that would take profits from the program and immediately redirect them toward housing proposals favored by Frank and some fellow Democrats.

In exchange for receiving TARP money, financial institutions were required to hand over shares of preferred stock that paid a dividend for the government. In theory, if a financial institution paid the dividend faithfully, and then repaid the TARP money, then the government would turn a profit. Last month, the General Accountability Office (GAO) reported that, through June 12, 2009, the government had received $6.2 billion in dividend payments. The original TARP legislation required that money made from the program "shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury for reduction of the public debt."

Frank, however, wants to spend the money before it can be used to pay down anything. First, the "TARP for Main Street" proposal would take $1 billion "from dividends paid by financial institutions that have received financial assistance provided under…the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act" and apply it to a trust fund that Frank has long wanted to create for low-income rental housing. (The measure, unfunded, was part of last year's bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.) Next, Frank would take $1.5 billion from TARP dividends for a so-called "neighborhood stabilization" fund. Republican critics have charged that both measures might allow federal dollars to be distributed to activist groups like the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now, or ACORN.

The "TARP for Main Street" bill would also spend $2 billion, apparently from remaining TARP funds, to subsidize people who are delinquent on their mortgages, and another $2 billion to "stabilize multifamily properties that are in default or foreclosure."

Frank's proposal comes at a time when Republicans, and some Democrats, are expressing concern about the continued use of TARP money. Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch recently complained that TARP funds are "now being used as a go-to solution to address all of our nation's economic ills." Hatch and Democratic Sen. Blanche Lincoln recently introduced a bill that would require that TARP money goes back to the Treasury for debt reduction.

Spending the dividend payments now, as Frank proposes, would reduce the chance that TARP might ever be a break-even deal for the taxpayers. "We don't know if TARP is going to be making any money, so taking the dividend payments going back to Treasury is pretty questionable," says one House GOP aide. Indeed, in its June report, the GAO revealed that 17 troubled institutions have not paid their dividends, much less repaid the TARP money itself. And last week, the Wall Street Journal reported that three other institutions were not paying dividends. But now, Frank is proposing that dividends be spent immediately. "It defeats the idea of taxpayer protection," says the GOP aide

 

[gtc08]

obama is giving the people what they want, which i appreciate, especially this universal health care bill.

you guys think the majority of the country is against this shit? please.

if the people didnt want it they wouldnt push it. im glad americans for the first time are forcing there leaders to get shit done like this universal health care.

 

[JudgeWapner]

I think affordable health care in the US is possible. But first you would need to take lawyers out of the equation.

 

[JudgeWapner]

As for the current administration, I am disapointed. But it is still early.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

obama is giving the people what they want, which i appreciate, especially this universal health care bill.

you guys think the majority of the country is against this shit? please.

if the people didnt want it they wouldnt push it. im glad americans for the first time are forcing there leaders to get shit done like this universal health care.

GTC - your exactly right. Mark it down but i completely agree with you. Problem is, most Americans are dumb ass over weight over consuming toads living beyond their means, so in reality, what does that really mean when you say that they "want it"?

 

[C-Gold]

not to mention the whole TARP shit happened under dubya's watch

at the rate we going honestly

i'm starting to think dubya-obama 1-2 punch may go down in the history books as what brought about america's decline long term

the main question i have about obama is does he know what he's doing....that over the long haul he will further be endenturing/enslaving the poor and lower class he supposedly is trying to help....or is he just a misguided marxist that doesn't understand how the real world works

dubya i don't think had any evil intent necessarily he was just a idiot puppet on strings that followed what cheney et. al told him was the right thing to do

Might not be too far off.

Obama is a financial terrorist to America.

 

[C-Gold]

I think affordable health care in the US is possible. But first you would need to take lawyers out of the equation.

You need tort reform but you also need the government more out of the equation.

 

[C-Gold]

As for the current administration, I am disapointed. But it is still early.

It's only going to be worse with Obama. His approval rating is dropping and his disapproval rating is increasing.

 

[C-Gold]

obama is giving the people what they want

Debt
Debt
Debt
and more debt.

Let's all have a giant debt party, that's what we all want! @)

 

[Willie99]

obama is giving the people what they want, which i appreciate, especially this universal health care bill.

you guys think the majority of the country is against this shit? please.

if the people didnt want it they wouldnt push it. im glad americans for the first time are forcing there leaders to get shit done like this universal health care.

the American people absolutely disapprove of the federal government taking over healthcare.

1) read a history book, we've been down this path 15 years ago

2) ask yourself why it's not law yet? the retards in power pass mega bills without even reading them, yet they can't get enough support out of their own party for the healthcare crock of shit they're putting on the table. Of course, the shit in the crock changes every 24 hours, but that's for another day.

"please"

 

[barman]

You self-employed guys just love being able to log on and post to an internet forum at any hour of the day or night.