Legend or myth?

crazy · Aug 25, 2009

With those high vigs.....Now lets not mention recipe for bankrupcy...
yea you may catch a few in a row but when you don't....

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Many good points have been brought up here I must admit....But I caution all newbies not to just trust and believe everything you read!!! Especially when there is no documentation of the claims made.

I can easily show you how you will make millions using chase, matingale,LAb...on paper but actually doing in with real money thats a whole different story.

I've know alot of gamblers that made money and they made claims that they can't lose they have this ...they do that.....but after some time passes, 9 of 10 are in the hole....crying....divorced.....ect...

Now as a rule of thumb, I don't believe anyone that tells me they make huge amounts of money gambling, rather I try to look for those that quietly go about their business, stay consistent and avoid questions of how much they make. Unfortunatly these are very few, but I have seen a couple of these types here at the RX.....And there is atleast 1 in everyone of these forums.

barman · Aug 25, 2009

KingofNicotine said:
I would suggest betting individually. I actually would have more money if I bet individually (rather than using parlays)

Modified your post slightly...Yes, we will gain a few percentage points in payout by wagering Straight instead of parlays, but the parlays are great tools for reducing Exposure per play.

Minus money favorites can be packaged in a parlay and you're not exposing that minus juice on a single outcome

And overall, parlays reduce exposure when you want to mix in a half dozen or more events within a fixed time period ("day" "afternoon" "evening")

I've been using almost exclusively 2TPs and a few 3TPs over past nine months. And while I've not invested much in real $$, my overall bank is at highest ever and I only busted once (in late June a couple weeks after having taken a modest payout which reduced my bank)

barman · Aug 25, 2009

Number Freak said:
Funny what Sawyer said about telling your friends and family you're making a living. It's very true that they don't and won't understand. I don't like to lie to those close to me because they will probably find out anyway eventually.

I usually fob it off a bit by saying that "I am a small time sports investor. I've got a couple bucks on TeamXXXX tonight" so as to explain why I might be cheering for a particular team while at a sports bar or social gathering.

Now it's true...I am "small time" compared to many. But there's absolutely no need to waste my time or theirs telling them, "Yeah, I invest a couple hours nearly every day looking for the best margins on major league baseball games (or college basketball or English soccer*). I use a couple of internet sports forums to gather shared information and I place wagers with sportsbooks in Central America and Europe."

Try that and you'll either get some disdain or you'll cause their eyes to glaze over in about 20 seconds or less.

Just enjoy being involved (in whatever game is getting the group attention) and stick with your long term plan.

Speaking of which...I've got to go hit a five hour lawn/garden shift (my primary biz for $$) and will return to this thread with interest later tonight. There are several good submissions in this thread to which I'd like to Comment.

*I don't do a lot of English soccer actually...though this past Saturday at about 5am EDT, I placed a big $50 2TeamParlay using ManUnited and ManCity (paid about $42).

Went to bed, got up about 1pm and the SheBar calls and asks how's it going.

I told her, "well while I was sleeping I made $42 on an English soccer parlay"

And she's WTF?....English soccer??

I love this business

barman · Aug 25, 2009

SAWYER, I just sent you a PM

MTL_Expos2003 · Aug 25, 2009

Bad day... Sawyer you still playin the Braves & Cubs tommorow?

ray · Aug 26, 2009

I lost my retail business of 8 years due to a rough economy lately, I joined theRX since the NBA playoffs in Apr 09. I haven't worked since a year ago and been just sports betting here and there. Since joining theRX, I'm roughly up about 16k. I have no system, no limit and I just wager what I see fit.

KingofNicotine · Aug 26, 2009

It was a bad night for everyone tonight. I hope tomorrow is better.

crazy · Aug 26, 2009

recepies for bankruptcy........what are we chasing $4540 between cubs and atlanta tomorrow?

In the chance they both lose then the total deficit would be over 15,000 in 2 days

MTL_Expos2003 · Aug 26, 2009

I'm going with the Braves and Marlins today, I hope it goes smooth..

Sawyer · Aug 26, 2009

MTL_Expos2003 said:
Bad day... Sawyer you still playin the Braves & Cubs tommorow?

Of course.. :toast:

Sawyer · Aug 26, 2009

crazy said:
recepies for bankruptcy........what are we chasing $4540 between cubs and atlanta tomorrow?

In the chance they both lose then the total deficit would be over 15,000 in 2 days

There's a big difference between my bankroll and yours bankroll. So you can go bankrupt easily but I don't have a problem like that hopefully..

In addition, I appreciate your imagination since you think both Nats and Padres can sweept their opponent on the road, LoL!

Have a great night everyone!

MTL_Expos2003 · Aug 27, 2009

Well the Padres are off to a good start, never would've thought that they would win the first 2 games... :S... And the Braves relief pitching really sucked in this series...

Really interesting matchups tommorow though...

crazy · Aug 27, 2009

I never mentioned anything about how big my bank-roll is....It's my experience that anyone that brags about their bank-roll I just divide that by 10 and I'm usually at the truth....

Anyhow continuing on with my so called vivid imagination.....you now need to place over $25000 to make back $1000

just that $ amount would be a little tricky to place...but even if one can manage to do so "???"......this situation would happen often during a baseball season and eventually it would catch up and devistated the bank-roll

Good luck on the braves tomorrow really hope they win.....but don't sit there and try to explain that this is not a recepy for total BR implosion

barman · Aug 27, 2009

"recipe"

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Back shortly with a couple comments that occurred to me since I last posted in this thread midday Tuesday

crazy · Aug 27, 2009

recipe

good one LOL!! my bad

Martinga · Aug 27, 2009

Let me tell you my story (pretty crazy)
When i turned 19 years old, i began betting by putting 100 bucks down. I slowly managed to turn those 100 bucks into 4 thousand dollars (took me several months). Within a week time i lost 2 g's and i decided to take a break (for like 4 months)

I started around a month ago with 100 bucks.

Within a week and a half i turned those 100 bucks into 1400 bucks. I cashed 800 (so i was left with 700 profit considering i "invested" 100 bucks, and 600 into the account). Within a week, i had turned those 600 into 10 g's. Another week i had 20 g's.

Just last weekend i managed to make 10 g's on saturday and 12 g's on sunday night. I had 50 856 dollars in the account (btw, if its of any interest, i use Pinnacle). I cashed 11500 bucks on Sunday and by monday afternoon the money was already in my checking account (i used instadebit to do the transaction). Monday i decided to take a day off.
Bought myself a 47 inch tv, and since monday, i have only made 2 g's (i lost and won some HUGE bets).

The thought a month ago that today i would have 50 g's with a starting bankroll of 100 bucks is beyond me. It still amazes me and im waking up every morning knowing how lucky i am (mind you im 19 years old only, live in my parents, and have little liabilities).

I have my school paid for, and have recently opened a stocks account where i'll begin diversifying all my winnings (eventually moving to real estate).

Mind you, i have a very different way of betting. Ive heard ppl say here that you are supposed to bet under 10% of your entire bankroll. At times, im betting up to 50% of my entire bankroll. I do agree its risky, but thats the way i am (plus its all profits im playing with anyways).

Its trully like a rollercoaster. Some days i start with 38 (like today) move it all the way up to 52, then sink it down to 34, and finish the night with 42.

My lucky advantage is that im currently relying on a HUGE bankroll. Meaning that i can afford to lose 10 g's, cause i'll still have another 30 g's available to play with. When you start with a small bankroll, its much harder to build up (hence why it took me a week and a half to build from 100 to 1400, yet took me only another week to build up from 600 to 10 000)

One good piece of advise i can give you is to know yourself.
Learn to control yourself and learn what your forte is.
For example, i learned my forte is live bets. Im very lucky/fortunate at live bets. Thats why i like to make my heavy plays during the games rather than before the game starts.
Another thing i do is i do tail some good cappers here (Mistermj, Venomousanction, gabbana, ACE-ACE to mention a couple) and i def play listen to what they say. To the point that if i do find myself thinking of playing a team, and find one of these cappers is playing opposite to what i was leaning to, i just stay out of the game.

I have also developed a habit to cash out whenever possible. At this pace, instadebit is only allowing me to withdraw 12 g's per week. So while i can, im doing that, keeping in mind that i do have to have at least a good 10g's on the account for me to use on more bets.

I hope that helps.

Believe me, even now, im always scared that one day pinnacle might just delete my account, and pretend never to have heard about me. But i did get those 11.5 g's on the account, so yes, it might sound like a dream, but if it is, its a very vivid one.

Oh, one last thing. I discourage friends to see this as a full time job. I mean, with 50 g's this month only, i have made the yearly salary of an average full timer here in Canada. I still have a part time job, which provides me with a STABLE income, which is very different from the "hobby income" bets are bringing me.
As much as i won a lot of money, i could lose it all in a matter of days (hence why i wanna start pulling it out and investing in several stuff)

Good luck to you and to everyone

STACKSONDECK · Aug 27, 2009

Martinga said:
Let me tell you my story (pretty crazy)
When i turned 19 years old, i began betting by putting 100 bucks down. I slowly managed to turn those 100 bucks into 4 thousand dollars (took me several months). Within a week time i lost 2 g's and i decided to take a break (for like 4 months)

I started around a month ago with 100 bucks.

Within a week and a half i turned those 100 bucks into 1400 bucks. I cashed 800 (so i was left with 700 profit considering i "invested" 100 bucks, and 600 into the account). Within a week, i had turned those 600 into 10 g's. Another week i had 20 g's.

Just last weekend i managed to make 10 g's on saturday and 12 g's on sunday night. I had 50 856 dollars in the account (btw, if its of any interest, i use Pinnacle). I cashed 11500 bucks on Sunday and by monday afternoon the money was already in my checking account (i used instadebit to do the transaction). Monday i decided to take a day off.
Bought myself a 47 inch tv, and since monday, i have only made 2 g's (i lost and won some HUGE bets).

The thought a month ago that today i would have 50 g's with a starting bankroll of 100 bucks is beyond me. It still amazes me and im waking up every morning knowing how lucky i am (mind you im 19 years old only, live in my parents, and have little liabilities).

I have my school paid for, and have recently opened a stocks account where i'll begin diversifying all my winnings (eventually moving to real estate).

Mind you, i have a very different way of betting. Ive heard ppl say here that you are supposed to bet under 10% of your entire bankroll. At times, im betting up to 50% of my entire bankroll. I do agree its risky, but thats the way i am (plus its all profits im playing with anyways).

Its trully like a rollercoaster. Some days i start with 38 (like today) move it all the way up to 52, then sink it down to 34, and finish the night with 42.

My lucky advantage is that im currently relying on a HUGE bankroll. Meaning that i can afford to lose 10 g's, cause i'll still have another 30 g's available to play with. When you start with a small bankroll, its much harder to build up (hence why it took me a week and a half to build from 100 to 1400, yet took me only another week to build up from 600 to 10 000)

One good piece of advise i can give you is to know yourself.
Learn to control yourself and learn what your forte is.
For example, i learned my forte is live bets. Im very lucky/fortunate at live bets. Thats why i like to make my heavy plays during the games rather than before the game starts.
Another thing i do is i do tail some good cappers here (Mistermj, Venomousanction, gabbana, ACE-ACE to mention a couple) and i def play listen to what they say. To the point that if i do find myself thinking of playing a team, and find one of these cappers is playing opposite to what i was leaning to, i just stay out of the game.

I have also developed a habit to cash out whenever possible. At this pace, instadebit is only allowing me to withdraw 12 g's per week. So while i can, im doing that, keeping in mind that i do have to have at least a good 10g's on the account for me to use on more bets.

I hope that helps.

Believe me, even now, im always scared that one day pinnacle might just delete my account, and pretend never to have heard about me. But i did get those 11.5 g's on the account, so yes, it might sound like a dream, but if it is, its a very vivid one.

Oh, one last thing. I discourage friends to see this as a full time job. I mean, with 50 g's this month only, i have made the yearly salary of an average full timer here in Canada. I still have a part time job, which provides me with a STABLE income, which is very different from the "hobby income" bets are bringing me.
As much as i won a lot of money, i could lose it all in a matter of days (hence why i wanna start pulling it out and investing in several stuff)

Good luck to you and to everyone

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crazy

seanjohn007 · Aug 27, 2009

martinga , its funny how much we have in common. minus hte fack that i dont bet near as much as you, yet. what part of canada do you live in? i was just in richmond for a week, dont no if thats anywhere near you

Sawyer · Aug 27, 2009

crazy said:
recipe

good one LOL!! my bad

Chicago Cubs Chase Winner
Atlanta Chase GM3

If you can pick your sposts wisely, you won't lose any chases at all. I went 54-0 last season and I didn't lost any chases this season as well..

Even I hedged my bet (and made profit) when Braves took the 3-0 lead (layed braves for 1,15 (like backing padres for +600) still I will chase Braves in 3rd game. Even if they lost, it won't be end of the world since I hedged my bet yesterday.

And according to my math, you don't need to lay 25k in 3rd game if you keep wager for Game 1 small. I hoped you were smart enough to think it.

GL Everyone!

Sawyer · Aug 27, 2009

FIVE MISCONCEPTION ABOUT PRO HANDICAPPERS (Writtten By Sawyer)

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1- THERE'S NO GUARANTEE IN BETTING

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Well, let me ask you is there a guarantee in your daily job? Millions of people are being fired everyday and it's not only because of their performance. Today, companies are getting smaller and smaller in order to survive in capitalist/competitive world. I know hundreds of people who lost their job because of global crisis.

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Let’s say you decided to run your own restaurant or build a farm. Every businessman becomes successful? I know millions people who end up broke or closing their company..

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Yes, there’s a risk in betting as well but here everything depends on you, your bankroll management and your attitude/approach towards losing. If you have a proper money management system and some skill in sports betting –which only %55 would do the trick- you can make a living by betting!

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2- HANDICAPPERS ARE ANTI-SOCIAL PEOPLE

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Do you think that people working 9-6 are too social? Let’s say you come to home at 19:30 and you will go to bed at 23:30. You have only 4 hours for your social affairs. I have some friends who start job at 08:00 AM! Not to mention, night shift jobs, extra work, stupid night meetings, cocktails etc.

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Not to meniton, some people are working in Saturdays too. Think about it, you come to home exhausted and tired and will you be motivated to go theatre, cinema? Dinner, tv, sleep will be your lifestyle if youre working 9-5 and you will enjoy your weekends with sleeping because you will be tired to death!

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On the other side, betting gives you lots of freetime. You can go playing golf, go fishing, cinema and meet new people. Not to mention, you’ll meet other bettors too! Thanks to internet, I met lots of new people (and made new friends) by sports betting forums.

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3- THERE’S NO END IN BETTING! THERE’S NO RETIREMENT!

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Do you know that an average man gets retired when he hits 65 age? It’s even <st1:metricconverter productid="70 in">70 in</st1:metricconverter> some countries! On the other side, you can end your betting career whenever you want. You can get retired at 40 but why should you retire of something that doesn’t take that much time?

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4-SOCIETY DOESN’T HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR BETTORS!

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WTF! Who cares about damn society? You can be sure that they will be your dog when they saw your Ferrari. No matter what’s your occupation/job, everybody will treat you well (they will admire you) if you’re rich. Being a handicapper is like being a rock star. You have a talent and it’s not an ordinary job that everyone can do. Everyone can become a teacher or a banker but not everyone can become a handicapper. It requires a true talent, will and discipline.

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5-IF YOU WIN TOO MUCH, BOOKIES WILL LIMIT YOU!

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Hey, There’s hundreds of bookmakers on earth! Not to mention, there’s exchanges as well which you can win money forever because when you’re winning money in exchange, you don’t take your bookmaker’s money. They are earning their commission so they don’t care who is winning. As long as you have Betfair and Matchbook, you should not have any limit problems at all.<o

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<b>CONCLUSION</b>

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If your dad is not Donald Trump, then you don’t have any chance to become rich if you don’t win the lottery. In our age, it’s very hard –nearly impossible- for an average person to get rich by working in a 9-5 job. Of course, you can win American Idol; win the big prize in “Deal or No Deal” but your chance is one in a million.

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You’ll have lots of free time for your hobbies!
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I heard it many many times. When I was in university, I was interested in music. Now what? I can’t find time for my hobby. I was used to be a photographer. Now? Many people are dropping their hobbies because they don’t have any spare time. Business life is nothing but a slavery..

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Raison D’Etre!
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What’s your reason of existence? You’re living to work? I think the correct statement should be "working for living" not living for working! You start to go school when you’re 7 years old then job life gets starting usually when you’re 23-25. You’ll be working ‘til 60 or 65, All your life. So when you become an old man, you will be rewarded with retirement and you’ll have a lots of freetime but would you like to enjoy life when I'm 30-40, not after 65! What's the point of living if i'm gonna live my life after 65?

It’s an illusion, you’re wasting your time everyday so wake up. You’re not a slave, you’re a human.
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What’s the point of being rich when I get to 65? You’re working your whole life to get the reward and when you get the reward you’re too old to enjoy it. I don’t know if I’m going to be alive in 65!

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Family Affairs

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If your wife is not a career-maniac like Ally Mc Beal then she may be the most luckiest woman on earth. She don’t need to work anymore because you’ll be making lots of money to take care of her. Also you will have a comfortable life, travel anywhere on earth. In summer, when your friends are working 9-5, you’ll be enjoying the sea and waves..
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Being a handicapper will give you lots of free time to spend with your children as well! Today, many fathers are like ATMs. They’re giving pocket money to children and that’s all. Why? Because they’re working all day. Communication Breakdown hurts families in a bad way.<o

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Believe it or not, betting is an endless purse of gold if you can treat it right. Betting and Gambling are different things. If you’re playing with a money that you can’t afford to lose, if you’re playing with your food/rent money then you’re gambling. Don’t be a gambler, be a Professional Sports Bettor!

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