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So what? That supposed to make it right? Don't even know the biases introduced into the survey/how the questions were worded. I can verify this statement as being pretty accurate, especially for telephone polls.....Disclaimer by Gallup:
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These results are based on telephone interviews with combined randomly selected national sample of 2,028 adults, 18 years and older, conducted March 22-23 and March 24-25, 2003. For results based on this sample, one can say with 95 percent confidence that the maximum error attributable to sampling and other random effects is plus or minus 3 percentage points.
In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

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"Then, with almost 100% of the German approval rating, (Hitler) started invading other countries ..."

http://www.insane.nu/kult/hitler.htm

They got right on board with Hitler not because of his doctrine, but because he had an 92% approval rating. This sad situation of these so-called believers is amply illustrated in the words of Martin Niemoller, who was a Lutheran pastor and supported Hitler early in his regime. Niemoller regretfully explained:

“In Germany they came first for the Communists and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

By the time the Nazis put him away, Niemoller became an outspoken critic of Hitler and his regime. He was sentenced to Dachau concentration camp and narrowly escaped execution before the war ended.


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And your point would be exactly what, cussin?

Clinton ran his office based on the same polls. These polls, whether you like it or not, can and do reflect public sentiment. Doesn't mean the war is 'right', it means though that a big majority of Americans support it, a lot of them Democrats.
 

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Point is they are not scientific, we don't know what people are answering to when they talk about "support", the word support itself takes on a multitude of connotations, basing a justification for an action based on a poll is pretty irresponsible (yes Clinton too).
And it is darn right insulting. You have to look deeper into the breakdown of the sampling, the question wording, and factor in that people will lie about their feelings to seem to others to be part of the mainstream.

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When's the last time you personally posted such objections about the Gallup poll and disclaimed the accuracy of it? Sure, you have to look at the wording, but I think you're protesting here because the results don't match your expectations - would you have posted this if 70% of those polled did NOT support the war?
 
"Then, with almost 100% of the German approval rating, (Hitler) started invading other countries ..."

The "relevancy" of polls
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>if 70% of those polled did NOT support the war?

Jazz, if that were correct then CNN would be running the poll #s every 15 mins 24/7
 

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr030328.asp

Blacks Showing Decided Opposition to War
Bush approval has strongest relationship to opinion about war


by Jeffrey M. Jones
GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- The beginning of war with Iraq brought about a rally in support for military action, from percentages in the high 50s prior to the breakdown of the diplomatic process to the current 71% who say they favor the war. A closer look at the data from two Gallup Polls conducted since the war began shows that a majority of most demographic groups favor the war, with two exceptions being blacks and ideological liberals. Opposition among blacks is especially widespread, at 68%. Wide gaps in support also exist by party, gender, education, and income. A special analysis reveals that the strongest independent predictor of opinion on the war is approval of President Bush, followed by race, ideology, party, and income.

Support for the War by Group

Seventy-eight percent of men favor the war, compared with 66% of women -- a 12-percentage-point gap. Gender gaps have traditionally been evident in support for military action, although those gaps have narrowed in the post-Sept. 11 world. However, the current difference in support by gender is nearly identical to what it was at the beginning of the 1991 Persian Gulf War. Then, a 10-point gap existed, as 86% of men and 76% of women approved of the United States' decision to go to war with Iraq to drive the Iraqis out of Kuwait.

The racial gap -- more appropriately called a racial divide -- is much larger than the gender gap. While 78% of whites favor the war, just 29% of blacks do, for a gap of 49 points. Nearly 7 in 10 blacks, 68%, oppose the war.

There is no consistent pattern by age -- approval of the war is lowest among 18- to 29-year-olds, at 66%, and highest among 30- to 49-year-olds, at 75%. Sixty-nine percent of 50- to 64-year-olds favor the war effort, as do 73% of those aged 65 and older. The current level of support among older Americans represents a shift in attitudes. For many months prior to the start of the war, Americans aged 65 and older tended to be the age group least likely to favor the war.

About two in three Americans residing in the East favor the war, the lowest level of support among the four regions of the country. This compares with 73% support in the Midwest, 71% in the South, and 77% in the West.

Throughout much of the prelude to the war, Americans with postgraduate educations were among the groups least in favor of military action against Iraq, and that is still the case now. Although a majority of postgraduates, 60%, favor the war, that level of support is significantly lower than that found in other educational groups. Roughly 7 in 10 Americans at other levels of educational attainment favor the war -- 69% of college graduates with no postgraduate education, 77% of those who attended college but did not receive a degree, and 72% of those who did not attend college at all.

There are clear income differences in the data. Among those whose household incomes are less than $30,000, just 58% favor the war. This compares with 78% of those whose incomes exceed $30,000 (there is essentially no difference in support among income groups above the $30,000 threshold).

Political leanings have always been a major factor in support for the military action against Iraq, and that trend continues. Ninety-three percent of Republicans favor the war, compared with 66% of independents and 53% of Democrats. Similarly, 84% of conservatives favor the war, as do 70% of moderates but only 44% of liberals. A majority of political liberals, 54%, oppose the war.

The starkest difference occurs when the data are divided according to Americans' evaluations of President Bush. Ninety-two percent of Americans who approve of the way Bush is handling his job as president favor the war. Among those who disapprove of Bush, 21% favor the war and 76% oppose it.

Opinion on U.S. War With Iraq by Demographic Group



Favor
Oppose
Sample Size


%
%


Overall
72
25
2,028






Republican
93
5
750

Conservative
84
13
892

Income $30,000 to less than $50,000
79
19
455

Men
78
20
964

White
78
20
1,673

Reside in West
77
21
441

Some college education
77
21
587

Income $50,000 or greater
77
21
960

Have children under 18
76
22
394

30-49 years old
75
23
844

Suburban
75
22
1,030

Rural
75
22
452

65 years and older
73
25
353

Reside in Midwest
73
24
474

High school education or less
72
26
644

Reside in South
71
26
656

Moderate
70
27
744

No children under 18
70
26
619

50-64 years old
69
27
517

College graduate only
69
28
367

Women
66
32
1,064

18-29 years old
66
32
301

Reside in East
66
32
457

Independent
66
31
667

Other race
63
34
114

Urban
62
36
546

Postgraduate education
60
38
419

Income less than $30,000
58
38
507

Democrat
53
44
584

Liberal
44
54
369

Black
29
68
141



Presidential Job Approval, Race Most Strongly Related to War Views

Many of the correlations outlined above hold up in a stricter statistical analysis. That is, many of the variables show an independent relationship with support for the war even when the impact of other variables is taken into account. For example, even though blacks are overwhelmingly Democratic in their partisan orientations, they still are much more likely to oppose the war (nearly five times more likely) than are non-blacks when their party identification and other characteristics are taken into account.

The analysis shows that of all the variables described above, approval of President Bush has the greatest independent impact on support for the war. Even though Republicans and conservatives show overwhelming support for the war (and are also highly likely to approve of the job Bush is doing as president), when the effects of these and other demographic variables are taken into account, Bush's job approval has the strongest independent relationship with support for the war.

Specifically, those who approve of the president are 7.1 times more likely, on average, to favor the war than are those who disapprove of Bush, taking into account the effects of other relevant variables. By comparison, Republicans are 3.4 times more likely than Democrats (and independents) to favor the war, and conservatives are 3.6 times more likely than liberals to favor it, taking into account the influence of other factors. The stronger influence of presidential approval can be probably explained by the reality that most Democrats and independents who support the war also approve of Bush, while most Democrats and independents who oppose the war also disapprove of Bush's job performance.

The following table shows the average increase in likelihood of favoring the war for each of the variables tested, with the variables ordered according to the strength of their influence. Figures around 1.0 (or –1.0) indicate no difference in likelihood, while numbers further away from 1.0 indicate increasing likelihood. Negative numbers indicate increased likelihood of opposing the war.

Variable
Relevant Comparison(s)
Increased Likelihood of Favoring War


Presidential Approval
Approve vs. Disapprove
7.1

Race
Black vs. Non-Black
(-4.8)

Ideology
Conservative vs. Liberal
3.6

Moderate vs. Liberal
1.8

Party Identification
Republican vs. Democrat
3.4

Income
Less than $30,000 vs. All others
(-3.0)

Gender
Male vs. Female
1.9

Education
Postgraduate vs. All others
(-1.4)

High school or less vs. All others
(-1.4)


Note: When taking into account the effect of other variables, age and region no longer show meaningful differences, and so are not included in the table. Statistics shown are the odds ratios found when using a logistic regression with opinion on the war as the dependent variable.


Survey Methods

These results are based on telephone interviews with combined randomly selected national sample of 2,028 adults, 18 years and older, conducted March 22-23 and March 24-25, 2003. For results based on this sample, one can say with 95 percent confidence that the maximum error attributable to sampling and other random effects is plus or minus 3 percentage points. In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.
 

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Perhaps I wouldn't need to as plenty of neo-conservatives would blast the polls with the same arguments I have proposed. FYI, I minored in Statistical Analysis in college. Polls are always iffy no matter what you're trying to measure.
The main point is the apparent gloating by those so quick to quote a favorable poll, yet still can't give rational, lawful, and justifiable reasonings for WHY this action is necessary, why throw out hundreds of years of foreign policy precedence, countless warnings by the wisest authors on the dangers of unprovoked invasion, the simple practicality of the matter---cost, et. al

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That's a completely different point. This point was about public support for the war.

Concerning polls - yeah, there are factors you have to look at, but these are pretty much indicative of what's going on since there are no major polls disputing it. But feel free to suggest a better way - I'm all ears.
 

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And my point is to be careful with this, that it may very well be an apparent or transparent support, according to this one source, for reasons I've already stated.

I can assure you that I could structure the question in a way that produce less than the majority and still report it as "Support for the War"

So, once again find me a transcript of the telephone poll, the way the questions are worded, can and does make a huge difference in the outcome.

Additionally, I would not use a favorable poll as a justification for my own specfic beliefs and political stance. My beliefs are based on careful inspection of Constitutional, moral, historical considerations, as well as practical aims, long-term policy, regional and world stability, economics, impact on humanity and so on.

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Actually, cussin, I agree completely with your final paragraph - I'm not kidding. I don't use this poll or any other for validating my position - that's lazy. Instead, it DOES serve to dispute some who would have us believe there isn't widespread support for the war in the US.

Concerning me finding the questions: I didn't post this topic and anyone can dig as well as I can - go to Google and put in "Gallup poll", and find out yourself. I've gotta get back to work - lunch is over!
 

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Jazz, never a doubt that we could agree on something, or at least agree to disagree.

The main point I intend to stress is that while this poll may indicate a perceived "public" support for this action, it still is pretty superficial. The aim is to come together in the best interests of this country, where compromise has always been our strongest political attribute.
This is my main objection, that this Administration and leadership has force fed this war down our throats, dictating to us what "we" are going to do, with no regards or intentions for reasoned debate and compromise.
I see eerily similar characteristics of this President with another LBJ, and we know what happened during his tenure. (and yes he was a Democrat)
This whole argument should never be mindlessly reduced to some kind of partisan favoritsm. We are talking about the lives of many, and a region of the world that we have not done well to endear ourselves to.

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I love the stats above - they clearly show that the more education you have, the less likely you are to support this war.
 

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Privately, in their hearts and minds, perhaps Yes, against this action...Publicly in their notion of duty and patriotism, their desires to be "with the majority" then No, support the War.

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The overwhelming majority of Americans are against this war both publicly and privately.
 

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originally posted by FatFrank:


shows 70% of Americans in favor of the war


False Frank, the poll does not show that.
 

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