I've been trying to find out from another poster if there is any difference between the two places as far as odds and such but have had little luck getting a straight answer. I'd appreciate people who have been to both places to please compare them for me and the forum.
I didn't like AC as much just because of the no sports betting.
Their horse section was coming along though, the horse books were fine.
Slots and table games don't interest me.
Their horse section was coming along though, the horse books were fine.
Slots and table games don't interest me.
Actually, I think Vegas is "grandfathered" for sportsbetting as well.
I imagine the Feds will fight anyone (i.e. Minnisota) trying to get into it.
What do you think?
I imagine the Feds will fight anyone (i.e. Minnisota) trying to get into it.
What do you think?
Western Region
EBITDA in the Western Region was $87 million in the third quarter of 2002, up 45 percent from $60 million for the third quarter of 2001.
Third quarter results at Caesars Palace – $5 million in EBITDA compared to $3 million for the period ending September 30, 2001 – did not meet the company’s expectations because of an abnormally low hold percentage on table games and construction disruptions that resulted in lower slot and table volumes. Construction dislocation resulted in approximately 350 fewer slot machines on the casino floor during the quarter.
At Paris/Bally’s, EBITDA for the third quarter was $47 million, up more than 56 percent from the third quarter of 2001, when the property reported an unusually low table hold percentage. Paris/Bally’s showed strong improvement in hotel revenue during the third quarter of 2002, with room rates and occupancy at Paris exceeding year-ago levels.
The Flamingo Las Vegas reported third quarter EBITDA of $21 million, up $1 million from the third quarter of 2001.
Other Nevada properties – the Las Vegas Hilton, Reno Hilton, Caesars Tahoe and Flamingo Laughlin – on a combined basis reported $14 million in EBITDA for the third quarter of 2002, double the $7 million reported for the third quarter of 2001.
Eastern Region
EBITDA from Park Place’s four Atlantic City casino resorts and management fees from its Dover Downs slot operation was $140 million, up $4 million – or 3 percent – from the $136 million recorded for the third quarter of 2001. The results reflected improved results at Bally’s Atlantic City and Caesars Atlantic City.
EBITDA for Bally’s Atlantic City for the third quarter was $56 million, up 2 percent from the $55 million reported for the third quarter of 2001, largely because of slightly higher table volume and hold percentage.
At Caesars Atlantic City, EBITDA for the third quarter was $53 million, up 4 percent from the $51 million reported for the third quarter of 2001. Caesars results benefited from higher volumes on both slots and tables.
The Atlantic City Hilton generated EBITDA of $22 million for the third quarter, down from $23 million for the third quarter of 2001.
Other Eastern Region properties reported $9 million in EBITDA for the three months ending September 30, up 29 percent from the $7 million in EBITDA reported for the third quarter of 2001.
EBITDA in the Western Region was $87 million in the third quarter of 2002, up 45 percent from $60 million for the third quarter of 2001.
Third quarter results at Caesars Palace – $5 million in EBITDA compared to $3 million for the period ending September 30, 2001 – did not meet the company’s expectations because of an abnormally low hold percentage on table games and construction disruptions that resulted in lower slot and table volumes. Construction dislocation resulted in approximately 350 fewer slot machines on the casino floor during the quarter.
At Paris/Bally’s, EBITDA for the third quarter was $47 million, up more than 56 percent from the third quarter of 2001, when the property reported an unusually low table hold percentage. Paris/Bally’s showed strong improvement in hotel revenue during the third quarter of 2002, with room rates and occupancy at Paris exceeding year-ago levels.
The Flamingo Las Vegas reported third quarter EBITDA of $21 million, up $1 million from the third quarter of 2001.
Other Nevada properties – the Las Vegas Hilton, Reno Hilton, Caesars Tahoe and Flamingo Laughlin – on a combined basis reported $14 million in EBITDA for the third quarter of 2002, double the $7 million reported for the third quarter of 2001.
Eastern Region
EBITDA from Park Place’s four Atlantic City casino resorts and management fees from its Dover Downs slot operation was $140 million, up $4 million – or 3 percent – from the $136 million recorded for the third quarter of 2001. The results reflected improved results at Bally’s Atlantic City and Caesars Atlantic City.
EBITDA for Bally’s Atlantic City for the third quarter was $56 million, up 2 percent from the $55 million reported for the third quarter of 2001, largely because of slightly higher table volume and hold percentage.
At Caesars Atlantic City, EBITDA for the third quarter was $53 million, up 4 percent from the $51 million reported for the third quarter of 2001. Caesars results benefited from higher volumes on both slots and tables.
The Atlantic City Hilton generated EBITDA of $22 million for the third quarter, down from $23 million for the third quarter of 2001.
Other Eastern Region properties reported $9 million in EBITDA for the three months ending September 30, up 29 percent from the $7 million in EBITDA reported for the third quarter of 2001.
If you want to go and gamble-and I mean GAMBLE, AC is the place to go. If you have baggage & want to show her (or he for the resident "twinks") the pretty lights & all the other Vegas BS, you're stuck with LV.
LV is all show, AC is all "put up or shut up".....where else do you see $5 min chips on roulette & $25 min on BJ?????
Hey Toto....it ain't Kansas.
LV is all show, AC is all "put up or shut up".....where else do you see $5 min chips on roulette & $25 min on BJ?????
Hey Toto....it ain't Kansas.
TT said it all.
I was just in AC three nights ago. I go about once a month. If you are going strictly for gaming purposes, then AC is great. If you want all the frills, then LV is the place to go.
THe one thing I hate about AC is that there is not ONE SINGLE good restaurant there. The pool of players in AC tend to be more knowledgable and serious.
For my purposes I would prefer to be in LV, because there is just more to do.
My betting consists of 99% sports. I sit at a a BJ table and play basic strategy, so I would rather be somewhere warm with nice restaurants.
Good luck.
When I was in Vegas, I placed all bets offshore anyways..
Does anyone bet sports in LV?
I was just in AC three nights ago. I go about once a month. If you are going strictly for gaming purposes, then AC is great. If you want all the frills, then LV is the place to go.
THe one thing I hate about AC is that there is not ONE SINGLE good restaurant there. The pool of players in AC tend to be more knowledgable and serious.
For my purposes I would prefer to be in LV, because there is just more to do.
My betting consists of 99% sports. I sit at a a BJ table and play basic strategy, so I would rather be somewhere warm with nice restaurants.
Good luck.
When I was in Vegas, I placed all bets offshore anyways..
Does anyone bet sports in LV?
Doc,
People that don't like good numbers play in Vegas. The Mirage is always behind the DB moves or they're a half pt higher on the fave. But at least you can bet a game in Vegas, you can't in AC.
People that don't like good numbers play in Vegas. The Mirage is always behind the DB moves or they're a half pt higher on the fave. But at least you can bet a game in Vegas, you can't in AC.
Hamberg,
I can't say. My ave bet is close to $250 when I'm playing table games. I guess it could be the fact that Vegas doesn't HAVE to comp $50 players while AC does. Why comp players at that level unless you need them for the action? Obviously if Vegas needed that size of player they would comp them too.
I can't say. My ave bet is close to $250 when I'm playing table games. I guess it could be the fact that Vegas doesn't HAVE to comp $50 players while AC does. Why comp players at that level unless you need them for the action? Obviously if Vegas needed that size of player they would comp them too.
A $250 bettor would get way more in comps in Atlantic City vs Las Vegas. That is the reason why Atlantic City get more repeat business than Las Vegas. Las Vegas is looking for more nongaming revenue than Atlantic City. BTW East Coast Casino's business has picked up after 9/11 how many urban cities are located within a 4 hour drive to Las Vegas the answer is zero. Atlantic City has way more urban area's to draw from and the population of at Atlantic City is still under 100,000.
Ham,
You just stated the reason AC gets more repeat business and it isn't the comps. It the number of people within driving distance, not just the comps.
You just stated the reason AC gets more repeat business and it isn't the comps. It the number of people within driving distance, not just the comps.
All I know is that I was last in Vegas during baseball season and almost every book dealt a 20c line. I couldnt stop laughing at all the ploppies throwing away their money at the windows. I stayed at Mandalay, and they dealt a dime line. But until I can get walk into a book called Planet Pinnacle dealing a progressive 8c line, I'll just pass.
Dont get me wrong, I love LV, but for sportsgambling purposes its a joke. I am not even going to touch upon some of the futures odds I saw.
I laughed all the way to the computers at Kinko's.
Dont get me wrong, I love LV, but for sportsgambling purposes its a joke. I am not even going to touch upon some of the futures odds I saw.
I laughed all the way to the computers at Kinko's.
