La Revolucion: US Womens Soccer Team fights wage discrimination.

[ML Dog]

"The timing of the women’s action was due to U.S. Soccer communicating in CBA negotiations that the women would not get as much as the men in their new CBA."

“I can tell you categorically along with the other U.S. Soccer participants that statement or anything even remotely along those lines was never said,”

"The women’s CBA is in place until December 31, 2016, based on the memorandum of understanding signed in 2013."

(Note: Suitable images of US Soccer Federation Lawyer Russell Sauer were unavailable)

"The CBA is no longer in place. It expired."

"Equality."

"Respect."

"Wake Up Bozo."

"This battle is not just for us but for the girls who are going to eventually take our spots on this team. Hopefully they won't have to fight as hard as we are. Hopefully we will contribute to a culture that pushes us toward true equality."

"There are so many things that are shocking in our past. Women used to not be allowed to vote. I think one day we will look back and think it is shocking that women didn't earn as much as men. We're going to look back and wonder, why did we value women so much less?"

"Because the Men who wrote your holy books and the Laws of your Societies were (and still are) ego-driven self obsessed insecure wreckage of human beings exactly like that kid who cried in the Leave Brittney Spears Alone Video. The primitive brains of these morons and the sheep that slave to keep their archaic stupidity in place today are idiots.
There is no disputing this, they are hypocritical embiciles who care only about Power. Stand up to them, destroy their self-appointed positions of control, decimate their illusions of superiority, obliterate their delusions of grandeur, wipe these from the canvas topple utterly and forever the false thrones they sit upon and proclaim their idiocy from.

The True Seat of Power lies with The People, has only ever legitimately existed therein, with The People and True Power lies not with Men who Lie, take advantage of you from on High."

 

[ML Dog]

Payment situation	USWNT (2013-present)	USMNT (2015-18)
Friendlies (per player, vs. teams not in FIFA's top 25, excluding Mexico)	$1,350 for a win	$9,375 for a win; $6,250 for a tie; $5,000 for a loss
Friendlies (per player, vs. teams ranked 11-25, excluding Mexico)	$1,350 for a win	$12,500 for a win; $6,250 for a tie; $5,000 for a loss
Friendlies (per player, vs. teams ranked 1-10 and Mexico)	$1,350 for a win	$17,625 for a win; $8,125 for a tie; $5,000 for a loss
World Cup roster bonus	$15,000 per player WCQ match bonus; $15,000 per player WC roster bonus	$68,750 per player
World Cup qualifiers	N/A	$12,500 per player per win; $6,000 per player per draw; $4,000 per player per loss
World Cup qualification	N/A	$2,500,000 split among team player pool
World Cup per game payment	N/A	$6,875 per player, regardless of result
World Cup first round points bonus	N/A	$218,750 to team player pool per point earned
World Cup second round advancement bonus	N/A	$4,500,000 split among team player pool
World Cup fourth place bonus	$10,000/player	N/A
World Cup third place bonus	$20,000/player	$1,250,000 to team player pool
World Cup second place bonus	$32,500/player	$6,250,000 to team player pool
World Cup champion bonus	$75,000/player	$9,375,000 to team player pool
Player in World Cup training camp, not game roster	N/A	$2,500
Per Diem	$50/domestic venue; $60/international	$62.50 domestic; $75 international
Sponsor appearance fee	$3,000/appearance	$3,750/appearance
Attendance ticket revenue bonus	$1.20/ticket	$1.50/ticket
Post-World Cup victory tour (number of games dependent on WC outcome; tour dependent on WC finish)	$1.8M for team player pool for finishing first in World Cup; $6,750 per player for finishing second; $6,250 per player for finishing third	N/A

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[RenoChazz]

Or maybe Men's soccer brings in more revenue?

 

[niltes]

If they generate the same revenue as men, then they should get equal pay.
I suspect the women do not which is why they are compensated less; just
like comparing income/revenue for men's and women's golf.

 

[ML Dog]

The argument "They are just whining cuz they had one good year, won the World Cup so Revenues from the Women's Team were unusually UP, look over the course of a longer period of time blah blah blah" get destroyed by the absurd disparity in the numbers above.

This is ridiculous people. We simply have to Evolve from the Dark Ages on this, the treatment of Females. Yeah its great that we don't stone them, abuse them like Muslim Societies do but we have our own far less heinous but nonetheless present inferior treatment of them going on.

If our generation does not evolve to get out from under this Neanderthal Crap bequeathed us by small minded idiots deathly afraid of their power being challenged by females your Granddaughter's generation will, extricate our Society from beneath this shameful tarp of primitive stupidity so we may as well just accomplish this inevitable evolution now.

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[ML Dog]

Or maybe Men's soccer brings in more revenue?

Thats a Key Question of course and naturally the number crunchers on the Opposition side are able to manipulate figures to where it can be shown that the disparity in pay between the Men's and Women's team see the Women getting underpaid by about 10% only.

The Courts or some out of court settlement will hash the specifics out where regards this deal, what I propose with making this thread is the bigger issue that you as a Father understand I am sure which is that the hour for evolution is at hand, where regards our society's perception of women and subsequential treatment of females all of which exist due to primitive bullshit passed down to us through generations of cowardly Religious and Political Leaders.

The Real (and actual) Issue here is if we want to consider ourselves "Enlightened Beings" then we should start behaving as such by trying to mold a society that eventually will Free itself from oppressive & obviously False belief systems handed down to us from Baboons.

 

[SECplayer]

Or maybe Men's soccer brings in more revenue?

This. It's really that simple. The number they are throwing out about women having more revenue is because they are conveniently comparing a year in which the women had a World Cup and the men did not.

Compare the World Cup revenue and it's not even remotely close. Billions compared to tens of millions.

Should the point guard of the New York Liberty be paid the same as Lebron? Of course not.

 

[ML Dog]

This. It's really that simple. The number they are throwing out about women having more revenue is because they are conveniently comparing a year in which the women had a World Cup and the men did not.

Compare the World Cup revenue and it's not even remotely close. Billions compared to tens of millions.

Should the point guard of the New York Liberty be paid the same as Lebron? Of course not.

U.S. Soccer president Sunil Gulati argued that the U.S. women do not generate as much revenue as the U.S. men’s team over a four-year World Cup cycle—a federation spokesperson said the men have generated nearly twice as much revenue as the women during that time—and Gulati added that revenue generation should be taken into account in the men’s and women’s collective bargaining agreements with U.S. Soccer.

Viewed over an even broader scope of past history the disparity is no doubt even wider but to get to "Billions compared to tens of millions" is gonna require a team of Willie99 type CPA Accounting Wizards who'd be unable to accomplish that gap without fabricating an entirely separate set of Books.

Couple of Key Points, 2nd of which not surprisingly indicts FIFA System as a contributor to this problem:

• “Sponsorships and TV money are done collectively. We don’t break that down either with any of our partners or our TV partners. So that’s on a guaranteed basis. We don’t break that down in any of our accounting.”
  

So TV Revenues & Sponsorships should not be in one's brain when considering the question of Revenue difference between the Men's & Women's squads because these things are not applicable.

• The big difference in bonuses for the men’s and women’s World Cups is based largely on the difference in prize money awarded by FIFA.

The Issue at hand is the larger Human Question that it is time to address and (at long last finally) answer correctly. I've seen your posts, you're among the more intelligent posters on Rx Farm and you understand the question here....perfectly.

I know that the path we're on as result of the thousands of years of archaic religious and societal ingrained behaviors passed down to us aren't going to be righted overnight, I'm merely suggesting that those who see this thread and have the sense to forsee the inevitable get themselves onto the right side of history here and support "the girls" in their campaign for equality.

That not to be confused with supporting Left Wing Feminists who have a totally different and completely destructive agenda, thats a whole different ball-game. The support I suggest is for your daughters, granddaughters and so on to accomplish the more level playing field that your female descendants deserve and that you should want with every fiber of your being to see them have.

 

[ML Dog]

 

[slapshot]

Guess we don't really need a team

 

[ML Dog]

Guess we don't really need a team

 

[SECplayer]

U.S. Soccer president Sunil Gulati argued that the U.S. women do not generate as much revenue as the U.S. men’s team over a four-year World Cup cycle—a federation spokesperson said the men have generated nearly twice as much revenue as the women during that time—and Gulati added that revenue generation should be taken into account in the men’s and women’s collective bargaining agreements with U.S. Soccer.

Viewed over an even broader scope of past history the disparity is no doubt even wider but to get to "Billions compared to tens of millions" is gonna require a team of Willie99 type CPA Accounting Wizards who'd be unable to accomplish that gap without fabricating an entirely separate set of Books.

Couple of Key Points, 2nd of which not surprisingly indicts FIFA System as a contributor to this problem:

• “Sponsorships and TV money are done collectively. We don’t break that down either with any of our partners or our TV partners. So that’s on a guaranteed basis. We don’t break that down in any of our accounting.”
  

So TV Revenues & Sponsorships should not be in one's brain when considering the question of Revenue difference between the Men's & Women's squads because these things are not applicable.

• The big difference in bonuses for the men’s and women’s World Cups is based largely on the difference in prize money awarded by FIFA.

The Issue at hand is the larger Human Question that it is time to address and (at long last finally) answer correctly. I've seen your posts, you're among the more intelligent posters on Rx Farm and you understand the question here....perfectly.

I know that the path we're on as result of the thousands of years of archaic religious and societal ingrained behaviors passed down to us aren't going to be righted overnight, I'm merely suggesting that those who see this thread and have the sense to forsee the inevitable get themselves onto the right side of history here and support "the girls" in their campaign for equality.

That not to be confused with supporting Left Wing Feminists who have a totally different and completely destructive agenda, thats a whole different ball-game. The support I suggest is for your daughters, granddaughters and so on to accomplish the more level playing field that your female descendants deserve and that you should want with every fiber of your being to see them have.

The overwhelming majority of $ to pay the men's and women's national team comes from the World Cup.

In 2014, the men's World Cup generated $4.8 Billion in revenue.

The most recent numbers available for the women's World Cup I could find were for 2011 which generated $50 million. I'm sure the 2015 numbers will be substantially higher when released. But even if they quadrupled their previous revenue, we're talking about $200 million.

Bottom line is that from a world wide perspective (and that's what matters because again the World Cup is what generates the majority of the $ paid to both teams), the men are immensely more valuable than the women despite the women being the best in the world and the men just being one of the top 32 (or top 16) etc.

its the the exact same reason the MEN in the English Premier Leage make a ton more than the MEN playing in the MLS.

 

[TheFunkMonkey]

Payment situation	USWNT (2013-present)	USMNT (2015-18)
Friendlies (per player, vs. teams not in FIFA's top 25, excluding Mexico)	$1,350 for a win	$9,375 for a win; $6,250 for a tie; $5,000 for a loss
Friendlies (per player, vs. teams ranked 11-25, excluding Mexico)	$1,350 for a win	$12,500 for a win; $6,250 for a tie; $5,000 for a loss
Friendlies (per player, vs. teams ranked 1-10 and Mexico)	$1,350 for a win	$17,625 for a win; $8,125 for a tie; $5,000 for a loss
World Cup roster bonus	$15,000 per player WCQ match bonus; $15,000 per player WC roster bonus	$68,750 per player
World Cup qualifiers	N/A	$12,500 per player per win; $6,000 per player per draw; $4,000 per player per loss
World Cup qualification	N/A	$2,500,000 split among team player pool
World Cup per game payment	N/A	$6,875 per player, regardless of result
World Cup first round points bonus	N/A	$218,750 to team player pool per point earned
World Cup second round advancement bonus	N/A	$4,500,000 split among team player pool
World Cup fourth place bonus	$10,000/player	N/A
World Cup third place bonus	$20,000/player	$1,250,000 to team player pool
World Cup second place bonus	$32,500/player	$6,250,000 to team player pool
World Cup champion bonus	$75,000/player	$9,375,000 to team player pool
Player in World Cup training camp, not game roster	N/A	$2,500
Per Diem	$50/domestic venue; $60/international	$62.50 domestic; $75 international
Sponsor appearance fee	$3,000/appearance	$3,750/appearance
Attendance ticket revenue bonus	$1.20/ticket	$1.50/ticket
Post-World Cup victory tour (number of games dependent on WC outcome; tour dependent on WC finish)	$1.8M for team player pool for finishing first in World Cup; $6,750 per player for finishing second; $6,250 per player for finishing third	N/A

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Right off the bat, this chart is bullshit. If you look at Friendlies, it implies the Women are only paid for Wins. In reality, they're paid a flat amount for x-number of games (with $1,350 as an extra bonus).

I do think the Women have a reasonable argument (some of their TV ratings have been better than men) --- but if you look around, there is a mix of reasonable arguments vs bullshit information.

 

[TheFunkMonkey]

Right off the bat, this chart is bullshit. If you look at Friendlies, it implies the Women are only paid for Wins. In reality, they're paid a flat amount for x-number of games (with $1,350 as an extra bonus).

I do think the Women have a reasonable argument (some of their TV ratings have been better than men) --- but if you look around, there is a mix of reasonable arguments vs bullshit information.

Here it is --- the Women receive $72k base for 20 exhibition/friendly games (plus the $1,350 win bonus). Not the same as men, but hardly the woe-is-me story that they're presenting.

Women’s players receive a base salary of $72,000 to appear in 20 exhibition games per season, with victory bonuses taking that up to a maximum of $99,000, according to the filing. The men, the complaint added, “receive a minimum of $5,000 to play in each game, regardless of the outcome” for the same number of appearances.

 

[TheFunkMonkey]

Thats a Key Question of course and naturally the number crunchers on the Opposition side are able to manipulate figures to where it can be shown that the disparity in pay between the Men's and Women's team see the Women getting underpaid by about 10% only.

The Courts or some out of court settlement will hash the specifics out where regards this deal, what I propose with making this thread is the bigger issue that you as a Father understand I am sure which is that the hour for evolution is at hand, where regards our society's perception of women and subsequential treatment of females all of which exist due to primitive bullshit passed down to us through generations of cowardly Religious and Political Leaders.

The Real (and actual) Issue here is if we want to consider ourselves "Enlightened Beings" then we should start behaving as such by trying to mold a society that eventually will Free itself from oppressive & obviously False belief systems handed down to us from Baboons.

Do you think USA Women's Basketball should receive same money/treatment as USA Men's Basketball?

Do you think USA Women's Hockey should receive same money/treatment as USA Men's Hockey?

Once you exclude Scott Hamilton (56 years old), and Brian Boitano (51 years old) --- most of the top figure-skating earners are young females. Is that fair?

What about female fashion models? Why do they make more money than men? Is that fair?

Under a certain age (about 35 or so), American women now earn more than American men. Is that fair?

 

[slapshot]

well at least she's barefoot guess she got lost looking for the kitchen :think2:

 

[Mr.Smith]

tremendous thread moneyline dog.

The US women will fare very well in court...

 

[Mr.Smith]

The US women have 3 stars above their crest on the front of their jerseys. Those stars are not a USA thing, FIFA allows a star for every World Cup victory.

 

[Mr.Smith]

 

[ML Dog]

well at least she's barefoot guess she got lost looking for the kitchen :think2:

Oh Alex is gonna KICK YOUR ASS for that,

slapshot.



The Girl is specially trained to Kick things.



I don't recall you managing to maneuver yourself into deeper shit than this slapshot.

All thats left to me is to Pray she don't see your comment until after The Frozen Four is completed.



Cuz ain't no way I can be left out in the Widerness on that.


Like a Newborn abandoned at a Fire Station or made to float down some river in Egypt in some sort of boatboatboatbasket contraption.



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This. It's really that simple. The number they are throwing out about women having more revenue is because they are conveniently comparing a year in which the women had a World Cup and the men did not. Compare the World Cup revenue and it's not even remotely close. Billions compared to tens of millions. Should the point guard of the New York Liberty be paid the same as Lebron? Of course not.

The overwhelming majority of $ to pay the men's and women's national team comes from the World Cup.

In 2014, the men's World Cup generated $4.8 Billion in revenue.

The most recent numbers available for the women's World Cup I could find were for 2011 which generated $50 million. I'm sure the 2015 numbers will be substantially higher when released. But even if they quadrupled their previous revenue, we're talking about $200 million.

Bottom line is that from a world wide perspective (and that's what matters because again the World Cup is what generates the majority of the $ paid to both teams), the men are immensely more valuable than the women despite the women being the best in the world and the men just being one of the top 32 (or top 16) etc.

its the the exact same reason the MEN in the English Premier League make a ton more than the MEN playing in the MLS.

Right off the bat, that chart up there ^^^ is bullshit.

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If you look at Friendlies, it implies the Women are only paid for Wins. In reality, they're paid a flat amount for x-number of games (with $1,350 as an extra bonus).

I do think the Women have a reasonable argument (some of their TV ratings have been better than men) --- but if you look around, there is a mix of reasonable arguments vs bullshit information.

Here it is --- the Women receive $72k base for 20 exhibition/friendly games (plus the $1,350 win bonus). Not the same as men, but hardly the woe-is-me story that they're presenting.

Women’s players receive a base salary of $72,000 to appear in 20 exhibition games per season, with victory bonuses taking that up to a maximum of $99,000, according to the filing. The men, the complaint added, “receive a minimum of $5,000 to play in each game, regardless of the outcome” for the same number of appearances.

Do you think USA Women's Basketball should receive same money/treatment as USA Men's Basketball?

Do you think USA Women's Hockey should receive same money/treatment as USA Men's Hockey?

Once you exclude Scott Hamilton (56 years old), and Brian Boitano (51 years old) --- most of the top figure-skating earners are young females. Is that fair?

What about female fashion models? Why do they make more money than men? Is that fair?

Under a certain age (about 35 or so), American women now earn more than American men. Is that fair?

Thankfully the battle is not lost just because you guys feel it necessary to inject Facts & Logic into the discussion.

Bet you thought you had us there. I'd anticipated however that Facts and Logic, if introduced into the discussion, would effectively Squash my own personal ability (as a Male) to further effectively argue the case so I enlisted a Female who's ability to continue along a path that sees her being absolutely in the Right (and all you guys in the WRONG) will not be affected in the least by Facts & Logic:

And Damn. Now she has employed Giving You Guys The Silent Treatment so...


that didn't go as I had planned.


Well.....really it kinda did. My Hope was that she'd actually argue the case but Oh Well




...you all know how it goes.


Some Good and Powerful points made above, can't deny that by just refusing to acknowldge this, as much as I'd like to do exactly that...considering the power and logic of the points

A few remaining arguments do come to my own mind though as to why we should just give them whatever the hell it is that they want:

This one doesn't play Soccer.

....at least to my knowledge.

...but thats ^^^ pretty much along the same lines of the only real main debate I have left thats not been blown to total shreds, to get these girls some better money.

Powerful Debate Points those ^^^ last 7, compelling argument ya gotta admit.

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