are odds up now? i see them
No was bet it on Alves
here's why
http://www.fighting-mma.com/mma-matchups/2008/ufc-90-betting-thiago-alves-josh-koscheck.php
No was bet it on Alves
here's why
http://www.fighting-mma.com/mma-matchups/2008/ufc-90-betting-thiago-alves-josh-koscheck.php
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5dimes opened at +150, now has kos as fav.
i use bestfightodds.com to track all my mma books. they update every 10/20 min it seems like.
makes it easy to watch for the lines during week of fight, bc books but out crap lines in mma still. look at last week, beilkheden opens at pick, moves to -190, cane opens +120 moves to pick. 5dimes is always the worst. they will usually wait for cris to post their lines but when they get some balls and put them out first they are usually real bad.
ive seen them move lines over 400 points, filho/sonnen 2 comes to mind before it was pulled.
And as to why i like kos here:
i see -145 at 5d now, i think when the other books open this will settle closer to a pick.
alves clearly has a weight issue at 170, he came in 4lbs over for hughes and has been suspended for using a diaretic. therefore, i dont expect him to come in as big as he did for the hughes fight bc when he is that jacked he cant make weight. i could be wrong, this is speculation. anyway, his size wont be that much of a difference as kos said he expects to come in at 187lbs, he is no small dude either.
alves is a notorious slow starter and he admits that. if he gives away the first round, it becomes so much harder to take a decision.
i cant even compare hughes wrestling (the one who fought in june) to kos. hughes had no explosiveness and was just leaving his head out there to catch a knee.
i think kos's stand-up is evolving and is underrated. he looked great on the feet against hazlet and his performance against diego was underrated in my opinion.
clearly, avles has the advantage on the feet, but i think kos will be a smart enough fighter to avoid the ko 80% of the time if not higher.
i think alves is getting a little too much love for his wins over an aging shell of the former hughes and a depressed, unmotivated and unfocused karo. and karo was clearly winning that fight before he ate the knee. kos has been training hard and taking the fight on short notice will have no effect.
i think kos wins dec over half the time and may suprise with a stoppage victory another 10-155 of time.
i see -145 at 5d now, i think when the other books open this will settle closer to a pick.
alves clearly has a weight issue at 170, he came in 4lbs over for hughes and has been suspended for using a diaretic. therefore, i dont expect him to come in as big as he did for the hughes fight bc when he is that jacked he cant make weight. i could be wrong, this is speculation. anyway, his size wont be that much of a difference as kos said he expects to come in at 187lbs, he is no small dude either.
alves is a notorious slow starter and he admits that. if he gives away the first round, it becomes so much harder to take a decision.
i cant even compare hughes wrestling (the one who fought in june) to kos. hughes had no explosiveness and was just leaving his head out there to catch a knee.
i think kos's stand-up is evolving and is underrated. he looked great on the feet against hazlet and his performance against diego was underrated in my opinion.
clearly, avles has the advantage on the feet, but i think kos will be a smart enough fighter to avoid the ko 80% of the time if not higher.
i think alves is getting a little too much love for his wins over an aging shell of the former hughes and a depressed, unmotivated and unfocused karo. and karo was clearly winning that fight before he ate the knee. kos has been training hard and taking the fight on short notice will have no effect.
i think kos wins dec over half the time and may suprise with a stoppage victory another 10-155 of time.
alves clearly has a weight issue at 170, he came in 4lbs over for hughes and has been suspended for using a diaretic. therefore, i dont expect him to come in as big as he did for the hughes fight bc when he is that jacked he cant make weight. i could be wrong, this is speculation. anyway, his size wont be that much of a difference as kos said he expects to come in at 187lbs, he is no small dude either.
--Alves had a foot problem that wouldn't allow him to hit the cardio like he would normally which is why he came in overweight for the Hughes fight; normally it's not a problem for him.
alves is a notorious slow starter and he admits that. if he gives away the first round, it becomes so much harder to take a decision.
--Can't disagree but I don't see it going to a decision
i cant even compare hughes wrestling (the one who fought in june) to kos. hughes had no explosiveness and was just leaving his head out there to catch a knee.
--I think this is a fair statement..Hughes just looked BAD
i think kos's stand-up is evolving and is underrated. he looked great on the feet against hazlet and his performance against diego was underrated in my opinion.
-- Remember that Hazelett (a BJJ guy) almost knocked Kos out. He had him wobbly & Kos was lucky to escape...even Little D would tell you that he doesn't knock many people out. Alves is obv a more accomplished striker
clearly, avles has the advantage on the feet, but i think kos will be a smart enough fighter to avoid the ko 80% of the time if not higher.
i think alves is getting a little too much love for his wins over an aging shell of the former hughes and a depressed, unmotivated and unfocused karo. and karo was clearly winning that fight before he ate the knee. kos has been training hard and taking the fight on short notice will have no effect.
-- I agree but I believe that Kos' public perception is better than his actual skills due to the TUF effect. I believe Alves is the better fighter & will hope for a pk or Alves as underdog when it hits bodog or Bookmaker
i think kos wins dec over half the time and may suprise with a stoppage victory another 10-155 of time.
--We shall see...should be a pretty good fight & hopefully make up for the snoozefest that Griffin/Sherk could be...2 high motor guys laying on each other without a sniff of a stoppage in that one
** Also remember that Kos took this on short notice wheras Alves has been training for Sanchez so really not much change needed to the original gameplan
--Alves had a foot problem that wouldn't allow him to hit the cardio like he would normally which is why he came in overweight for the Hughes fight; normally it's not a problem for him.
alves is a notorious slow starter and he admits that. if he gives away the first round, it becomes so much harder to take a decision.
--Can't disagree but I don't see it going to a decision
i cant even compare hughes wrestling (the one who fought in june) to kos. hughes had no explosiveness and was just leaving his head out there to catch a knee.
--I think this is a fair statement..Hughes just looked BAD
i think kos's stand-up is evolving and is underrated. he looked great on the feet against hazlet and his performance against diego was underrated in my opinion.
-- Remember that Hazelett (a BJJ guy) almost knocked Kos out. He had him wobbly & Kos was lucky to escape...even Little D would tell you that he doesn't knock many people out. Alves is obv a more accomplished striker
clearly, avles has the advantage on the feet, but i think kos will be a smart enough fighter to avoid the ko 80% of the time if not higher.
i think alves is getting a little too much love for his wins over an aging shell of the former hughes and a depressed, unmotivated and unfocused karo. and karo was clearly winning that fight before he ate the knee. kos has been training hard and taking the fight on short notice will have no effect.
-- I agree but I believe that Kos' public perception is better than his actual skills due to the TUF effect. I believe Alves is the better fighter & will hope for a pk or Alves as underdog when it hits bodog or Bookmaker
i think kos wins dec over half the time and may suprise with a stoppage victory another 10-155 of time.
--We shall see...should be a pretty good fight & hopefully make up for the snoozefest that Griffin/Sherk could be...2 high motor guys laying on each other without a sniff of a stoppage in that one
** Also remember that Kos took this on short notice wheras Alves has been training for Sanchez so really not much change needed to the original gameplan
