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Starting on Monday, you may face a pay cut.


That's because the Bush Administration is imposing new rules governing overtime pay.


And those rules will strip six million workers of the overtime they've customarily been receiving, according to a study by the Economic Policy Institute.


While the rule change will help some low-wage workers, it also lets employers exempt workers from overtime if they do some "professional, administrative, or executive" duties. The old rule said that you were exempt only if you spent most of your time on such duties.


Now any Harvard MBA worth his salt shaker will go down his payroll and start crossing people off the OT list if they are doing anything that remotely resembles professional, administrative, or executive duties.


Just take the word "administrative" and think how many tasks fall into that category, and you get a sense of how wide the employer's discretion will now be to ice people off OT.


Or the word "professional," for that matter.


Everyone from nursery school teachers to computer programmers will be affected.


And since many workers in today's economy depend on overtime pay to make ends meet, this Bush-League rule will bring them real hardship.

-- Matthew Rothschild - The Progressive.com
 

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But with the superrich accumulating all this additional windfall cash the 'trickle-down-effect' to the masses will ensure that they live in luxury.
It also means more money for charity...woopee doo.

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EEK -lmao. Bush continues to put the squeeze on the middle class.

Bush is now barnstorming the country claiming his record shows that he cares about America's middle class. On everything from taxes to health care to workers wages, the President says he has fought for average Americans. But a new report shows that in almost every key economic area, he has actually gone to bat for his wealthiest contributors, at everyone else's expense. According to a cover story in this month's American Prospect, Bush has pushed policies that benefit the major special interests funding his campaign, while rejecting commonsense, bipartisan proposals that would help the middle class. On taxes, for instance, Bush has claimed, "If you're struggling to get into middle class and you feel like you're paying plenty of taxes, take a look at my agenda." Yet, as the Prospect report points out, Bush's tax policies have actually shifted more of the tax burden off of the wealthy, and onto the middle class. His policies have also raised federal fees on the middle class, and forced state and local governments to raise middle class taxes to deal with the record federal deficits. On health care, Bush has said he is working "to help more American families get health insurance." Yet, as the Prospect report shows, the only major initiative Bush has offered is an industry-backed proposal that experts say could further raise health insurance premiums and deductibles for average Americans. Similarly, Bush has refused to support real legislation to lower the price of prescription drugs in America.

On wages, Bush has said he wants to help Americans earn better paychecks - but as the Prospect report shows, he has simultaneously refused to support a minimum wage increase while pushing to eliminate overtime pay protections for millions of workers.



Sources:
"President Emphasizes Minority Entrepreneurship at Urban League," The White House, 7/23/04.

"CBO Report: Bush Tax Cuts Tilted to Rich," Yahoo!News, 08/13/04.

"Remarks by the President at Traverse City, Michigan Rally," The White House, 07/23/04.


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Personally, I think that no one, anywhere, in any job, should get overtime. What a dumbass concept -- you work more than 40 hours a week and somehow hour 41 is worth more than hour 23 or hour 7 or hour 36.

Meanwhile, you have professionals who clock sixty hours on a regular basis, and business owners who clock eighty. As I said here over a year ago, there is a massive segment of the American economy that would call a forty-hour work week a vacation.

In California it's even worse -- you could work a twenty-hour week and qualify for overtime, if you worked ten hours on two days (California bases ovetime on an eight-hour day, not a forty-hour week.

But what FLSA really does is allow flexibility in overtime scheduling, allowing employers to offer paid time off in lieu of time and a half for overtime -- i.e. every hour worked over forty would qualify a worker for an half hour of paid offtime on the following pay period. Many people seem to prefer such an arrangement, and since neither the current setup nor the proposed changes would be fixed, mandatory situations, FLSA actually creates a more flexible and varied work market by allowing employers and employees to choose which option suits them better.

There are already a number of wage-paying jobs that are not required to pay overtime (cinema and theatre jobs, for example.) Nobody is crying about it for some strange reason; only about the make-believe "threat" to those who might potentially be effected negatively by thepending legislation.

Sigh. At least the author concedes (with one-third of a line of his article) that the change in law will actually help low-wage workers.


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And just to address the breathless pissant's concerns about the middle class.

Using Alabama tax forms, a person filing S-1 status who worked 40 hours per week at $ 10.00 per hour would bring home approximately $ 315.00 . Working 60 hours would bring home $ 565.00 (note that despite the 50% increase in per-hour pay, the take-home is less than that oh, those greedy employers! Damn them!)

Under an FLSA time-for-overtime arrangement, that same employee who worked 60 hours one week could take time off, say 10 hours from a single week for example, allowing him to work just 30 hours one week and get the full $ 315.00 pay, while having time to spend with his family, relax, hit the gym, work on that deck he's been meaning to add to the house, whatever, without losing any of his much-needed pay.

What a terrible travesty we must stop now!

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I don't recall much sympathy for employees that need charitable contributions from employers.

And yet businesses that need overtime charity contributions by employees are ok
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I like your 'time off' system
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The house edge seems to be 50%.
Charity charity charity.

It all adds to profits huh.
 

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eek, normally it is possible to get the general gist of the drivel you post, but in this case you've lost me utterly: what charity? Wage employees are paid for time, paid 1.5 the normal rate for overtime (and sometimes more for holidays, Sundays, etc. depending on employer in particular.) This is in my own view totally ridiculous and pointless, one of our most embarrassing Eurotrash throwback practices here in the US. However, that is the way it is. The FLSA allows flexibility to both employers and employees with regards to overtime compensation. To what charity are you referring, in either the case of employee or employer?


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I love it when they go into

"Duh. whaddaya mean?" mode.
(tsk tsk. so unoriginal...)

Just pay yer way, like the rest of us have to.
 

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I'm asking you to clarify an argument.

How is any employer not "paying his way?"

And in an aside, why is it that you do not advocate paying one's way in so many other aspects of life (i.e. pretty much any aspect not related to business?)


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No eek, I'm just trying to ask you for the most reasonable thing imaginable with regards to a discussion, which is to clarify a point you made that was very unclear.

Regarding the story you linked, here's a shocking fact from it:

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Recently released figures from the Office for National Statistics show France is 31.7% and Germany 16.4% more productive by hour than Britain.
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While I've always considered the British to generally be a blight on humanity, I had no idea that you were so quantifiably worthless. The French are 30+% more productive than you? That is just shameful.

Back on the planet Earth, according to Department of Labour information, the actual number of people who will lose overtime pay is 103,000 ... just slightly less than the 6,000,000 cited by the liberal think tank EPI. Additionally, what is barely mentioned in the above press release is that 1,300,000 more employees will qualify for overtime pay who did not qualify previously due to a dramatic increase in the threshold income for salaried overtime (from $ 155.00 per week to $ 455.00 per week.)

I can't believe that you of all people are accusing me of sidestepping an issue. Take some time to delve into your posting history with regards to threads of mine sometime.


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eek - one galswegian kiss for you for leaping to conclusions - your socialist underwear are showing! Please read the following fact sheets from the NLRB


This fact sheet provides general information concerning the exemption provided by Section 13(a)(1) of the FLSA as defined by Regulations, 29 CFR Part 541.

Characteristics
Section 13(a)(l) of the FLSA exempts executive, administrative, professional, and outside sales employees from the minimum wage and overtime requirements of the FLSA, provided they meet certain tests regarding job duties and responsibilities and are compensated "on a salary basis" at not less than stated amounts. Subject to certain exceptions set forth in the regulations, in order to be considered "salaried", employees must receive their full salary for any workweek in which they perform any work without regard to the number of days or hours worked. This rule applies to each exemption that has a salary requirement (outside sales employees, and certain licensed or certified doctors, lawyers and teachers have no salary requirement. For certain computer-related occupations under the professional exemption, they need not be paid a salary if they are paid on an hourly basis at a rate not less than $27.63 per hour). The special requirements which apply to each category of employees are summarized below.

Executive Exemption
Applicable to employees who have management as their primary duty; who direct the work of two or more full-time employees; who have the authority to hire and fire or make recommendations regarding decisions affecting the employment status of others; who regularly exercise a high degree of independent judgment in their work; who receive a salary which meets the requirements of the exemption; and who do not devote more than 20% of their time to non-management functions (40% in retail and service establishments).

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Administrative Exemption
Applicable to employees who perform office or non-manual work which is directly related to the management policies or general business operations of their employer or their employer's customers, or perform such functions in the administration of an educational establishment; who regularly exercise discretion and judgment in their work; who either assist a proprietor or executive, perform specialized or technical work, or execute special assignments; who receive a salary which meets the requirements of the exemption; and who do not devote more than 20% of their time to work other than that described above (40% in retail and service establishments).

Professional Exemption
Applicable to employees who perform work requiring advanced knowledge and education, work in an artistic field which is original and creative, work as a teacher, or work as a computer system analyst, programmer, software engineer, or similarly skilled worker in the computer software field; who regularly exercise discretion and judgment; who perform work which is intellectual and varied in character, the accomplishment of which cannot be standardized as to time; who receive a salary which meets the requirements of the exemption (except doctors, lawyers, teachers and certain computer occupations); and who do not devote more than 20% of their time to work other than that described above.

Outside Sales Exemption
Applicable to employees who engage in making sales or obtaining orders away from their employer's place of business and who do not devote more than 20% of the hours worked by non-exempt employees of the employer to work other than the making of such sales.


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This fact sheet provides general information concerning the application of the overtime pay provisions of the FLSA.

Characteristics
An employer who requires or permits an employee to work overtime is generally required to pay the employee premium pay for such overtime work.

Requirements
Unless specifically exempted, employees covered by the Act must receive overtime pay for hours worked in excess of 40 in a workweek at a rate not less than time and one-half their regular rates of pay. There is no limit in the Act on the number of hours employees aged 16 and older may work in any workweek. The Act does not require overtime pay for work on Saturdays, Sundays, holidays, or regular days of rest, as such.

The Act applies on a workweek basis. An employee's workweek is a fixed and regularly recurring period of 168 hours -- seven consecutive 24-hour periods. It need not coincide with the calendar week, but may begin on any day and at any hour of the day. Different workweeks may be established for different employees or groups of employees. Averaging of hours over two or more weeks is not permitted. Normally, overtime pay earned in a particular workweek must be paid on the regular pay day for the pay period in which the wages were earned.

The regular rate of pay cannot be less than the minimum wage. The regular rate includes all remuneration for employment except certain payments excluded by the Act itself. Payments which are not part of the regular rate include pay for expenses incurred on the employer's behalf, premium payments for overtime work or the true premiums paid for work on Saturdays, Sundays, and holidays, discretionary bonuses, gifts and payments in the nature of gifts on special occasions, and payments for occasional periods when no work is performed due to vacation, holidays, or illness.

Earnings may be determined on a piece-rate, salary, commission, or some other basis, but in all such cases the overtime pay due must be computed on the basis of the average hourly rate derived from such earnings. This is calculated by dividing the total pay for employment (except for the noted statutory exclusions) in any workweek by the total number of hours actually worked.

Where an employee in a single workweek works at two or more different types of work for which different straight-time rates have been established, the regular rate for that week is the weighted average of such rates. That is, the earnings from all such rates are added together and this total is then divided by the total number of hours worked at all jobs.

Where non-cash payments are made to employees in the form of goods or facilities, the reasonable cost to the employer or fair value of such goods or facilities must be included in the regular rate.

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Typical Problems
Fixed Sum for Varying Amounts of Overtime: A lump sum paid for work performed during overtime hours without regard to the number of overtime hours worked does not qualify as an overtime premium even though the amount of money paid is equal to or greater than the sum owed on a per-hour basis. For example, no part of a flat sum of $90 to employees who work overtime on Sunday will qualify as an overtime premium, even though the employees' straight-time rate is $6.00 an hour and the employees always work less than 10 hours on Sunday. Similarly, where an agreement provides for 6 hours pay at $9.00 an hour regardless of the time actually spent for work on a job performed during overtime hours, the entire $54.00 must be included in determining the employees' regular rate.

Salary for Workweek Exceeding 40 Hours: A fixed salary for a regular workweek longer than 40 hours does not discharge FLSA statutory obligations. For example, an employee may be hired to work a 45 hour workweek for a weekly salary of $300. In this instance the regular rate is obtained by dividing the $300 straight-time salary by 45 hours, resulting in a regular rate of $6.67. The employee is then due additional overtime computed by multiplying the 5 overtime hours by one-half the regular rate of pay ($3.335 x 5 = $16.68).

Overtime Pay May Not Be Waived: The overtime requirement may not be waived by agreement between the employer and employees. An agreement that only 8 hours a day or only 40 hours a week will be counted as working time also fails the test of FLSA compliance. An announcement by the employer that no overtime work will be permitted, or that overtime work will not be paid for unless authorized in advance, also will not impair the employee's right to compensation for compensable overtime hours that are worked.
 

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Het wil - try finding an article that'll print the facts without making a pretzel out of them!
 

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I have NO sympathy for people losing time and half.

Try being salaried and get 0 X's for extra hours.
 

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You can get an idea of how much charity your employer receives from you each year here.

(Don't forget to include all those lost lunch hours)

multiply by 1.8 to express in dollars.

http://www.worksmart.org.uk/itsabouttime/compare.php

Then there's the amount of time spent travelling to and from work, an hour each way?

Even if you split it 50/50 it adds up to hundreds of hours p.a.

Apply the same criteria a business would.
TIME IS MONEY, always remember that.

Once you have added in your travel time, unpaid lunch hours, unpaid overtime hours, you can then calculate the real rate per hour for YOUR time that YOU are receiving.
 

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Hey eek, any thought on the data from the DoL? I hate to sidestep the issue by citing facts and all, but would be keenly interested in your take.

Regarding your last post:

1) Commuting to work is not something one "gives" to one's employer. Many employers in the States offer compensation for mileage though, and working Americans can take a tax break on commute expenses to boot.

2) Time is not money; that is jingoistic crap. Work is money. Time is not worth anything, except maybe to a dying man. Meanwhile, most wage earners are paid for all of the time they are on the clock, not just the time spent working. If employers could pay employees strictly for actual work (or even better, just for work done promptly and well) they would probably shave 25-30% off of total expenses. Naturally, this is not a possibility (unless they get out of the wage mentality entirely, which would be a good thing imo) and under the current standards of labour probably not even a desireable end. "Time is money ..." what a laugh.

3) Unpaid lunch hours, oh the horrific plight of the working man. Are you telling me that having a sandwich is a duty which the average employee gives to his employer out of love? Meanwhile, many employers do not deduct lunch time (although it is the norm to do so admittedly.)


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Phaedrus,
Not to butt it, but there is a clear distinction between your assumptions and Eek's post

1. Commute time is not the same as travel time. Commute time is something that you have control over - ie. move. Travel time is what it is, and is usually outside of working hours.

2. In many fields, such as consulting, time is money. There's no if, and, buts about it.

3. Many employers ask you to come in for 9 hours, 8 paid and 1 for lunch. That's fine and dandy, but how often do people get asked to "work through" lunch, but have the "privledge" of not getting paid for the extra 55 minutes (lunch hour minus 5 mintues of chewing)?

Your rebuttal was a weak effort at spinning.
 

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Just do the maths for your job, like a business would have a 'cost centre'.

A basic day.
8am to 6pm is 10 hrs (excluding overtime)
You usually get paid for 7 hours (9-5 35hr week, less 'lunch')

That means you're losing 3 productive revenue producing hours PER DAY.

That is almost 50% of the time you spend in connection with your work, down the toilet, EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Now how many businesses would tolerate this?
 

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eek, maybe the very very basic concepts of economics are too far removed from your socialist brain to really appreciate, but an average business would be elated to keep an entire 50% of its generated gross receipts. I doubt that one business in one hundred, anywhere in the world, maintains that sort of profitability.


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