<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DannyMay:
I am just happy living my life. I am healthy, happy, have an OK job and gamble every day. Who needs to be rich ?
If being rich will make me like George Bush I want to stay middle class.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I am just happy living my life. I am healthy, happy, have an OK job and gamble every day. Who needs to be rich ?
If being rich will make me like George Bush I want to stay middle class.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
...guy I am very well qualified to give you advice.
...I have taken the Tommy Boy approach and have been in university for 11 years now.....
...when one school gets sick of you, just switch schools guy.... this plan is golden and usually you don't have to pay off student loans till you graduate so it's like a license to print money or something....
...let me know how it works out for you
...I have taken the Tommy Boy approach and have been in university for 11 years now.....
...when one school gets sick of you, just switch schools guy.... this plan is golden and usually you don't have to pay off student loans till you graduate so it's like a license to print money or something....
...let me know how it works out for you
most have trouble finding a career after college because either
(a) their major was worthless or they didn't seek out appropriate experience
(b) they do not know how to effectively utilize their talents and/or "sell themselves"
the first is counselors/advisors fault for not providing the proper guidance. ASt least half of the majors offered at a university are complete B.S. and you would be better going to a local trade scholl instead of shelling out $30k per year for a crappy degree.
Like Danny May said, there are thousands of new college graduates looking for a job. They ALL expect to get the job they want and to make ghood money doing it. Unfortunately, employers only want the BEST. If you have no way to set yourself apart from the thousands of others who have a degree, then don't expect to be selected before others for a good job.
And, yes, as others have said, the value of a degree for new college graduates is MUCH lower than for their parent's generation. This is due to colleges becoming more of "businesses" and less academic. More and more people are admitted every year and standards have been on the decline.
(a) their major was worthless or they didn't seek out appropriate experience
(b) they do not know how to effectively utilize their talents and/or "sell themselves"
the first is counselors/advisors fault for not providing the proper guidance. ASt least half of the majors offered at a university are complete B.S. and you would be better going to a local trade scholl instead of shelling out $30k per year for a crappy degree.
Like Danny May said, there are thousands of new college graduates looking for a job. They ALL expect to get the job they want and to make ghood money doing it. Unfortunately, employers only want the BEST. If you have no way to set yourself apart from the thousands of others who have a degree, then don't expect to be selected before others for a good job.
And, yes, as others have said, the value of a degree for new college graduates is MUCH lower than for their parent's generation. This is due to colleges becoming more of "businesses" and less academic. More and more people are admitted every year and standards have been on the decline.
Here is a simple plan to happiness for you. "FIND SOMEONE WHO HAS WHAT YOU WANT. DO WHAT THEY DID, TO GET WHAT THEY GOT."
But before you do this, you need to know what it is you want to do, career wise. Then after you know, associate with those who fit into the plan above. You will need to network and build bridges in order for them to seriously share the road map that they used. Their past experiences will help you succeed alot quicker than if you just blindly went about choosing a direction.
One Key to remember is to also watch out to whose opinion you listen to. The idea is that if this person giving you the opinion has what you want then listen to him/her. If not dont. Remember also, that only those who are there, has been there before, or was taught by someone who has been there, will be able to give you legitamate advise. Believe in yourself, and never forget that PERSISTANCE BEATS RESISTANCE.
Donalds Trumps Key Advise to being successful.
1.Always stay focused
2.Be Paranoid
3. and Always get even.
GL and Aloha CC.
But before you do this, you need to know what it is you want to do, career wise. Then after you know, associate with those who fit into the plan above. You will need to network and build bridges in order for them to seriously share the road map that they used. Their past experiences will help you succeed alot quicker than if you just blindly went about choosing a direction.
One Key to remember is to also watch out to whose opinion you listen to. The idea is that if this person giving you the opinion has what you want then listen to him/her. If not dont. Remember also, that only those who are there, has been there before, or was taught by someone who has been there, will be able to give you legitamate advise. Believe in yourself, and never forget that PERSISTANCE BEATS RESISTANCE.
Donalds Trumps Key Advise to being successful.
1.Always stay focused
2.Be Paranoid
3. and Always get even.
GL and Aloha CC.
If you did not have the skills to get a practical or technical degree (B.E.E., B.B.A. etc.) your best bet is to get a professional degree (M.B.A., J.D., M.D., etc.). It really does pay off in the long run.
Unfortunately, a liberal arts degree has very little value these days unless it is from a very prestigious school.
One of the last very decent careers where a liberal arts degree from an average school still means something is in the military. You will automatically get a shot at OCS (Officer Candidate School) if you enlist with a bachelors degree in hand. Basic plus OCS will be 8 months of pure unadultered hell, but again, just like a professional degree, will be well worth it in the long run.
Unfortunately, unless you are from a rich family with a job already lined up and your degree is a "rubber stamp" to that job, a liberal arts degree from an average university is just the beginning of a long, hard road to your goals.
[This message was edited by ppeter on January 21, 2004 at 06:42 AM.]
Unfortunately, a liberal arts degree has very little value these days unless it is from a very prestigious school.
One of the last very decent careers where a liberal arts degree from an average school still means something is in the military. You will automatically get a shot at OCS (Officer Candidate School) if you enlist with a bachelors degree in hand. Basic plus OCS will be 8 months of pure unadultered hell, but again, just like a professional degree, will be well worth it in the long run.
Unfortunately, unless you are from a rich family with a job already lined up and your degree is a "rubber stamp" to that job, a liberal arts degree from an average university is just the beginning of a long, hard road to your goals.
[This message was edited by ppeter on January 21, 2004 at 06:42 AM.]
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by goldenpicks2003:
It gets to be very frustrating. I go on these interviews and they ask me what type of experience I have, I worked during college, but not what there looking for. And I can't expect gambling to pay my bills forever...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Perhaps that's because they're looking for someone who knows the difference between there, their and they're.
It gets to be very frustrating. I go on these interviews and they ask me what type of experience I have, I worked during college, but not what there looking for. And I can't expect gambling to pay my bills forever...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Perhaps that's because they're looking for someone who knows the difference between there, their and they're.
Job interviews are primarily oral, not written, so given that the pronunciations of "their", "there" and "they're" are equivlant I suspect that Danny's misusage of "their" has little to do with lack of success in the interview process.
Danny,
Let me tell you a little secret ...
Five years back when I was near graduation of university a close friend of mine had a great job. I was a little jealous, but at the same time I was happy for him. He was fortunate to land some cool internships through his father's business contacts, thus giving him the experience to run the network for the CS dept and even make a nice chunk in freelance on the side. My grades were better, my knowledge of CS was better, but it didn't matter at first ...
.. anyways, five years later we're both on to our seconds jobs I now make double what he does.
Point is - after you finally land that first job is where you really earn your own reward. Most great jobs out of school are a smoke screen - a daddy's business, or a lucky contact ...
but what you do on your own and who you meet on your own will ultimately will build your career.
Danny,
Let me tell you a little secret ...
Five years back when I was near graduation of university a close friend of mine had a great job. I was a little jealous, but at the same time I was happy for him. He was fortunate to land some cool internships through his father's business contacts, thus giving him the experience to run the network for the CS dept and even make a nice chunk in freelance on the side. My grades were better, my knowledge of CS was better, but it didn't matter at first ...
.. anyways, five years later we're both on to our seconds jobs I now make double what he does.
Point is - after you finally land that first job is where you really earn your own reward. Most great jobs out of school are a smoke screen - a daddy's business, or a lucky contact ...
but what you do on your own and who you meet on your own will ultimately will build your career.
the only thing i learned in college worth anything
was that a toilet flushes in the counter clockwise motion in the northern hemisphere and counter in the southern (could be reversed i checked my toilet but its a one gallon flush type so i just goes strait down)
its called the Coriolis effect
now i could not spell coriolis so i checked yahoo and came ac**** this from usa today
Flush this nonsense down the drain
Don't believe what you hear about Coriolis making the water in a sink or toilet rotate one way as it drains in one hemisphere, the other way in the other hemisphere. The Coriolis force is noticeable only for large-scale motions such as winds.
so now i guess i didn't really learn anything in college
was that a toilet flushes in the counter clockwise motion in the northern hemisphere and counter in the southern (could be reversed i checked my toilet but its a one gallon flush type so i just goes strait down)
its called the Coriolis effect
now i could not spell coriolis so i checked yahoo and came ac**** this from usa today
Flush this nonsense down the drain
Don't believe what you hear about Coriolis making the water in a sink or toilet rotate one way as it drains in one hemisphere, the other way in the other hemisphere. The Coriolis force is noticeable only for large-scale motions such as winds.
so now i guess i didn't really learn anything in college
Well, when I was in school, I figured I was wasting my time. I thought, what a waste, I could be making money. So what did I do, I gave up before my 2nd year was even finished (though I had good grades) and got a job.
I said Id go back to school someday, but now Im 35 and I dont see it happening. I learned to program on the job, and while I can normally program circles around most bachelors and masters, I couldnt hope to get a job at a real company, because nobody would even call me in with my limited resume. In fact, all of the jobs I left, I left on my own, and my work was well liked, however I wouldnt be able to get an interview with any of them without making a phone call to one of the primaries. Combine no degree with being self employed for the past 7 years (no recent references), and Im screwed. My only hopes are to make it by myself.
If I had it to do over again, Id have a degree or two, and once I got into an interview, Id be very confident to land a good six figure job.
-lab
I said Id go back to school someday, but now Im 35 and I dont see it happening. I learned to program on the job, and while I can normally program circles around most bachelors and masters, I couldnt hope to get a job at a real company, because nobody would even call me in with my limited resume. In fact, all of the jobs I left, I left on my own, and my work was well liked, however I wouldnt be able to get an interview with any of them without making a phone call to one of the primaries. Combine no degree with being self employed for the past 7 years (no recent references), and Im screwed. My only hopes are to make it by myself.
If I had it to do over again, Id have a degree or two, and once I got into an interview, Id be very confident to land a good six figure job.
-lab
