Kerry Admits Abortion Takes a Life

[truthteller]

What a fuking hypocrite this guy is. I will be writing an article about why this baby killer should not be elected just over this issue. And it's not because he is pro-choice.

"Sen. John Kerry isn't as honest about abortion as the missus is, but in flip-flopping around the issue today he said something sure to enrage chief handler Mary Beth Cahill and other pro-abortion extremists.

In his first post-convention interview, the self-described "Catholic" today told the Associated Press in Newburgh, N.Y., that life began at conception but that he still believed abortion should be allowed anyway.

Asked whether he believed abortion was taking a life, Kerry acknowledged a fetus was a "form of life."
That's when he seemed to realize he had put his foot in it, and the flip-flopping cranked up. He stammered: "The Bible itself - I mean, everything talks about different layers of development. That's what Roe v. Wade does. It talks about viability. It's the law of the land."

Yes, the Bible and Roe vs. Wade have so much in common."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/7/30/161529.shtml

 

[Marco]

Sorry, I don't see the hypocrisy in Kerry and his opinions about abortion....

If anything he is like most people on the planet, in that most people would agree that life starts at conception....

Where people differ, and where the real argument lies, is that some people think pregnancies should be carried to term, and others feel they shouldn't be stuck with a pregnancy, viewing it more as a means of birth control....

Kerry's acknowledgement that a fetus is a "form of life" does not demand that he should feel that that pregnancy should be carried to term ending with a birth.

There are two separate issues here and the anti-abortion people lobby to connect the two as one, while the pro-choice lobby to keep them separate.

 

[IDENTITY]

thank you, marco, for explaining the issue to this guy.

 

[GAMEFACE]

Kerry is a phony, he's on every side of every issue. Kerry stands for nothing except conning people to vote for him.

This clown voted for the war and is now against the war. He's been in the Senate for 20 freaking years and has accomplished nothing.

 

[Brazil4Worldcup2002]

Gameface:
I have to admit that you are right to a certain extent but seriously now, anybody is better than bush. hell if they put michael jackson against bush i'd vote for jackson.

 

[GAMEFACE]

A2345.

Nice job seeing the truth.

You are not American? Correct?

This whole anybody but Bush is a nice bumper sticker, however, Kerry is so much worse than Bush I'm certain America will stick with Bush.

 

[truthteller]

Most people on the planet don't believe that life begins at conception. Most of the pro-choicers will tell you that what is aborted is just a piece of tissue nothing more.

If the main argument was whether a woman has the right to take a baby's life because she doesn't want to take it to term, then it wouldn't be an arugument and abortion wouldn't be legal in many places. On that principle, she could take the same life minutes, hours, days after the baby was born and nothing could be done to her. However, if she does that she will be facing murder charges.

By judging Kerry on his own morals, the guy is legalising murder.

If you believe life begins at conception, then a life inside the womb is no different than one outside.

 

[Marco]

Quote: "If the main argument was whether a woman has the right to take a baby's life because she doesn't want to take it to term, then it wouldn't be an arugument and abortion wouldn't be legal in many place. On that principle, she could take the same life minutes, hours, days after the baby was born and nothing could be done to her. However, if she does that she will be facing murder charges."

The argument is whether or not a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy...hence we use the word "abortion"....as explained in the dictionary:

"Induced termination of pregnancy before the fetus can survive."

Your point that in that case the woman could kill the child hours or minutes after birth....there are laws regarding the time period in which a woman can terminate her pregnancy....clearly she would be facing murder charges because childbirth would be past that window allowed by law to terminate the pregnancy....

Quote: "If you believe life begins at conception, then a life inside the womb is no different than one on the outside."

Some people believe, and I would consider myself to be one of them, that life begins at conception, and that a woman has the right to terminate that pregnancy within a period of time.....we acknowledge that something has started there, and as a matter of women's rights and reproductive rights, women are given the option of carrying the pregnancy to term or ending it. The life inside the womb is different than one outside the womb, with fetus rights inside the womb encompassed by the greater rights of the pregnant woman carrying the fetus. As time passes viability of the fetus increases, as do the rights of the fetus. The life inside the womb is clearly different than one outside by simply looking at rights issues and issues of viability.

Quote: "By judging Kerry on his own morals, the guy is legalising murder."

I would say that you are judging Kerry based on YOUR OWN morality stance.....obviously Kerry doesn't agree with your stance on abortion, so you call it murder.....others who agree with Kerry on this issue would have no problem with his morals and would consider it something other than murder and more like birth control...it's all a matter of perspective based upon one's opinions.

 

[Shotgun]

Kerry values life...why else would he give mouth to mouth to a gerbil? He just values some lives over others.

I disagree with the pro-abortion crowd, but the ones that try to play it both ways are the ones that disgust me.

 

[truthteller]

The argument is whether Kerry on his own beliefs contradicts himself the way he votes.

Your argument that women should have rights to kill at certain stages of life would put Kerry in hot water if he held those beliefs.

Once you consider that from conception it's a LIFE, no one should have the right to snuff it out no matter the stage.

If he believes that life begins at conception, then he and all of his supporters must concede that everytime he voted to keep abortion legal, he has voted for the killing of human beings. He also voted to uphold Clinton's veto of the partial-birth abortion ban, sparing the lives of tiny human beings from a cruel form of death.

I am judging Kerry on his own beliefs not mine.

If I believe that slavery is wrong but I voted to keep it legal, wouldn't you say I was a hypocrite?

 

[barman]

TT: Most people on the planet don't believe that life begins at conception.

B: That's an accurate statement.

TT: Most of the pro-choicers will tell you that what is aborted is just a piece of tissue nothing more.

B: In most cases, yes. However in the less frequent cases where the fetus is 3-4 months old, the tissue might have little tissue fingers and little tissue toes. But basically, still tissue.

TT: If the main argument was whether a woman has the right to take a baby's life because she doesn't want to take it to term, then it wouldn't be an arugument and abortion wouldn't be legal in many places. On that principle, she could take the same life minutes, hours, days after the baby was born and nothing could be done to her. However, if she does that she will be facing murder charges.

B: Nope, the only 'argument' (it's not really an argument since the right to terminate a pregnancy will always exist within the U.S.) is whether a woman is free to terminate a pregnancy prior to a successful delivery.

And the only rational answer is YES, she should be permitted that Choice. Otherwise, we would have to charge her, the doctor who performed the procedure, any staff that participated, and any father or other family member who helped to finance the procedure with first degree homicide of a child and in my state - Florida - we would then have to publicly execute all convicted.

Given that choice of options, the American people as a whole have decided that allowing a woman her right to choose termination of a fetus is preferable to publicly executing anywhere from 3 to a dozen (or more) adult human beings each time an abortion was performed. In short, we're choosing between 800,000 aborted fetuses per year or somewhere between 5 and 10 million American adults being executed by the state each year.

TRUTHTELLER obviously believes it would be preferable to carry out all the public executions, so we leave the reader to determine which point of view is more rational, pragmatic and well....sane.

TT: If you believe life begins at conception, then a life inside the womb is no different than one outside.

B: It doesn't matter what I (or you) believe about when life begins. What matters is will we allow pregnant women to choose whether they deliver a fetus into full human life - with all its accompanying civil liberties and rights - or will we condone the public execution of ten million Americans per year.

TTELLER has staked his flag in the ground of Option B, while more rational thinkers continue to support Option A.

 

[WildBill]

I bet George doesn't think it is right to watch porn, but he doesn't think it is his place to block it (but Ass-croft probably does). There is a huge difference between having personal beliefs and values, but living in a diverse society where different beliefs have to be tolerated for the society to survive. Kerry has repeated this time and again and so have a bunch of people you will see speaking at the RNC. Giuliani has said almost exactly the same thing, his personal and religious beliefs are that abortion is wrong, but he still supports the rights of women to choose on their own without the government making dictates on this.

 

[truthteller]

There is a life and death difference between been able to watch porn and taking a baby's life.

I have no problem accepting different beliefs as long it doesn't affect anyone else but yourself. Watching porn doesn't do harm to another human being but an abortion does.

You say Kerry does not want to impose his beliefs on society. Yet, legislators have voted to make prostitution illegal, to punish those who use and/or sell drugs, and to ban child pornography. Each time they voted to criminalize the above, they sought to impose their moral beliefs upon people who disagree.

I can say the same thing about civil rights laws. When Kerry votes to outlaw discrimination against blacks, women and other minority groups, he is voting to impose his beliefs of what is right behaviour on those who think they should have the right not to do business with people based on their own personal beliefs.

However, with abortion we are not talking about gays not getting a job based their sexuality but if Kerry is right, we are talking about a killing.

 

[Marco]

Speaking of porn....why is it that whenever a porn shop opens there are protesters outside the shop and letters to the editor of local newspapers condemning such an opening, yet when a church opens up everything is business as usual, with no interference from outside sources.......could it be that liberals see a clear meaning and importance to the separation of church and state, and have more tolerance to diversity of culture, as opposed to thier staunch, conservative opposites?

While we're talking about women's rights, and how some people on this forum would like to do away with some of these rights......besides reproductive rights, maybe we could go back to the days when it was legal for a husband to beat his wife, when she couldn't vote, when it was legal to discriminate based on gender....and if that isn't enough, be sure to pass legislation making toekicks a mandatory feature on kitchen cabinets, just to be sure she can stand a little closer to the kitchen sink.

Maybe go back far enough to make a woman of modern middle east descent, and how crappy the women are treated there, think she's lucky when compared to a woman living in the United States.

 

[Massmilwaukee]

TT,

Why is that a doctor will let a Premy die if it is less than 300 grams?

Because son, the chance of that baby existing without serious, serious health problems for the rest of his life is 99 to 1.

Are those Doctors then guilty of murder? Should they have done more to extend the suffering?

I am really curious... of all the issues in this world that need addressing, why did you pick the one that has no bearing on the living, the suffering, the sick, the elderly, the impovershed, the malnurished, the homeless, people without jobs, the people without healthcare, or the dying? You chose one issue that is actually considered a freedom by many women and men. Are you against freedom? You are unamerican.

 

[UncleMoneybags]

I'll add my name to the list of people that would rather have 800,000 pieces of tissue than 5-10 million people. I don't believe people can use viability outside the womb as a shield because as technology advances so does the odds of survival for the tissue. In 100 years the tissue might be able to survive from day 1 outside the womb. Then what? Is it murder? I err on the side of humanity rather than the side of trash or inconvenience.

 

[Benassflick]

outandup you have been wrong on every issue. Remember you said things would change in Iraq now that Saddam was captuted. You're clueless.
Do you remember Bush said Iraq has WMD and you got sucked in.
Do you remember Bush sasid they had chemical weapons capable of launching in 15 minutes.
Your so guilable should I go on. Your a dim bulb my friend. The writting is on the wall it's a done deal already. Bush has lost this election.

 

[barman]

UMBAGS: I'll add my name to the list of people that would rather have 800,000 pieces of tissue than 5-10 million people.

B: Fortunately, you are in a great minority (those who would endorse the death penalty for women and anyone associated with an abortion).

UMB: I err on the side of humanity rather than the side of trash or inconvenience.

B: Wait, I thought you just said you were ok with executing 5-10 million otherwise law-abiding Americans a year. Aren't they human beings as much or more than is fetal tissue in the year 2004??

 

[truthteller]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Otherwise, we would have to charge her, the doctor who performed the procedure, any staff that participated, and any father or other family member who helped to finance the procedure with first degree homicide of a child and in my state - Florida - we would then have to publicly execute all convicted. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So we should only have laws that are based on convicting 1 person in a crime. If a law says that abortion is illegal, then everyone involved should be convicted. I bet most doctors wouldn't do the procedure if they knew it was going to land them in prison.

Do you see alot of doctors following Dr.Kevorkian?

 

[Massmilwaukee]

Yes, but not publicly.