Karl Rove… BO the candidate vs. BO the president

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By KARL ROVE

Barack Obama inherited a set of national-security policies that he rejected during the campaign but now embraces as president. This is a stunning and welcome about-face.

For example, President Obama kept George W. Bush's military tribunals for terror detainees after calling them an "enormous failure" and a "legal black hole." His campaign claimed last summer that "court systems . . . are capable of convicting terrorists." Upon entering office, he found out they aren't.

He insisted in an interview with NBC in 2007 that Congress mandate "consequences" for "a failure to meet various benchmarks and milestones" on aid to Iraq. Earlier this month he fought off legislatively mandated benchmarks in the $97 billion funding bill for Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mr. Obama agreed on April 23 to American Civil Liberties Union demands to release investigative photos of detainee abuse. Now's he reversed himself. Pentagon officials apparently convinced him that releasing the photos would increase the risk to U.S. troops and civilian personnel.

Throughout his presidential campaign, Mr. Obama excoriated Mr. Bush's counterinsurgency strategy in Iraq, insisting it could not succeed. Earlier this year, facing increasing violence in Afghanistan, Mr. Obama rejected warnings of a "quagmire" and ordered more troops to that country. He isn't calling it a "surge" but that's what it is. He is applying in Afghanistan the counterinsurgency strategy Mr. Bush used in Iraq.

As a candidate, Mr. Obama promised to end the Iraq war by withdrawing all troops by March 2009. As president, he set a slower pace of drawdown. He has also said he will leave as many as 50,000 Americans troops there.

These reversals are both praiseworthy and evidence that, when it comes to national security, being briefed on terror threats as president is a lot different than placating MoveOn.org and Code Pink activists as a candidate. The realities of governing trump the realities of campaigning.

We are also seeing Mr. Obama reverse himself on the domestic front, but this time in a manner that will do more harm than good.

Mr. Obama campaigned on "responsible fiscal policies," arguing in a speech on the Senate floor in 2006 that the "rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy." In his acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention, he pledged to "go through the federal budget line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work." Even now, he says he'll "cut the deficit . . . by half by the end of his first term in office" and is "rooting out waste and abuse" in the budget.

However, Mr. Obama's fiscally conservative words are betrayed by his liberal actions. He offers an orgy of spending and a bacchanal of debt. His budget plans a 25% increase in the federal government's share of the GDP, a doubling of the national debt in five years, and a near tripling of it in 10 years.

On health care, Mr. Obama's election ads decried "government-run health care" as "extreme," saying it would lead to "higher costs." Now he is promoting a plan that would result in a de facto government-run health-care system. Even the Washington Post questions it, saying, "It is difficult to imagine . . . benefits from a government-run system."

Making adjustments in office is one thing. Constantly governing in direct opposition to what you said as a candidate is something else. Mr. Obama's flip-flops on national security have been wise; on the domestic front, they have been harmful.

In both cases, though, we have learned something about Mr. Obama. What animated him during the campaign is what historian Forrest McDonald once called "the projection of appealing images." All politicians want to project an appealing image. What Mr. McDonald warned against is focusing on this so much that an appealing image "becomes a self-sustaining end unto itself." Such an approach can work in a campaign, as Mr. Obama discovered. But it can also complicate life once elected, as he is finding out.

Mr. Obama's appealing campaign images turned out to have been fleeting. He ran hard to the left on national security to win the nomination, only to discover the campaign commitments he made were shallow and at odds with America's security interests.

Mr. Obama ran hard to the center on economic issues to win the general election. He has since discovered his campaign commitments were obstacles to ramming through the most ideologically liberal economic agenda since the Great Society.

Mr. Obama either had very little grasp of what governing would involve or, if he did, he used words meant to mislead the public. Neither option is particularly encouraging. America now has a president quite different from the person who advertised himself for the job last year. Over time, those things can catch up to a politician.


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I think most candidates have these grandiose plans on what they would do if elected POTUS. I think reality sets in once elected that most of the time those plans become only dreams.
 

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It's gotta suck being Karl Rove and knowing that your time in the national spotlight may well have expired.

Hopefully he'll find work and play that will prove satisfying for him during the coming years.
 
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It's gotta suck being Karl Rove and knowing that your time in the national spotlight may well have expired.

Hopefully he'll find work and play that will prove satisfying for him during the coming years.

So... ignore what the guy is saying, but instead hope and wish to yourself
that the guy's life sucks?

Interesting tack.

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It's gotta suck being Karl Rove and knowing that your time in the national spotlight may well have expired.

Hopefully he'll find work and play that will prove satisfying for him during the coming years.

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So... ignore what the guy is saying, but instead hope and wish to yourself
that the guy's life sucks?

Interesting tack.

:think2:


Fantastic point Zit. Like all lefties Barman and his ilk have no answers except throw more government money at the problem. When you get them cornered in a debate their only answer is DICK CHENEY.

They enjoy their right to kill unborn babies, while wanting to end the death penalty for mass murdering child rapists.

When BO said he was for change, that meant change his mind as much as he needs to. As long as he has the media kissing up to him he will continue to get away with it.

I can only imagine if President McCain had made fun of the special olympics or he had his own version of Wanda Sykes the D list, lesbian hoping for Chris Matthews to have kidney failure. Olberman and Maddow would have field day. What conservative would get invited to Cal Berkeley to give a graduation speech? None. Of course the president of Iran is welcome at our Ivy league schools.

I was no fan of Bush 43, but this guy is much worse.


 

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Tards should not be off limits for being the occasional foil for humor. We all get skewered at one time or another. What makes them the exception?

And come now....No one wants to see Chris Matthews's kidneys fail, so of course that would not be funny.

Be back in a little bit.

Have to cap out tonight's MLB card and of course write another half dozen letters to our elected officials telling them to not execute "mass murdering child rapists"




(are there actually any mass murdering child rapists on death row anywhere in the US?)
 

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As for observations that I "ignore Rove's message", that's pretty much par for the course in my house.

Unless the critic can lay out a believeable alternative plan to counter that which he criticizes, I'm usually not very interested in their rant - whether it originate from the right, the left or any point in between.

Given that Rove's history suggests he'll not be in any kind of position to institute such alternative change for at least another four to eight years, he gets bunched in with most all other sideline wannabes which we all encounter across the political spectrum.
 

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It's gotta suck being Karl Rove and knowing that your time in the national spotlight may well have expired.

Hopefully he'll find work and play that will prove satisfying for him during the coming years.

At least he had 8 years in the national spotlight. What’s your excuse? Oh and by the way I doubt he’ll be selling Amway and cutting grass to satisfy his life during coming years.
 

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I pay the same amount of attention to what Rove has to say as you pay to the Huffington press.

The difference is, that I dont read the Huffington press or any other liberal media except I do watch Bill Moyers on Friday so my guess is that most of you rat wangers spend twice as many hours per day on conservative press as i do a week with liberal press.
 

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At least he had 8 years in the national spotlight. What’s your excuse? Oh and by the way I doubt he’ll be selling Amway and cutting grass to satisfy his life during coming years.
and what do you do for a living and give us your oh so meaningful posts?.........dont call the pot black kettle
 

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At least he had 8 years in the national spotlight. What’s your excuse? Oh and by the way I doubt he’ll be selling Amway and cutting grass to satisfy his life during coming years.

Ya never know. People who work the Amway Global business model to high success make a lot of jack and if Rove's current financial feeds start runnin' thin......heh

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Oh, if we're going to compare Rove's influence on the national scene over my own, he likely gets the nod.

But nonetheless, the interest of the public at large in his complaints about President Obama likely is no more or less than they would be in my own were I to start circulating a passionately written OPED on the same topic
 

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and what do you do for a living and give us your oh so meaningful posts?.........dont call the pot black kettle

Ayuh...

VegasDave is more often one of our more level headed forum participants - one how understands that we're not actually into much high-impact social commentary here at the Rx PoliticoPub

Not sure why one in a long series of chippy posts by me triggered his personally directed gripe above.

It's all good.

When I finally make it out to LV, he's still having at least a couple drinks on me. And I'm going to figure out a way to charge off the bar tab to the Florida Democratic party so as to further smooth his attitude over.
 

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Ayuh...

VegasDave is more often one of our more level headed forum participants - one how understands that we're not actually into much high-impact social commentary here at the Rx PoliticoPub

Not sure why one in a long series of chippy posts by me triggered his personally directed gripe above.

It's all good.

When I finally make it out to LV, he's still having at least a couple drinks on me. And I'm going to figure out a way to charge off the bar tab to the Florida Democratic party so as to further smooth his attitude over.
i get that.....you give an opinion on carl rove he personally attacks you......right wing norm i know........i am getting used to it
 
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i get that.....you give an opinion on carl rove he personally attacks you......right wing norm i know........i am getting used to it

As if there isn't an equal amount of personal attacks, and
BS political rhetoric on both sides of the two major parties in
our country's shitty government?

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I don’t do anything for a living. I retired 8 years ago.

You're still drinking my drinks when we get a shared table, damnit


I'm about 70/30 for being able to do the RxBash in August
 

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