since you absolutely have no idea what the term neocon is or to whom it should be applied, here's a bit of a lesson for you that your lib friends did not teach you.
Here are various definitions from well known political media figures and, not shockingly, they'll prove you are completely using the term incorrectly. Really is time to put this term to rest unless you know what the hell it really means, which you clearly do NOT.
Rich Lowry is editor of National Review. Paul Weyrich is chairman and CEO of the Free Congress Foundation. Paul Gigot is editor of The Wall Street Journal's editorial page.
Rich Lowry: Historically, 30 years ago it meant a former liberal who became a conservative. The cliche was because "they were mugged by reality," but it was because they saw the empirical failures of liberal welfare, state and foreign policies, and they were therefore less ideological than other conservatives and brought much more of a social science background to their argumentation
Paul Weyrich: They are mostly ex-liberals, by and large out of the intellectual community. These are people who came to the realization that modern liberalism was not the kind of liberalism that they had subscribed to.
Paul Gigot: I think of neoconservatism as having a very specific meaning related to history. That is, the neoconservatives were people who in the 1970s were former liberals, in some cases socialists, who moved right in reaction to the left's shift on cultural mores, personal responsibility and foreign policy.
George Will: Neoconservatives are persons who in domestic policy often were former Democrats who felt that conservatives had erred in not accepting the post-New Deal role of the central government. They were in their early incarnation focusing on domestic policy and were distinguishing themselves from Goldwater conservatives.
Rolltide, while your definitions may apply to what the term formerly meant, today its meaning is a little different, I believe: "Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States. Its key distinction is in international affairs, where it espouses an interventionist approach that seeks to defend national interests." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
This is also what the legendary Joe Contrarian, who expressly called himself a neocon, believed in. I don't think Joe C. ever was a liberal.
Actually, even though I know it is not quite correct, in this forum for me a neocon is "someone with right-leaning political views who argues as irrationally as Joe C."
This is also what the legendary Joe Contrarian, who expressly called himself a neocon, believed in. I don't think Joe C. ever was a liberal.
Actually, even though I know it is not quite correct, in this forum for me a neocon is "someone with right-leaning political views who argues as irrationally as Joe C."
I don't believe Obama is close to the fleabag governor. It's just that this on top of his other weird associations draws more attention than it should.
At most / worst, somebody in the Obama camp may have been aware the Governor was seeking favors for the post and said nothing about it.
At most / worst, somebody in the Obama camp may have been aware the Governor was seeking favors for the post and said nothing about it.
preussen please don't ever use wikipedia when attempting to prove a point...a neocon has been, and always will be, someone with current conservative tendencies that are much different than a Goldwater Conservative in that they believe in big government and government intervention, which are traditionally leftist views. GWB could not be a more appropriate example of a neo-con even though he may not have ever been a registered Dem.
I am about as far from a neo-con as you can get but 20-somethings like 3peet just have no idea what the term really means. As far as wikipedia I'm sure you know that is not an official source for information but rather a page for the misinformed to become truly misinformed since it's written by folks like 3peet. If not, well, you know now
I am about as far from a neo-con as you can get but 20-somethings like 3peet just have no idea what the term really means. As far as wikipedia I'm sure you know that is not an official source for information but rather a page for the misinformed to become truly misinformed since it's written by folks like 3peet. If not, well, you know now
Is this more credible to you?
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<TAB_HERE />U.S. political movement. It originated in the 1960s among conservatives and some liberals who were repelled by or disillusioned with what they viewed as the political and cultural trends of the time, including leftist political radicalism, lack of respect for authority and tradition, and hedonistic and immoral lifestyles. Neoconservatives generally advocate a free-market economy with minimum taxation and government economic regulation; strict limits on government-provided social-welfare programs; and a strong military supported by large defense budgets. Neoconservatives also believe that government policy should respect the importance of traditional institutions such as religion and the family. Unlike most conservatives of earlier generations, neoconservatives maintain that the United States should take an active role in world affairs, though they are generally suspicious of international institutions, such as the United Nations and the World Court, whose authority could intrude upon American sovereignty or limit the country's freedom to act in its own interests.
