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Judge says US can hold detainees indefinitely

A Bush appointed judge ruled late Tuesday night that the United States can hold detainees for an indefinite period.

The opinion issued by U.S. District Judge John Bates “limited the Obama administration’s definition of who can be held,” Nedra Pickler reports for the Associated Press. “But he said Congress in the days after Sept. 11, 2001 gave the president the authority to hold anyone involved in planning, aiding or carrying out the terrorist attacks.”

“Bates’ opinion comes amid increasing debate over whether President Barack Obama is going to release anyone from Guantanamo. Obama has promised to close the prison by January, but Senate Democrats say they will block the move until he comes up with a plan for the detainees,” the AP notes.

The AP quotes ACLU attorney Jonathan Hafetz as saying that the opinion “flouts the Constitution’s prohibition against indefinite detention without charge.”

“The decision wrongly concludes that terrorism suspects at Guantanamo may continue to languish in military detention rather than being prosecuted in our civilian courts,” Hafetz said. “Like the president’s recent decision to revive military commissions, this ruling perpetuates rather than ends the failed experiment in lawlessness that is Guantanamo.”

Bates was tapped for the District Court seat by former President George W. Bush a week before 9/11 in 2001. He was selected to join the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court just the other day.

A pdf of the decision can be found at this link: http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/bates-on-detention-power-5-19-09.pdf
 

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not many of our amendments mean much anymore...just wax all of them
 

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Give them all a lawyer, give them all a trial, imprison the ones you convict, deport the ones you don't, and move on.
 

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Give them all a lawyer, give them all a trial, imprison the ones you convict, deport the ones you don't, and move on.
Kudos to that. Why the hell do they need 80 million to close the base? If they don't intent using it anymore, let it rot.
 

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$333,000 Plus for each inmate to relocate and close the prison. Seems a little high. Agree with previous two posts.
 

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They need to be left in jail so they don't hurt the people. We should put them in a big spaceship and sent the spaceship into space and let it hover their in perpetuity. This will keep the people safe in my opinion.


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Just kill all the bastards before they kill us...while they're at it, take care of the ACLU m-f*ckers, too...
 

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Indict those who ordered the imprisonment of people, especially American(s) (i.e. Jose Padilla), without charges and holding them without any representation or trial.


Give them all a lawyer, give them all a trial, imprison the ones you convict, deport the ones you don't, and move on.
 

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Two Points:

1) Constitution applies to US Citizens

2) Did your great grandpappy right a letter to the editor when Lincoln said "FU" to Habeas Corpus?
 

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he made his citation, don't blame him

If Obama wants to change the law, he should have his lapdogs in Congress revoke the bill that authorizes their retention

I'm fairly certain a different set of rules applies to POW's and terrorists, as it should be
 

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Why would Obama want to revoke the law? Pay attention.. Obama is all for jailing people with no charges, evidence presented, lawyer, expectation of a real trial.

I notice you didn't say it matters if the people accused of being terrorists are Americans. Where do you stand on that?



he made his citation, don't blame him

If Obama wants to change the law, he should have his lapdogs in Congress revoke the bill that authorizes their retention

I'm fairly certain a different set of rules applies to POW's and terrorists, as it should be
 

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Why would Obama want to revoke the law? Pay attention.. Obama is all for jailing people with no charges, evidence presented, lawyer, expectation of a real trial.

I notice you didn't say it matters if the people accused of being terrorists are Americans. Where do you stand on that?

well the topic of the day is that Obama wants to change Gitmo and have trials, so I am paying attention

If the individuals being held are US citizens, I think they should be given their due process within a reasonable period of time. That doesn't necessarily mean the same treatment as the common criminal. I also believe this represents a very, very, very few people.
 

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Sigh, we are still blaming Bush for shit? Who cares if the judge was Bush appointed? Blame the judge, not Bush.
 

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Sigh, we are still blaming Bush for shit? Who cares if the judge was Bush appointed? Blame the judge, not Bush.

Liberals can’t do that, it’s a fallback mechanism. When all else fails blame Bush, even if it doesn’t fail blame him anyway, reflux action.
 

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