Why doesn't he go to the American Embassy in France and renounce his U.S. citizenship if he feels so strongly. If he did that, I'd have to say "Wow. Now there's a man that believes in something. He talks the talk and walks the walk."
Oh wait, that would cost him too much income in the long run.
Everyone loves to oppose America, but they can't seem to muster the courage to oppose American money. Speaking in terms of political ideology, it makes them look like whores, in a way. Or maybe the son of rich parents, who hates his parents but just can't make it on his own without their money.
That goes for countries as well as individuals.
Oh wait, that would cost him too much income in the long run.
Everyone loves to oppose America, but they can't seem to muster the courage to oppose American money. Speaking in terms of political ideology, it makes them look like whores, in a way. Or maybe the son of rich parents, who hates his parents but just can't make it on his own without their money.
That goes for countries as well as individuals.
So, you're telling me that those who spend US dollars can't criticize US policy and worse if they have a US passport?
What an oppressive conscience you have.
I might agree with you if there weren't a difference between a country and its government. This is what enables a citizen (born/naturalized in a particular country) to criticize his government.
Fight for your country, always. Fight against corporate monopoly of industry and the further homogenization of the landscape.
But fight for your government, never.
What an oppressive conscience you have.
I might agree with you if there weren't a difference between a country and its government. This is what enables a citizen (born/naturalized in a particular country) to criticize his government.
Fight for your country, always. Fight against corporate monopoly of industry and the further homogenization of the landscape.
But fight for your government, never.
Sure everyone has a right to voice their opinions. I respect Depp's his opinions on the war, government, so forth.
It was the part alluding to the U.S. as a broken toy, advising one to "investigate a bit, check it out, get this feeling and then get out", that pissed me off. Now I'm exercising MY right to MY opinion. That seemed like a pointless "dig."
Maybe he felt the need to cover his ass, being an American living in France. That's an impression I'm getting.
I'll look into the oppressive conscience thing.
It was the part alluding to the U.S. as a broken toy, advising one to "investigate a bit, check it out, get this feeling and then get out", that pissed me off. Now I'm exercising MY right to MY opinion. That seemed like a pointless "dig."
Maybe he felt the need to cover his ass, being an American living in France. That's an impression I'm getting.
I'll look into the oppressive conscience thing.
is a march to his own drummer type of person. He has become a multi-millionaire as a popular but off-beat Hollywood star. I don't think any comments made in this interview should be taken to seriously. btw. He recently adopted Goldeneye, the one-eyed Andalusian horse who played Gunpowder, Ichabod Crane's steed, from the movie Sleepy Hollow, thereby saving him from the glue factory. As an actor, I for one, enjoy his work. Check out the movie "Blow" his true story role of an American druggie, it was critically acclaimed. IMO. his politics are of no consequence.
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Everyone loves to oppose America, but they can't seem to muster the courage to oppose American money.
what bullsit!! i am quite happy to "oppose American money,"
like Sean Penn i am happy to support Depp as a great ( fantastic ) actor / entertainer prepared to oppose his gov't.
great post RFC ( and wilheim -- but i would pay a bit more attention to what he says ).
what bullsit!! i am quite happy to "oppose American money,"
like Sean Penn i am happy to support Depp as a great ( fantastic ) actor / entertainer prepared to oppose his gov't.
great post RFC ( and wilheim -- but i would pay a bit more attention to what he says ).
Wlhelm.....I knew Blow was going to kick ass the moment I saw the previews. Sleepy Hollow was fun and creepy and Hell was worth it too. Don Juan Demarco with (an overweight) Marlon Brando. I liked Chocolate....but Fear and Loathing for me was my favorite role played by him....Benecio del Toro was unforgetable in that one. The knife in the elevator was my favorite scene.
I'll be going to see him in Pirates of the Caribbean too, the bastard. He has a knack for selecting the right films to do. He's always seems to play a slightly unusual character as well. He's one of my faves. Him and the Guy with the plate in his head from Chainsaw Massacre Part II.(That was a joke)
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I'll be going to see him in Pirates of the Caribbean too, the bastard. He has a knack for selecting the right films to do. He's always seems to play a slightly unusual character as well. He's one of my faves. Him and the Guy with the plate in his head from Chainsaw Massacre Part II.(That was a joke)
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when i responded i was speaking re principle rather than anything specific but i have done so, i thought from Oct 2 years ago, but when i went to check it was longer ago.
posted 01 September 2000 07:26 AM
before maldives went long the euro @ .9041 for us8m.
last night did another 7m @ .8880.
current about .8899.
now the EUR is 1.083 having been as high as $1.19 5 months ago.
i live on the "pacific rim" like Tu Li Ming but 3 years ago lived further north in a country whose exchange rate was tied to the USD.
since then i have been systemically converting my assets ( for economic reasosn ) to EUR & GBP and since 911 have been moving my funds out of the US, where virtually all were held even when in EUR, due to opposition to US foreign policy.
with a combined budget / trade deficit around 9% of GDP i expect the USD will continue to crash just like the NASDAQ.
posted 01 September 2000 07:26 AM
before maldives went long the euro @ .9041 for us8m.
last night did another 7m @ .8880.
current about .8899.
now the EUR is 1.083 having been as high as $1.19 5 months ago.
i live on the "pacific rim" like Tu Li Ming but 3 years ago lived further north in a country whose exchange rate was tied to the USD.
since then i have been systemically converting my assets ( for economic reasosn ) to EUR & GBP and since 911 have been moving my funds out of the US, where virtually all were held even when in EUR, due to opposition to US foreign policy.
with a combined budget / trade deficit around 9% of GDP i expect the USD will continue to crash just like the NASDAQ.
There's nothing wrong with what he said.
I don't understand why I have to keep reminding conservs here that questioning the government is an essential part of a healthy democracy.
Our founding fathers questioned taxation without representation, women questioned not being allowed to vote, blacks questioned segregation, etc.
Questioning the government, if anything, is patriotic.
I don't understand why I have to keep reminding conservs here that questioning the government is an essential part of a healthy democracy.
Our founding fathers questioned taxation without representation, women questioned not being allowed to vote, blacks questioned segregation, etc.
Questioning the government, if anything, is patriotic.
Totally agree with you Kaya Man, right on the money!!! We should question our government more. Its better to see people voice their opinions ( like him and Dixie Chicks ) and say what a lot of us think. Even if you don't agree, it is his right to say it and I respect him for having the balls to do it.
I also agree with American, he is one of my fav actors. Did you like Ed Wood ? Blow was fantastic !
I also agree with American, he is one of my fav actors. Did you like Ed Wood ? Blow was fantastic !
I also think it's good to speak one's mind, and I don't think my position on questioning the government could be any more clear, but for the record, Depp himself claims that he was misquoted in the interview:
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In a statement Thursday, the 40-year-old actor complained that "the inaccurate and out of context misquote" was "virulently spreading in the news."
"It is a shame that the metaphor I used was taken so radically out of context and slung about irresponsibly by the news media," Depp said.
"There was no anti-American sentiment. In fact, it was just the opposite," he said. "I am an American. I love my country and have great hopes for it. It is for this reason that I speak candidly and sometimes critically about it. I have benefited greatly from the freedom that exists in my country and for this I am eternally grateful."
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Story here.
While it's true that Depp could be simply backpedaling, I do not consider it likely:
1) he is not a politician
2) the bulk of his fan base surely would not be put off by the remarks
3) most celebrities whose remarks have made them look plainly foolish for some damned reason think this is a cue to say them over again, only louder (see: Garofalo, Mr. and Mrs. Susan Sarandon, et al)
4) Given the overall level of anti-American sentiment in Germany right now, and the tendency for media outlets to be media outlets no matter what language they speak, it would not be hard to imagine the magazine distorting Depp's words so as to say to their readers, "Zee, look, even popular rich American Idol Depp does hate ze Bush!"
Phaedrus
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In a statement Thursday, the 40-year-old actor complained that "the inaccurate and out of context misquote" was "virulently spreading in the news."
"It is a shame that the metaphor I used was taken so radically out of context and slung about irresponsibly by the news media," Depp said.
"There was no anti-American sentiment. In fact, it was just the opposite," he said. "I am an American. I love my country and have great hopes for it. It is for this reason that I speak candidly and sometimes critically about it. I have benefited greatly from the freedom that exists in my country and for this I am eternally grateful."
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Story here.
While it's true that Depp could be simply backpedaling, I do not consider it likely:
1) he is not a politician
2) the bulk of his fan base surely would not be put off by the remarks
3) most celebrities whose remarks have made them look plainly foolish for some damned reason think this is a cue to say them over again, only louder (see: Garofalo, Mr. and Mrs. Susan Sarandon, et al)
4) Given the overall level of anti-American sentiment in Germany right now, and the tendency for media outlets to be media outlets no matter what language they speak, it would not be hard to imagine the magazine distorting Depp's words so as to say to their readers, "Zee, look, even popular rich American Idol Depp does hate ze Bush!"
Phaedrus
I guess I wasn't the only one annoyed by those remarks. Out of context...who knows? The thing that was annoying was the negative broad strokes he painted with the "dumb puppy" and "broken toy" analogies. It sounded more like name calling the U.S. and less like criticizm of government policy, although liberals will welcome anyone into the fold regardless of what they say as long as it's anti-U.S., anti-Bush or anti-government.
I agree with points 1, 3 and 4. The statement "the bulk of his fan base surely would not be put off by the remarks" is true only because his fan base probably has an average age of 15 years old, and aren't aware of them. As far as his adult fan base goes, there was a significant enough backlash from him to employ damage control. Not many people were happy about it, and it got WAY more publicity than it should have, from newspapers to political talk shows.
Leave it up to those Nazi bastards to start shit again.
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I agree with points 1, 3 and 4. The statement "the bulk of his fan base surely would not be put off by the remarks" is true only because his fan base probably has an average age of 15 years old, and aren't aware of them. As far as his adult fan base goes, there was a significant enough backlash from him to employ damage control. Not many people were happy about it, and it got WAY more publicity than it should have, from newspapers to political talk shows.
Leave it up to those Nazi bastards to start shit again.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Why doesn't he go to the American Embassy in France and renounce his U.S. citizenship if he feels so strongly. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, considering his American passport is his only passport, he would be left with nothing. He wouldnt even have a right to live in France for more than probably 6 months of the year. Being without a passport gives a person no rights, they turn into basically a refugee - kinda like the Palestinians.
Well, considering his American passport is his only passport, he would be left with nothing. He wouldnt even have a right to live in France for more than probably 6 months of the year. Being without a passport gives a person no rights, they turn into basically a refugee - kinda like the Palestinians.
"although liberals will welcome anyone into the fold regardless of what they say as long as it's anti-U.S., anti-Bush or anti-government."
Actually what you are misunderstanding is that libs are more like to support free speech and ideas, repubs or at least the current bunch are more apt to be blind followers.
"Leave it up to those Nazi bastards to start shit again."
The current administration in the U.S. resembles the Nazi party more than any lib.
Actually what you are misunderstanding is that libs are more like to support free speech and ideas, repubs or at least the current bunch are more apt to be blind followers.
"Leave it up to those Nazi bastards to start shit again."
The current administration in the U.S. resembles the Nazi party more than any lib.
