J Jones as a fighter vs DC

[ANOTHERDAY]

First off, I never cared for Jones and I have much dislike for the guy personally. I've been involved in MMA/boxing for 30+ years, so I will get to the point. Jones is a true HW who fails to fight in his own division. Yes, he has the great ability to drop much weight and put it back on (drug induced or not) in time. DC is a true HW and has fought some of the best in HW and beat them easily. Him coming down is not easy, but for Jones, he knows along with Dana that he would have no shot in the HW division. If you look back on all the fighters Jones beat, they were all smaller than him and some were 185 fighters who moved up to 205. His weight, height, and reach is all he had/has. He either had a draw with Gus or Gus beat him,...Gus was almost his exact size in height and reach and looked how that fight turned out. Be a man and fight in your own division, but HW would prove unlucky for him. He has spared with Alister and Arlovski, he was thrown and with ease. If he beats DC, it will be slim margin at best. He will not hurt DC. I believe DC is the all around better fighter career wise simple because of what he did in HW and what he is doing in LHW. Jones would not be able to beat any of the top 8 HW fighters. He would lose 13/15 of those fights I believe...


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4	Junior Dos Santos
5	Francis Ngannou
6	Mark Hunt
7	Derrick Lewis
8	Alexander Volkov
9	Stefan Struve
10	Marcin Tybura
11	Aleksei Oleinik
12	Tim Johnson
13	Andrei Arlovski
14	Travis Browne
15	Curtis Blaydes

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[NewYorkKnight]

LOL at people with this "fight in your own division" talk.

 

[NewYorkKnight]

You can only make the HW point if Jones has trouble / struggles making 205 ........ Never does.

 

[NewYorkKnight]

Also ... who are these great HW's you speak of that DC beat ??


Lucus Browne ?
Tony Johnson ?
Soa Palelei ?
Jeff Monson ?
Josh Barnett ?
Bigfoot Silva ?
Roy Nelson ?
Frank Mir ?


lol ... Jones would spark all those guys

 

[ANOTHERDAY]

Also ... who are these great HW's you speak of that DC beat ??


Lucus Browne ?
Tony Johnson ?
Soa Palelei ?
Jeff Monson ?
Josh Barnett ?
Bigfoot Silva ?
Roy Nelson ?
Frank Mir ?


lol ... Jones would spark all those guys

He would lose 7 out of those 8. You have no idea the strength/power difference between LWH and HW and Jones has neither.

 

[NewYorkKnight]

I know the difference and no way would he lose 7 out of 8 ... never. That's just silly talk.

You are biased against Jones to begin with, so of course you're right and I'm wrong about this topic.

Also IMO, Jones would beat more guys on that top 16 list than Fat Dan would.

 

[ANOTHERDAY]

Except for DC, all these other guys were mostly 185-205 at best

Win	22–1	Ovince Saint Preux	Decision (unanimous)	UFC 197	April 23, 2016	5	5:00	Las Vegas, Nevada, United States	Won the interim UFC Light Heavyweight Championship. Later stripped of the title.
Win	21–1	Daniel Cormier	Decision (unanimous)	UFC 182	January 3, 2015	5	5:00	Las Vegas, Nevada, United States	Defended the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship. Fight of the Night. Later stripped of the title.
Win	20–1	Glover Teixeira	Decision (unanimous)	UFC 172	April 26, 2014	5	5:00	Baltimore, Maryland, United States	Defended the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship.
Win	19–1	Alexander Gustafsson	Decision (unanimous)	UFC 165	September 21, 2013	5	5:00	Toronto, Ontario, Canada	Defended the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship. Fight of the Night.
Win	18–1	Chael Sonnen	TKO (elbows and punches)	UFC 159	April 27, 2013	1	4:33	Newark, New Jersey, United States	Defended the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship.
Win	17–1	Vitor Belfort	Submission (americana)	UFC 152	September 22, 2012	4	0:54	Toronto, Ontario, Canada	Defended the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship. Submission of the Night.
Win	16–1	Rashad Evans	Decision (unanimous)	UFC 145	April 21, 2012	5	5:00	Atlanta, Georgia, United States	Defended the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship.
Win	15–1	Lyoto Machida	Technical Submission (standing guillotine choke)	UFC 140	December 10, 2011	2	4:26	Toronto, Ontario, Canada	Defended the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship. Fight of the Night.
Win	14–1	Quinton Jackson	Submission (rear-naked choke)	UFC 135	September 24, 2011	4	1:14	Denver, Colorado, United States	Defended the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship. Fight of the Night.
Win	13–1	Maurício Rua	TKO (punches and knees)	UFC 128	March 19, 2011	3	2:37	Newark, New Jersey, United States	Won the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship.
Win	12–1	Ryan Bader	Submission (guillotine choke)	UFC 126	February 5, 2011	2	4:20	Las Vegas, Nevada, United States	Submission of the Night.
Win	11–1	Vladimir Matyushenko	TKO (elbows)	UFC Live: Jones vs. Matyushenko	August 1, 2010	1	1:52	San Diego, California, United States
Win	10–1	Brandon Vera	TKO (elbow and punches)	UFC Live: Vera vs. Jones	March 21, 2010	1	3:19	Broomfield, Colorado, United States	Knockout of the Night.
Loss	9–1	Matt Hamill	DQ (illegal elbows)	The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights Finale	December 5, 2009	1	4:14	Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
Win	9–0	Jake O'Brien	Submission (guillotine choke)	UFC 100	July 11, 2009	2	2:43	Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
Win	8–0	Stephan Bonnar	Decision (unanimous)	UFC 94	January 31, 2009	3	5:00	Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
Win	7–0	André Gusmão	Decision (unanimous)	UFC 87	August 9, 2008	3	5:00	Minneapolis, Minnesota, United States
Win	6–0	Moyses Gabin	TKO (punches)	Battle Cage Xtreme 5	July 12, 2008	2	1:58	Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States	Won the USKBA Light Heavyweight Championship.
Win	5–0	Parker Porter	KO (punch)	World Championship Fighting 3	June 20, 2008	1	0:36	Wilmington, Massachusetts, United States
Win	4–0	Ryan Verrett	TKO (punches)	USFL: War in the Woods 3	May 9, 2008	1	0:14	Ledyard, Connecticut, United States
Win	3–0	Anthony Pina	Submission (guillotine choke)	Ice Fighter	April 25, 2008	1	1:15	Worcester, Massachusetts, United States
Win	2–0	Carlos Eduardo	KO (punch)	Battle Cage Xtreme 4	April 19, 2008	3	0:24	Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States	Light Heavyweight debut.
Win	1–0	Brad Bernard

 

[ANOTHERDAY]

I know the difference and no way would he lose 7 out of 8 ... never. That's just silly talk.

You are biased against Jones to begin with, so of course you're right and I'm wrong about this topic.

Also IMO, Jones would beat more guys on that top 16 list than Fat Dan would.

Why isn't he there? The HW belt is where it is at. He is asking for Brock, he would get killed. That's stupid talk

Alister and AA threw him with ease, but no one wants to mention that either.

In December, Jones said he wants “to challenge for the heavyweight title.”
“I know that I’m capable,” he told Joe Rogan on his podcast. “I just want to make sure I compete against the right stylistic matchup for me when I go to heavyweight and challenge for that title.”

"right stylistic matchup"azzkick(&^

 

[NewYorkKnight]

Why isn't he there? Because its not his weight division that's why.

All the guys he beat of course were 185-205 (give or take) ... that's the size of most fighters that fight LHW

He has owned 205 and the only reason you want him at HW is because you don't like him and want to see him lose.

 

[NewYorkKnight]

Also HW belt is where its at???

It's by far the worst division in the UFC

 

[MMUSH]

Jones wins easy.... my 2 cents. Don't really understand ur reasoning and fight math at all but appreciate ur angle.
He did already beat him. Not that it means he can't lose.

 

[bigwang]

You've been involved with mma for 30 years and you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[NewYorkKnight]

first off, i never cared for jones and i have much dislike for the guy personally. I've been involved in mma/boxing for 30+ years, so i will get to the point. Jones is a true hw who fails to fight in his own division. Yes, he has the great ability to drop much weight and put it back on (drug induced or not) in time. Dc is a true hw and has fought some of the best in hw and beat them easily. Him coming down is not easy, but for jones, he knows along with dana that he would have no shot in the hw division. If you look back on all the fighters jones beat, they were all smaller than him and some were 185 fighters who moved up to 205. His weight, height, and reach is all he had/has. He either had a draw with gus or gus beat him,...gus was almost his exact size in height and reach and looked how that fight turned out. Be a man and fight in your own division, but hw would prove unlucky for him. He has spared with alister and arlovski, he was thrown and with ease. If he beats dc, it will be slim margin at best. He will not hurt dc. I believe dc is the all around better fighter career wise simple because of what he did in hw and what he is doing in lhw. Jones would not be able to beat any of the top 8 hw fighters. He would lose 13/15 of those fights i believe...


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fuking idiot

 

[NewYorkKnight]

 

[NewYorkKnight]

 

[ANOTHERDAY]

You've been involved with mma for 30 years and you have no clue what you are talking about.

When he moves to HW, then come talk to me

 

[PatsFan1283]

How does AD only have 3k posts? I feel like I've read some version of "Jones is overrated because XYZ" from him atleast 2,900 times. "

"If he beats DC, it will be slim margin at best. He will not hurt DC." CHECK

Next up "He is asking for Brock. He would get killed."

Gotta be right eventually.

 

[NewYorkKnight]

 

[ANOTHERDAY]

How does AD only have 3k posts? I feel like I've read some version of "Jones is overrated because XYZ" from him atleast 2,900 times. "

"If he beats DC, it will be slim margin at best. He will not hurt DC." CHECK

Next up "He is asking for Brock. He would get killed."

Gotta be right eventually.

Your the close friend of that sissy Pats QB right?

DC was hurt once in 8 rounds, so be it. Talk to me when he fights in HW. Brock will be 41 if they fight, too old in the game for him

 

[PatsFan1283]

You just said Brock would kill him a few days ago. Now a few days later, he's "too old".....Way to keep that conviction.

Funny how that works once that the fight is a legit possibility. Good job walking it back.