I hope you are right...Biden only brings negatives...no upside.
Biden's a loose cannon waiting to go off at the least opportune moment. :thumbsup:
I can't believe Obama didn't pick Hillary.
But even more astonishing is that the Clintons will OWN Denver on multiple nights next week. Hillary will speak Tuesday and Bill on Wednesday. There will also be a roll call among the delegates and Americans will get to see just how close the race really is -- how potentially embarassing for the Obamas. What if Hillary wins? The Clintons are running the DNC this year. :lol:
If Obama doesn't have the backbone to stand up to a losing opponent in the primaries at home, how in the world is he going to materialize the testicular fortitude to stare down all the world's bullies abroad?
I can just picture Obama selling out an ally like Poland sometime in the future when Putin threatens to invade them. No problem, Vladimir, those American missiles will be out by next Thurs -- you have my word. My fellow Americans, getting along with our "friends and allies" and restoring America's good name means sometimes we have to make sacrifices and concessions. If only Bush hadn't been such a cowboy, none of this would have been necessary.
Imagine if this clown ever gets elected?
hno:Obama-Biden 2008. Has to be one of the weakest, most pathetic tickets of all time. :missingte
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - I've recently spoken with two of the finalists for the role of Barack Obama's running-mate, and to two other sources who are close to the process.
My bottom line is this: Barring a big surprise or last-minute change of heart, the choice is likely to be Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.
He is a lively and feisty if unpredictable campaigner with working-class roots and a street-level feel for the hot spots of the globe — which he can use to go toe-to-toe with Sen. John McCain.
"If I had to bet my life on it, I'd bet it is Joe," said one of the other contenders.
Said another, "Barack is moving toward a seasoned Beltway type, and that probably means Biden."
And a source personally close to Obama simply said "Biden makes the most sense."
One of the contenders also revealed a tidbit about timing. That person says Obama's camp wants to know how to get in touch on Thursday afternoon.
But back to Biden. Besides his experience, he brings other things to the table.
He is from a modest Catholic background in Scranton, Pa. He represents Delaware, but has long been a figure in Eastern Pennsylvania — a key swing state.
And he is a voluble and combative character, even with his ready smile.
"Joe won't be afraid to get in McCain's face, which is what Obama needs," said one non-contender source.
Others have pointed out to Obama that this is why Biden would be hard to control as vice president.
But maybe Obama has decided to worry about that later.
Biden's personal story is compelling. He lost his first wife in an auto accident and is devoted to his second, Jill — a lifelong teacher.
Biden makes sense for another reason: his son Joseph "Beau" Biden III, the attorney general of Delaware, is a captain in the state's National Guard. He's deploying Iraq in September — and could prove to be an invaluable personal link to the situation on the ground.
Biden has largely escaped any hint of scandal, personal or political, in a long career, even though he was forced to withdraw from the Democratic race in 1988 amid charges of plagiarism.
Those charges now seem sadly trivial given all that's happened since.
Another name on Obama's short list is Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana.
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>But unlike Biden, Bayh is known for his mild demeanor. In addition to his lack of evident fire, Bayh has another handicap — ongoing questions about his wife's business dealings.
Also in the running is Virginia govenor Tom Kaine. But he may fall short because of his lack of foreign policy experience.
Also vetted were Sen. Hillary Clinton and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson.
And who is the dark, dark horse in this Veepstakes? I think it's former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle.
But the spotlight keeps moving back to Biden.
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With four decades in the Senate, he could be the perfect fit for Obama, the candidate who is often criticized for his relative lack of Washington experience.
Watch out for that silver tongue though — while his verbosity could prove powerful on the stump, it could be irritating everywhere else.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26288748/
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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - I've recently spoken with two of the finalists for the role of Barack Obama's running-mate, and to two other sources who are close to the process.
My bottom line is this: Barring a big surprise or last-minute change of heart, the choice is likely to be Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.
He is a lively and feisty if unpredictable campaigner with working-class roots and a street-level feel for the hot spots of the globe — which he can use to go toe-to-toe with Sen. John McCain.
"If I had to bet my life on it, I'd bet it is Joe," said one of the other contenders.
Said another, "Barack is moving toward a seasoned Beltway type, and that probably means Biden."
And a source personally close to Obama simply said "Biden makes the most sense."
One of the contenders also revealed a tidbit about timing. That person says Obama's camp wants to know how to get in touch on Thursday afternoon.
But back to Biden. Besides his experience, he brings other things to the table.
He is from a modest Catholic background in Scranton, Pa. He represents Delaware, but has long been a figure in Eastern Pennsylvania — a key swing state.
And he is a voluble and combative character, even with his ready smile.
"Joe won't be afraid to get in McCain's face, which is what Obama needs," said one non-contender source.
Others have pointed out to Obama that this is why Biden would be hard to control as vice president.
But maybe Obama has decided to worry about that later.
Biden's personal story is compelling. He lost his first wife in an auto accident and is devoted to his second, Jill — a lifelong teacher.
Biden makes sense for another reason: his son Joseph "Beau" Biden III, the attorney general of Delaware, is a captain in the state's National Guard. He's deploying Iraq in September — and could prove to be an invaluable personal link to the situation on the ground.
Biden has largely escaped any hint of scandal, personal or political, in a long career, even though he was forced to withdraw from the Democratic race in 1988 amid charges of plagiarism.
Those charges now seem sadly trivial given all that's happened since.
Another name on Obama's short list is Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana.
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Also in the running is Virginia govenor Tom Kaine. But he may fall short because of his lack of foreign policy experience.
Also vetted were Sen. Hillary Clinton and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson.
And who is the dark, dark horse in this Veepstakes? I think it's former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle.
But the spotlight keeps moving back to Biden.
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With four decades in the Senate, he could be the perfect fit for Obama, the candidate who is often criticized for his relative lack of Washington experience.
Watch out for that silver tongue though — while his verbosity could prove powerful on the stump, it could be irritating everywhere else.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26288748/
Whatever happened to the black uproar of Biden saying Obama is articulate???????????????:nohead:
This would be phuckin' hillarious....the replays on Hannity and Oreilly of the Black Outrage at Biden for saying Obama is " Articulate"
How dare Biden say Obama was articulate.:missingte
:cripwalk::smoking:
This would be phuckin' hillarious....the replays on Hannity and Oreilly of the Black Outrage at Biden for saying Obama is " Articulate"
How dare Biden say Obama was articulate.:missingte
:cripwalk::smoking:
Biden's a loose cannon waiting to go off at the least opportune moment. :thumbsup:
I can't believe Obama didn't pick Hillary.
But even more astonishing is that the Clintons will OWN Denver on multiple nights next week. Hillary will speak Tuesday and Bill on Wednesday. There will also be a roll call among the delegates and Americans will get to see just how close the race really is -- how potentially embarassing for the Obamas. What if Hillary wins? The Clintons are running the DNC this year. :lol:
If Obama doesn't have the backbone to stand up to a losing opponent in the primaries at home, how in the world is he going to materialize the testicular fortitude to stare down all the world's bullies abroad?
I can just picture Obama selling out an ally like Poland sometime in the future when Putin threatens to invade them. No problem, Vladimir, those American missiles will be out by next Thurs -- you have my word. My fellow Americans, getting along with our "friends and allies" and restoring America's good name means sometimes we have to make sacrifices and concessions. If only Bush hadn't been such a cowboy, none of this would have been necessary.
Imagine if this clown ever gets elected?
Obama-Biden 2008. Has to be one of the weakest, most pathetic tickets of all time. :missingte
OBAMA would sell out anyone, remember , he stabbed his own grandmother in the back. He does what is expedient, he rolls around in the mud with scumbags.
Joe Biden's "macaca" moment...
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Bidens son (who is AG) is getting deployed to Iraq. That would be quite the story for the campaign
and pasted below...reporters with too much time on their hands...i think the "gathering" could be as much about his brother getting deployed as the VP...but who knows
Biden Family Gathers in Delaware
In anticipation of Sen. Barack Obama's announcement of a running mate, NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports that one of Sen. Joe Biden's sons was flown in a private plane from Maine to the Senator's home in Delaware on Wednesday. Biden is "gathering the clan."
Another report said Biden has stopped talking to the media again.
Jonathan Alter thinks it's Biden "for some of the very reasons that were thought to disqualify Biden."
and pasted below...reporters with too much time on their hands...i think the "gathering" could be as much about his brother getting deployed as the VP...but who knows
Biden Family Gathers in Delaware
In anticipation of Sen. Barack Obama's announcement of a running mate, NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports that one of Sen. Joe Biden's sons was flown in a private plane from Maine to the Senator's home in Delaware on Wednesday. Biden is "gathering the clan."
Another report said Biden has stopped talking to the media again.
Jonathan Alter thinks it's Biden "for some of the very reasons that were thought to disqualify Biden."
first off, no vice president is going to determine the election. you guys are dumb if you believe that. the contest will be settled between mccain and obama. second, i have no idea if biden is a good or bad pick because i dont know him and his policies. 3rd, i dont think this has been confirmed so its just patriot making a guess.
Obama has to make a production out of everything! First the "Citizen of the World" crap in Germany. Now comes this text message stuff to his star-struck gullible supporters who in fact are dwindling in numbers, these poor souls probably have been anxious all day waiting and waiting by there cell phones. And finally another "Citizen of the World" bombastic flourish in front of a packed football stadium.
Everything a production with this guy. A lot more pure nonsense than substance
Everything a production with this guy. A lot more pure nonsense than substance
