It's hard to say goodbye to David Ortiz. Bumped up thread.

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When great ones go, it might hurt us more than it does them.

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In the academy award-winning classic Cocktail, Coughlin tells young Flanagan, "Everything ends badly, otherwise it wouldn't end." It's the single greatest yearbook quote ever. Hell, it may be the greatest movie quote ever. Either Coughlin was the Thoreau of bartending, or Thoreau the Coughlin of writing. One or the other.

We reached the "ending badly" point with David Ortiz five weeks ago. Remember in Superman II when Clark Kent gave up his superpowers so he could be with Lois Lane -- lesson No. 184 on how women ruin everything -- and then a bully beat the crap out of the suddenly mortal superhero in a diner? That's been Big Papi since Opening Day. What makes it stranger is that he still looks like Big Papi. Same bulky build. Same goofy beard. Same happy smile. Same batting stance. This isn't like the Ultimate Warrior returning after the then-WWF's first steroids scandal with a jarringly smaller physique. Everything looks the same with Ortiz, only Mario Mendoza has switched brains with him.


I've seen slumps. This was different. This was a collapse.

At first, we Sox fans thought we were just watching an early-season slump. Then three weeks passed and we started worrying. The guy couldn't hit the ball out of the infield. His bat was so slow he had to cheat on fastballs; even then, he couldn't catch up. One swing a night made him look like the drunkest batter in a beer league softball game. Look, I've seen slumps. This was different. This was the collapse of a career.

The steroid whispers started quickly. By late April, every conversation I had with a Sox fan seemed to include a "We need to mail Papi some HGH" joke. It was an easy leap for a couple of reasons: First, his power numbers leapt like Obama's Q rating from 2003 to 2007. Second, he's Dominican, and more than a few of his brethren -- Sammy Sosa, Miguel Tejada, Guillermo Mota -- have been in the center of PED controversies. Third, they sell steroids over the counter in the DR like they're Bubblicious. And fourth, baseball has reached a depressing point in which power hitters are presumed guilty until proven innocent.

When Manny Ramírez was suspended for trying to jump-start ovaries he didn't have, many Sox fans (including me) assumed we had our unhappy answer for Papi's demise. We braced for Ortiz to be linked to a bombshell headline that began with the words "Former Sox Clubhouse Attendant … " But one thing nagged at me: He wasn't belting bombs that were dying at the warning track like so many other former 'roiders. He just looked old. It reminded me of watching Jim Rice fall apart in the late '80s, when he lost bat speed overnight the way you and I lose a BlackBerry. That was painful too.

By mid-May, I was pondering another theory: Maybe Papi was older than he claimed. In Seth Mnookin's book Feeding the Monster, he recounts the story of how Boston nearly blew the chance to acquire Ortiz because they were concerned that he was much older than the media guide said. GM Theo Epstein asked Bill James to study Papi's numbers, and when James concluded the peaks and valleys were consistent with a man of Ortiz's stated age, they rolled the dice. The rest is history.

Well, what if James was wrong? How many Latin players have been exposed for lying about their ages in the past few years? Hell, one of Papi's best friends -- Tejada -- was found to have cut two years off his birth certificate when he was 17, er, 19 … you get the point. Watching Papi flounder now, I'd believe he's really 36 or 37 (not 33) before I'd believe PEDs are responsible. In a recent game in Minnesota, he couldn't catch up to an 89 mph fastball. Repeat: 89 mph!

That's what happens to beefy sluggers on their way out: Their knees go, they stiffen up, bat speed slows and, in the blink of an eye, they're done. Beefy sluggers are like porn stars, wrestlers, NBA centers and trophy wives: When it goes, it goes. You know right away.

So that's my theory. I think he's old(er). You may think something else. Whatever the case, it's clear that David Ortiz no longer excels at baseball. This has been banged home over and over again for two solid months. It's ruined the season for me thus far. The best way I can describe Fenway during any Papi at-bat is this: It's filled with 35,000 parents of the same worst kid in Little League who dread every pitch thrown in the kid's direction. There is constant fear and sadness and helplessness. Nobody knows what to do.


Beefy sluggers are like porn stars, nba centers and trophy wives.

It's been a sports experience unlike anything I can remember. Red Sox fans refuse to turn against Ortiz. They just can't. They owe him too much for 2004 and 2007. It's like turning on Santa Claus or happy hour. Every Ortiz appearance is greeted with supportive cheers, every Ortiz failure is greeted with awkward silence. The fans are suffering just like he is. Only when he left 12 men on base against Anaheim on May 14 did I receive a slew of angry e-mails from back home, but even those tirades centered more around Terry Francona's steadfast refusal to drop Ortiz in the order. I cannot remember another Boston athlete stinking this long, and this fragrantly, without getting dumped on.

Really, that's a tribute to what he means to his fans and how delightful it was to watch him play. His career might be over (notice I left the door open; I'm such a sap), but Ortiz has reached the highest level an athlete can reach: unequivocal devotion. Sox fans love him the same way you love an ailing family member. In the end, at his bleakest point, he's brought out the best of an entire fan base. He has inspired dignity and emotion and loyalty. The fans could have sped his demise (and saved a few games) by booing until Francona benched him. They didn't. How often does that happen?

We live in a world in which all entertainment is chewed up and spat out. We milk public figures like cows, and when they're out of milk, we tip them over and move on. Quickly. It's not just that we need to see everything "jump the shark" that bothers me. It's also that so many of us are gleeful about pointing out that something or someone we once loved has outlived his usefulness. The demise of Big Papi played out in an old-school way: real devotion, and in the end, people refusing to let go.

Including me. I still watch every Ortiz at-bat thinking, This is the one. When he belted his first bomb of the season, I clapped like everyone else and pumped my fist. Yes! He's back! The Fenway crowd cheered as if it were Game 7, demanded a curtain call and showered him with love. This was the single strangest sports moment I've ever seen: Fans going absolutely bonkers for something that once was a routine act. Turned out, it was Papi's only homer of the first eight weeks. So it really was a curtain call. By May's end, Francona had dropped him to sixth in the order. Barring a miraculous return of bat speed, he'll be benched or released soon. It'll hurt, and I'm going to feel bad. I already do. Coughlin was right.


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I tend to agree that he is older than we think. Great career, sad to see him struggle like this.
 

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Steroids testing really hurt a lot of players.
 

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Whether he is older than stated or not, whether he is a drug user or not, his collapse does not really support that. The burly sluggler falls apart quick. Right before 2008 season someone told me Ortiz would follow the same path as Mo Vaughan: Simply too much bulk to recover properly from a lower body injury

Looking through baseballreference, a few of the first names that came to my head as having that body type fell apart real quick right around the listed age for Ortiz. Boog Powell was only a few months older when he stopped producing, Greg Luzinski went from recieving MVP votes to unable to hit at just one year older. Cecil Fielder and Greg Luzinski lasted a little longer

Also, it is odd people bring up the drug issue. Giambi has been passing drug tests as long as Ortiz, so has Sheffield, both of whom used early in their career and then kept hitting years past age 32. If he was using drugs in 2003 and stopped (or if he was cheating the tests in 2004 and later and then stopped) good for him for quitting his drug abuse and getting his life back together, but the evidence is that early career drug use may actually help hitting even after quitting
 

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Bonds was passing drug tests with ease as well. If Manny was using then I really believe Ortiz was as well. All the players in the last 20 years or so are going to have to deal with it. The players of today are tainted.
 

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Good call on Mo Vaughn. Another who dropped off the cliff was George Scott.
 

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This is exactly what he was like when he played for Minnesota, which seems like just yesterday.

Guy hit a hot streak for a few years, a product of his team and environment. Nothing more.
 

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Bonds was passing drug tests with ease as well

Of course Bonds' drop in OPS from 2004 to 2006 was nearly as great as Ortiz from 2007 to 2009

While we know with a pretty strong degree of certainty when he started taking them, we don't know when he stopped. And it may have been while he was still playing
 

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This is exactly what he was like when he played for Minnesota, which seems like just yesterday.

Guy hit a hot streak for a few years, a product of his team and environment. Nothing more.

Guy hit a hot streak for a few years? What does that mean?

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The guy was very, very productive for 6 straight years. I don't think you do that by being on a hot streak or hitting in a good "environment."
 

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Ortiz: Career success due to steroids.

I mean, really, how many hispanic power hitters were there before the steroids era?
 

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Come on fellas

Just because a guy hits a down streak doesn't for sure mean he's done.

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Guy hit a hot streak for a few years? What does that mean?

Lifetime 286 hitter with 290 homeruns.
5x All Star
Led AL in HR's in 2006
Led AL in RBI's in 2005 and 2006
AL American League Championship Series MVP in 2004
19 Walk off or game winning hits from 2003-2007

The guy was very, very productive for 6 straight years. I don't think you do that by being on a hot streak or hitting in a good "environment."


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u think I give a shit about those stats?

I've formed my opinion. I'm cool with it. later
 

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3rd game of 2010 has already come to this:

WEEI » Full Count » Vote: Should the Sox have pinch-hit for Ortiz?
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 15px">Vote: Should the Sox have pinch-hit for Ortiz?</TD><TD style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-ALIGN: right">04.07.10 at 2:01 am ET</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


The Red Sox trailed entering the bottom of the eighth inning, 5-4. Kevin Youkilis led off the inning with a double, bringing David Ortiz to the plate with a runner on second and no outs. Yankees manager Joe Girardi summoned left-hander Damaso Marte from the bullpen to face Ortiz.
Entering Tuesday, Ortiz was 2-for-14 (.143) with a homer and three walks against Marte. He is hitless in his last nine at-bats against Marte, but did work a walk against him in Sunday’s game.
Mike Lowell was available as a pinch-hitter. Though 0-for-1 in his career against Marte, Lowell hit .301 with an .867 OPS against lefties in 2009. Ortiz, meanwhile, hit .212 with a .716 OPS against southpaws.
Manager Terry Francona elected to stick with Ortiz, who flied to shallow center and failed to advance Youkilis. After the game, Francona said that it was too early in the season to consider pinch-hitting for Ortiz.
“With two games into the season, I don’t think we need to start [pinch-hitting], not because I don’t think [Lowell] couldn’t do it, but just because I think the big picture needs to be remembered,” said Francona.
Do you agree?
Should the Red Sox have pinch-hit for David Ortiz on Tuesday?
  • Yes -- Lowell should have been up against Marte <SMALL>(80.0%)</SMALL>
  • No -- Ortiz should have batted against Marte <SMALL>(20.0%)</SMALL>
 

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"Everything ends badly, otherwise it wouldn't end."
Yeah no crap. I think this describes every relationship with a chic I have ever had, and every post up that didn't go so well.
 

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